Neptune oppositions in composite

[greeneyedgirl]

I am so glad that I found this forum! Never, on one site, have I found so much information, as well as a willingness by others to participate and share their knowledge. It is amazing! Thanks for allowing me to be a part.

I have been dating a virgo male for 3 years. It has been quite a stimulating relationship, to say the least. I am a pisces, and have always found myself attracted to virgos because of their efficiency, order, and ability to compartmentalize things; qualities that I lack.

Recently, I had a chance to do our composite chart. I realize that this is a separate entity from the synastry, but found it quite interesting, nonetheless. In this composite, we share an 8th house sun, moon, and mercury in Gemini with a very nasty opposition to neptune in the 2nd. The 8th house placements suit us nicely. Through this relationship, we have found an intensity, an emotionalism, and qualities of transformation that separate we have been unable to find. The source of this transformation has been through communication, exploration, and the shared affinity for learning. (we both have 9th house jupiters). But through my research, I found neptune oppositions, especially to personal planets, do not get a very good rap. It adds disillusionment, vagueness, and murkiness. But does it also add a sense of enchantment or a sense of merging? Savior/victim overtones have been what I have read about this placement, but that does not seem to exist. Communication seems to be the key. Is this placement as bad as I think it is?

Thanks for any input.

Greeneyedgirl

[greeneyedgirl]

Thank you very much for taking the time to reply!

I do indeed feel that he and I have a very spiritual union. When I describe my meeting him for the first time, I say it was as if I was standing naked in front of him. He really saw me with more than his eyes. The initial spark was so intense that I constantly questioned it, pinching myself in a way, to make sure that what I was experiencing was real. I still do that on occasions.

As far as the vertex goes, my merc is conj, venus and saturn trine his vertex. His moon and venus are semisquare, merc square, saturn sextile, and neptune opposite my vertex. My vertex also trines his NN. Speaking of NN, my north node and saturn are conj his sun in virgo. I definately believe we came into each other's life for a purpose.

I do definately enjoy the hazy qualities of neptune. I am a pisces with a 5th house sun conj mars, SN, and a host of other asteroids. I idealize love very much! It inspires creativity and activates a very childlike quality in me. He has a 12th house virgo sun (very nice for my pisces sun) conj merc trine an 8th house taurus moon, with pluto and NN losely conj his libra asc. He definately has very heavily emphasized water houses in his chart. But what I don't want to occur is for both of us to wear our rose-colored glasses, idealize things so much that the fall from our pedistals is too steep to recover. I definately have a tendency to wear my rose-colored glasses with pride. They make everything so beautiful.

The strange thing, though, in synastry the primary houses that our personal planets activate are the 6th and the 10th houses. My sun in his 6th, moon in his 10th and his sun in my 10th, moon in my 6th. I've read that 6th house synastry is primarily employer/employee relationships, not exactly conductive of a romantic relationship, but maybe this is where the healing capacity comes in? We did meet on the job and our careers have been a major point of focus for us both.

Anyway, I will continue on with my research...trying to figure this one out. Thanks very much for your input, though. It was definately appreciated.

[AquarianEssence]

I think a 6th house emphasis fits Virgo Pisces well. Also, a couple needs to be able to work together in many different ways. Idealism is a 12th house issue with 6th opposite to teach how to balance ideals with the reality that not too many of us are perfect.

I have Neputne touching my descendant several times currently. I've already had a good dose of reality where my husband is concerned so I don't worry about dissillusionment. In fact, rather than seeing him get spacy or dreamy with this transit, he's started the mose intensly physical job with grueling hours and is doing amazinly, Saturn-like, well. Strange since he has Mercury in Pisces, Gemini on 10th Aquarius on the 6th, Saturn in Aries in the 7th...... It's even a Saturn job, concrete bridges. Neptune may be the bridge.

[greeneyedgirl]

I absolutely love the virgo/pisces axis. I guess I am a bit partial though with pisces sun and virgo NN conj saturn. It seems there are many lessons for me to learn through this polarity.

I'm glad that your husband is doing so well. It's encouraging to know that all neptune transits or contacts aren't bad. It seems, in your case, neptune has added a very nice harmonizing factor.

Neptune very well be that bridge, the balance between reality and fantasy, that is necessary for both parties to feel lost within something sacred, but "found" enough to feel secure.

Good luck to you! Thanks so much for responding.

GEG

[Kim Falconer]

Hello Greeneyedgirl,

Welcome to the forum!

Thanks for your question. You bring up a vital point!

I’m prompted to make something clear straight up, which other members have heard me say before no doubt.

The symbol system of astrology doesn't translate well when using value biased language.

What I mean is, if you use words like 'good', bad', 'nasty' etc, you will miss the deeper, richer meaning of the symbolism, every time.

Neptune oppositions are not ‘bad’.

Neptune oppositions are not ‘good’.

They are energy of a particular kind that can express in many different ways, depending on who, or whom! is doing the expressing.

So please, everyone, drop the value judgements in your descriptive language so you can learn more about what these energies really are. How can you see Neptune as a creative force when you limit it with words like 'bad' or ‘difficult.’ You will experience things the way you label them!

Now Greeneyedgirl! You've copped a bit of a blast here and I hope you can appreciate the emphatic feeling I have when it comes to labelling astrological configurations as 'good' or 'bad'. We use our language in the way we are taught it, and that is often saturated in biases (gender and value judgments)...but we rarely have the opportunity to lean a different way of communicating...

Astrology can teach this to us all, because it makes NO judgements and has no biases... if we are going to interpret astrology, we are wise to train ourselves out of the habit of perpetuating judgement!

So, you know now that I don't see a composite Neptune opposite Sun as Nasty.

What is it then?

If we look at the composite sun as being a symbol for the 'purpose' of the relationship, we can say that its link to Neptune ADDS something to that purpose.

What?

It adds a longing for reunion with the divine.

Neptune is where we seek the ineffable and linked to the composite sun it suggests that part of the purpose of the relationship is to reach out for the sacred, the divine.

This can live out in many ways, depending on the two people linked by this composite. You might share an artistic longing that translates into working together in the arts, film, music or theatre. Here the magic of creativity can bring you closer to the divine.

You might work with others who are less fortunate or have ‘no voice’…animals, children, those with disabilities. Together, the relationship touches people in such a way that you would not as individuals.

You might be linked by your faith, be that traditional, occult, or other…you might be linked by a projection of the divine from the collective as in ‘famous couples’ (Charles and Di had a strong Neptune in their composite) You might work ‘behind the veil’ through occult magic or meditation.

The expression of this placement can also ‘degrade’ or ‘fall’ if there are different kinds of ‘outlets’. Not everyone has the chance to explore the creative arts together, or be in the helping professions or the Peace Corps. Some might find themselves in glitzy, glamorous occupations that also carry deception…

Plato said that everything that enchants also deceives and this is how Neptune can play out if it isn’t ‘doing the work’…then we get all the connotations of drug dealing, addiction and obsession…not because Neptune is bad or nasty but because Neptune sets us LONGING for the divine and we will seek it according to our own nature.

Dose this make sense?

Warmly,
Kim

[greeneyedgirl]

I apologize. I completely understand your rationalization behind using certain words; good, bad, nasty, etc. It is the same generalization that applies to sun-sign based astrology, Libras and Aries should never date! So, for future reference and as a regard and respect for astrology, I will refrain from using those terms and view it more on a symbolic meaning instead of "storybook generalization". I did not mean to light a fuse! It is definately obvious that you have a passion and a gift, and I appreciate your words of encouragement. I am here to learn after all. Why limit what I learn?

Wow...your explanation certainly makes more sense to me. I cannot describe the effect that this relationship has had on either of us in terms of "words", but do know that there is something divine about our pairing. It is subtle, yet palpable; a feeling of belonging, yet searching for more, within ourselves, within our periphery. We both feel that there is a definite purpose to our relationship. What that purpose is has yet to be discovered, but we have a great time exploring and reaping the benefits of our union.

Thanks again for your kind words!

[Kim Falconer]

Greeneyedgirl,

No need to apologize! All of us are saturated with biased language, be it gender, racial academic or astrological. I only ask that we support each other in lifting our consciousness to a non-judgment based perspective, choosing our words to reflect our beliefs as opposed to cultural biases.

Light a fuse whenever you like!

I'm glad the links with longing for the sacred and divine in Neptune made sense. It may feel sometimes like your relationship is 'called' by the gods, and all you can do is follow.

Does anyone else have a Neptune-Sun aspect in a composite chart? Can you comment?

Warmly,
Kim

[vedamurti]

Geeneyedgirl,


I have a Neptune Sun open conjunction (5 degrees) in the composite with a person that has been my companion for the last 24 years.
When we first met, I could use many of the terms that you use to describe how we felt towards each other. It was a strong feeling of "I know you for a long time" mixed with a lot of other emotions.
We have a lot of other aspects both in composite and in sinastry that also help to this, like double Jupiter-Moon nearly exact contacts in the natal and in the composite, both Eros in Scorpio (mine in 5th, hers in 8th), etc.

I don't know how much of our relation is Neptune (she is Virgo asc Pisces, I'm Sag asc Cancer), but I don't think it is that important. One thing is certain: we both felt at the time our meeting was more than chance and that it could have a "purpose" (btw, Uranus conjuncted my Vertex/Mercury conjunction when I met her). To make things short, it turns out that along the years we have been growing together, completely redefining our lives, our meanings, our "goals", in short, what we are. The bottom line, as we see it nowadays, is we are two people who help and support each other along the way that our existences are living. So, any Neptunian idealistic dreamy part that might have been in the past between us, specially in the first two or three years, has completely evolved into something else. We have changed so much since we first met that we can hardly think of who we were 24 years ago. The fact is we have helped and supported each other's change and "growth" and we continue to do so. (I think our exact sextile Juno may also have something to do with this).

I totally agree with what Kim said about the ways Neptune can express itself. In our case, I'd say that the longing for the divine is simply the adventure of exploring our own beings (but I take it more as a Sag adventure to enjoy, not as a Neptune longing).
I can also add that we do not have much earthly common interests, in terms of professions (she is in the natural therapies field, I am a computer person), but we have common interests in many other levels. We can communicate very well, both verbally, emotionally and intuitively.

What do I want to say with all this? Simply that people change along the years, and that respecting, supporting and enjoying this change has been our way towards each other.

Enjoy your life

Vedamurti

[greeneyedgirl]

Vedamurti--

That was one of the most beautifully written descriptions I have ever read. It gave me goose bumps as I read it. It sounds like you two have found something in each other that definately allows mutual growth, encourages adoration, and a search for the "divine" within each of your spirits separately, together. Tis a beautiful union. It gives me much hope and fills me with excitement of what is yet to come.

Like you, he and I do not share many wordly interests, as well. It seems that he and I have led lives at opposite ends of the spectrum; his life one of complete freedom, in which he has experienced many different things....drugs, hitting rock bottom, and finding his way back up. Whereas I, on the other hand, have toed the line. I was expected by my parents to strive for perfection, lived a very sheltered life, and always tried to keep my balance on the pedestal my parents had placed me on. Freedom was not a luxury I experienced. The one thing that I felt right away with him, besides the intense passion and feeling of "just knowing", was the fact that I knew I could be myself with him and I know he feels at ease, as well. He told me the other day that it's amazing how I just accept him as he is. There are no stipulations or confinements. It is his imperfections that make him perfect in my eyes. (Definately a pisces/neptune statement...rose-colored glasses are always on!)

I have found wings and roots at the same time. He and I share so many adventures, both on a physical and mental plane. It's an amazing union that I do not think is by accident.

As for my transits at the time of our actual first interaction; the Sun, Pluto, and Juno were sitting right on top of my neptune in the 2nd house, which is opposite my vertex and PF in the 8th house.

We both have very similar themes in our charts, as well. He is a 12th house sun virgo conj merc. I have a 5th house sun in pisces. Our venus' are opposite. His in 11th house Leo (my sun in 5th house/leo house), mine in 3rd house aqua. He has a 8th house taurus moon, along with pluto conj his Libra ascendent. I have a 12th house Libra pluto with scorp rising. We both have very prominent jupiters--he has mars conj jupiter in the 9th (cancer) and I have jupiter conj moon in cancer. It just seems that both neptune and jupiter have played very major roles in our relationship, as well as our level of relating. He is expansive, and I love that. We both have this incredible need for knowledge, to take in as much as we can. We discuss it often, nothing is left untouched. For me, relationships infused with great communication is something I definately enjoy (3rd house venus in aqua exactly sextile merc in the 6th).

I hope I didn't bore you with this rambling. It's not very often that I come across others who have experieced this sort of situation and are willing to discuss it. Sometimes, things end in ways that leave a bitter taste. Relating in such an intense manner scares some people, I believe; but for me, it is a warm welcome. As far as our end goes, it is something that I will deal with if and when the time comes. But as I have told him, in many letters, I will not consider our end as a casualty of time's wager against me....she was generous enough to bless me with a fragment.

I'd love to discuss this further with you, if you are willing. Sounds like a lovely union. Thank you for taking the time to share with me. Your description was very eloquently written and infused with sincerity and emotion that I understand.

greeneyedgirl

Everyone here is so wonderful!!

[vedamurti]

Greeneyedgirl,

I didn't answer you sooner because I have a relatively busy life, so I don't always have time or possibility to be on the net.
You are welcome to discuss further whatever you like, i just can't promise any quick reply.

I'm glad you liked my post. I wrote it primarely to give an example of a Neptune composite that is not problematic. Also, i felt the description you gave of your meeting and your feelings had something to do with my own, so i decided to bring in my own experience.

I'd like now to add a few points to what I said. I mentioned my relation has been going on for over two decades. I'm afraid you may see this statement as a kind of "declaration of success" and induce you in dreaming in "achieving" also some long lasting relation.
First, a relation is not worth for the number of years it lasts. It is not a number-of-years contest. It is worth for the quality of every moment. Second, things change with time, and so do we. We have lived through many phases, and we didn't avoid the bad ones in order to keep only the good ones. We have lived both. The relation reflects who we are, and we are now very much different people. Neither of us expects the other to be a freezing image of what we have known in the past.
I remember an intense night, many years ago, when for a moment I looked to her face and saw myself. I saw she was me. Whatever I saw in her was my own projection. And her reality was behind it. And I saw all this very cleary. This made me realize the kind of expectations and fantasies we can put on the other, and made me aware of that type of interaction that can sometimes exist in unconscious ways.

We have allowed ourselves to change and evolve. Neither of us is afraid to explore. Today, our relation (I don't like the word, but
i don't have another) doesn't classify as "love", as "passion" or any other heavy word. I think the best description is that we are
like two plants growing nearby each other who observe and encourage each other's growth, share our flowr's perfume and enjoy each other's fragance and energy. But we are not interlaced, we are not embracing and suffocating each other, we are not trying to use the other as an excuse for anything. We don't depend on each other. We are two individuals, and we respect that very much.

In astral terms, we both have natal Sun Uranus exact aspects (mine trine and hers sextile), besides sinastry trine ascendants and square midheavens. My Venus is conjunct her MH and my MH is conjunct her ASC. I think that respecting and allowing each other's individuality to be has been very fundamental for us along the years, as well as accepting and welcoming changes and evolutions... It's diffucult to explain.

So, enjoy fully your relation, live and delight in it, and allow things to flow as they come and evolve. I believe you understand what I mean.


Vedamurti

[greeneyedgirl]

Vedamurti~

Sorry it has taken me so long to reply to your post. I started a new job this week and have been extremely exhausted. Typically I am a night owl, but this week I have been in bed by 9 p.m. Quite a drastic change for me.

First, let me start by saying that I did not believe that you were blaring a "declaration of success" of sorts. I know that relationships, of any kind, are hard work; and even though things may seem rosy, work is still necessary to keep things alive and fruitful.

Independece is a valuable component of any relationship. It is something I value immensely. Both creative and personal expression are vital to my happiness. It is something that we both highly value. The ties between he and I are deep, but the rope is long. We encourage each other to be an individual and grow, while still maintaining a deep relationship. It's odd how that happens. But as you have said, it comes down to respect. Suffocation or dependency may have been present in the beginning, as it was both so new to both of us. We wanted so desperately to find answers as to why and how. But after spending time together and apart, we have found that things just fit. No questions. No worries. We just ARE. And that's great. It is a rarity to find such comfort in another person, who encourages growth, while maintaining an aire of individuality and not becoming totally consumed.

Your words I do understand and the things that you have explained are definately well received. The component of individuality definately rings true, but there is definately a neptunian component that filters into our relationship. I believe it adds much magic.

Thank you for taking the time to post and to share your unique experience. I wish you many of the same things. Things have a way of happening which we cannot explain. I will not be discouraged and will continue to search for answers. But where he is concerned, I just accept, revel, and enjoy! Good luck to you and thank you very much for sharing!

Greeneyedgirl

[Aphrodite]

Every few months I read this thread. It is informative and inspiring. Ironically, it helps me "focus"! My Pisces Moon REALLY appreciates that.

Thank you, everyone, for sharing.