Venus square Saturn in the composite

[neptunewoman]

Was exploring the meaning of Venus square Saturn in the composite...somehow this seems like a negative aspect...love that won't be fulfilled or maybe love that can't happen for reasons that have nothing to do with the parties involved. Does anyone have this aspect in synastry or the composite and what is your experience?

[kukuschka]

Hi NeptuneWoman,

in the composite with my boyfriend there is Saturn squaring the Venus/Sun.

What was very obvious was coming together was kind of hard work, over the period of half a year. We were both over-careful, over-polite, and over-reserved, somehow almost formal. Each of us alone is a bit of all that, but never to that extent.

Even when we were finally in relationship, it took us about 3-4 months to really handle each other easy and casually! But it was worth going through this ;D It didn't feel negative though, more like a bit of acting around each other instead of with each other.

But: we also have some Saturn emphasis in synastry. Though I would say that the Saturn in composite can be distinguished, because it was the relationship that was hard to built, not our relation to each other. It was always obvious that we like each other, but somehow it was hard to put this to reality.

kukuschka

[Juliet]

One of my best friends has the Venus-Saturn opposition in the composite with her husband of 13 years. He is 9 years younger then she is. They are very happy, still very passionate. I know it took a while for the relationship to be a relationship though, as Kukuschka mentioned... I know my friend once told me that she was laying next to him, talking with her back towards him, and she thought: 'I know I will be lost if I turn around now.' In the end, she did. She tried to escape some more by bringing her ex-bf over to where she lived, and flirting with him, but her now husband got angry and told her very calmy he would not accept any such disrespectful behaviour from her.

There's an inconjunct from Saturn to the relation's NN in the chart too... And the famous Sun Venus conjunction.

Juliet

[neptunewoman]

Jade, Kukuschka and Juliet, thanks for your responses. So difficulty is involved but the relationship could be long standing once it is established.

The person that I have this aspect with in the composite is a friend that I have know for a year and a half. Our meeting was definitely a destiny thing...(His North Node/Vertex on my Ascendant). I have been married for almost 20 years...he is getting married in 9 days. We have not crossed any lines with one another and we are very careful how we handle one another(Venus square Saturn) but there is something so sweet and magical about this relationship(Moon square Venus and Venus conjunct Neptune). And there is a lot of chemistry(Mars conjunct Jupiter). I think another thing that is significant in the composite is the 2 t-squares. The moon being the apex of one involving Venus/Neptune and Mars/Jupiter. Saturn being the apex of the other also involving Venus and Mars/Jupiter. Saturn is in the 1st house and has an opposition to Pluto and Uranus; square to Venus, Mars, and Jupiter; and a sextile to the Sun.

I did not mean to go on and on about this...I want him to be happy and if marrying will make him happy I wish him the best. It is just that he keeps telling me he chooses to love her but he is not in love with her. Go figure!

[Kim Falconer]

Neptunewoman,

You are probably realizing that Venus/Saturn contacts in Synastry are surprisingly common and certainly not necessarily an indication of 'it can't happen', or 'love unfulfilled' in the Synastry.

In the composite, Venus/Saturn or Saturn/Asc tend to be more literal (as all composite positions are) and you can see more 'love held back' there, but again, not always.

It's such a binding tie.

Evangeline Adams said Venus/Saturn in synastry is the sign of eternal friendship, and I believe here.

I had (still have) Venus square Saturn with my son's father. We were together for 3 wonderful years, followed by 6 destructive years. That was 18 years ago and if I strip away all the 'personality' and 3 dimensionally 'stuff' and feel 'spirit to spirit' I would say nothing is diminished between us...though I have no desire to cross paths...

It's a mysterious contacts, Venus/Saturn, because it is often 'bitter sweet'. I think it works out best if there is something very obvious about how it lives out (like one person is much older than the other) or one a teacher...that seems to help carry the dynamic somewhat.

Liz Greene has written extensively on this in "Saturn: a New Look at an Old Devil". Highly recommended.

Kim

[neptunewoman]

My Lovely One Kim, thanks for your response...you have a way of putting everything in perspective. I do believe our relationship is binding in every since of the word.

[lubenica]

Hello,

I've read somewhere that, to be considered "Saturnian age difference", one person needs to be from 7 years up older than the other. So, any age difference that is over 7 years (or 7 and a half, I think), is considered Saturnian. I don't know if this is true, but this is what I've read...

[Kim Falconer]

hmmmmmmmm, I've not come across that definition before. Interesting, because it's a Uranus sign apart or more...

I would be flexible on this because some people can really seem quite divergent in age, like if one is strong Capricorn and one strong Gemini/Aries, they can seem 'ages' apart in only a few years...and then, a couple say 10 years apart that are both very fiery can seem like 'no difference at all'...

A 3 year gap when you are 16 can be massive, where the same gap at 40 is nothing...

What do other's think? What constitutes an 'age difference'?

Kim

[primamateria]

I've heard of this 'seven and a half' which comes from Vedic astrology... seven and a half years elapse between a Saturn return and a Saturn square, apparently, so Saturn is said to give a 'Seven and a half' year cycle of Lessons.

Hey, last year my SR chart had a Saturn aspect to the Nodes and Venus and I kept getting older men fall in love with me... in this case they were 28 years, or more, older than me!!

joy~ pm

ps. I have Saturn conjunct Venus in synastry with someone who I'm not in a relationship with but I still keep hearing from him, and I wonder if we might end up being friends

[lubenica]

Hi all,

Yes, but I only meant "astrological age difference", not in real life.
Of course, in real life, age doesn't matter at all. I have no Saturn aspects with my personal planets, just sextile with Pluto and Uranus, and I was never Saturnian in my life, actually, I find heavy responsibility really opressive, and very Saturnian people, they feel "heavy" for me, because I just am so not Saturnian! But I admire their focus and discipline, oh how I lack these two things!!!
It is just that I was told once, that because I had Saturn as the ruler of my seventh house, that I am likely to end up with someone older as a marriage partner. When I asked what it meant "older", she told me that this person may be seven and a half or more years older than myself. Or, that he would be seriuos, hard working, ambitious and loyal....
I am now on my second marriage, and even though both my husbands are very close in age to me (the first was the same age), both of them are way more responsible than me, ambitious, driven, committed. The first was Aquarius, the present is Libra.
So, Saturn in this case manifested more in their personal characteristics, than in age. Actually, I prefer this manifestation of Saturn, than someone older who is not all of these things
Cheers everyone!