Mercury Rx square Eros

[Kim Falconer]

Hello Everyone,

Mercury travels in retrograde motion from November 30 to December 20, 2004 in the sign of Sagittarius. Eros and Mercury will make a square aspect at 15 degrees of Sagittarius on December 13th.

Check out your natal charts to see what area-house, planet or point-is being activated at this degree.

There is info on this event in the new Eros Guide-
www.nrg.com.au/~d-falcon/Guide.htm

Post questions and comments here!

Warmly,
Kim

[svenskasfinx]

Hej LunarScorp!

That happens; love will strike you when you least expect it and one can actually fall in love more accurately when on line, that is if both people are honest. I as you probably know can totally relate!

I met my husband who came to visit me after about 300 letters and no chat but a few telephone calls. It made everyone's head spin, and when he came to visit me, all that attraction that I felt for him in letters and his funny web site, and a his tastes in things would have never been noticed by taking a look and seeing this rather good looking shy man. In fact, we know sometimes that just the whole person thing gets lost by our biology stumbling and stuttering from the nerves of wondering HOW on earth coult this person be actually speaking to me..

But this is why I for the most part am idealistic concerning on line romance, and friendships.

It for me takes away the distractions of the body, and lets the minds meet up on level playing ground; so I don't have to worry about which dress I'm going to wear or appearing stupid, although I seem quite bad at spelling, I don't have to worry about suddenly being too chatty or silent either.

Eventually, you will speak to him, if you haven't already!
I hope it's not a disaster!

Hope that what ever it is, it works for you!

Nice to see you back,

svenskasfinx

[Kim Falconer]

Hello Lunarscorp!

What an interesting (and unfortunate for Mum) reflection of Mercury Rx. Ouch! And isn’t it also interesting that the inconvenience for both of you has led to this new connection.

I will admit I am not completely unfamiliar with such things.

And it is fascinating how the energy of two people can connect without being in the same space, only the same time.

I find the synastry and composites do “work” for people who have not met physically and attractions can be very intense. I have always on-line chatting (in real time) can help develop telepath as well. Fascinating!

Clearly much is waking up for both of you. I wonder what will happen when Mercury turns around and crosses back over the 13-15 degrees of Sag in direct motion (square to his Eros & square to your Mars/Node)

Be sure to let us know.

Very good to see you again!
Kim

[Kim Falconer]

So that Mercury direct to his Eros and your Mars/Node did signify “re-contact”.

I think with such strong dynamics, you will have many mixed responses and emotions to this connection, especially with the Saturn Moon. You do need space and independence yet Saturn Moon can feel extreme loneliness and isolation at times too. It’s a difficult activation…yet also stimulating and intriguing.

That you dreamed of meeting him a year before suggests it is also very important.

Kim

[Kim Falconer]

That was a brilliant explanation of how Saturn/Moon can work and how you might learn from the experience of it! Well said!

Now, apply the same thinking to Venus. The opposition makes it polarise a bit more (one person gets more Venus, the other more Saturn…)

Just think of what Venus wants, needs and has to offer. Do the same for Saturn then tell me how you can see this dynamic working in both positive ways and “unconscious”ways.

Robert Hand is a very good astrologer though when he negates the potential of Venus/Saturn to form creative relationship, it’s like saying, “if you have a Venus-Saturn opposition in your natal chart, it’s best not to be alive!” Well, he would never say that, would he!!!!

Kim

[Kim Falconer]

Your example of what Venus wants vs what Saturn wants is excellent—really spot on. That is just the kind of thinking that will lead you to the most creative interpretations, every time! Well done.

And you raise an important point—the comparison of how Venus/Saturn works in the natal charts, the synastry and then in the composite. You have to keep in mind what each chart represents.

1. Natal charts are about the individual’s expression, their psyche. It shows what is conscious and what is unconscious (though material that is unconscious may be projected onto another and seen through them)

2. Synastry comparisons look at how two people “effect” each other (people as permanent transits)

3. Composite charts are an entity of their own, the life of the relationship. They describe what “comes into being” when you relate.

So, to nut out that Venus/Saturn opposition in the composite you have to think of these planets in terms of how the relationship expresses. What houses are involved? What areas of life activate the opposition? WHERE do they want to express?

So comp Saturn is in Gemini and Comp Venus in Sag? Yes? (just straighten me out if I ever get these things muddled).

Saturn is binding and does tend to make things “last” if they can handle it. It also marks a place of “insecurity” and feeling of “deprivation” that needs work. It needs slow, solid, honest hard work to build up confidence and a strong base in the area it is found. In the composite, it describes where that “lack” is in the relationship. Opposite Venus does say something about how much the relationship itself can “relate”, value and appreciate. It may bind the love, yet the love may need a lot of hard work, effort and endeavour to “happen”. This could simply be represented by the distance, as you say!

If comp Saturn is in Gemini, the feeling is “lack” of ability to communicate (just think how challenging this would have been 50 years ago, before internet…or earlier, before international flights! Hard work is needed to compensate for the lack of “proximity communication”.

Neither you or he are at “fault” here. It is simply the nature of the relationship as portrayed by the composite chart. Even if you were together in time and space, as you said, he’s married to his job. How much communication would there be? The same effort that it takes now to coordinate online synchronicity would apply. You’d have to schedule appointments with each other!

Just remember that every composite relationship has Saturn somewhere. Hard work is required somewhere. That yours is linked to the “love and values” of the relationship says that extra effort would be required.

Hand says of this aspect “There is a significant barrier to the expression of feelings between you….maybe you just don’t like each other…a relationship of this kind is most successful if the two of you do not want to be terribly close…”

Okay, in all fairness, I am picking out the harshest quotes. The point I am making is just the opposite to Hand. He says, don’t try to make it anything it can’t be.

I say, Yes, there may be some kind of barrier because the relationship feels deprived and lacking. But what does Saturn want? He wants his (I do it too) lead turned into gold! He wants the reward of achieving the goal hard won. I get the feeling that Saturn opposite Venus in a composite DOES want to be very very close. It just says it may take a lot of hard work, adjustment and inner goals.

The way the composite unfolds has a lot to do with how each of you individually cope with Saturn/Venus. That you both have the trine aspect suggests you have ways and means of expressing this combination of energy in creative ways. At least it is not unfamiliar territory!

What do you think?

Warmly,
Kim

[Kim Falconer]

Hi ScorpyMoon,

Thanks for all the comments and insights into these aspects in composite.

It’s very important, what you said about many interpretations sounding like synastry, “as though it's a case of one person acting out one planet of the aspect and the other person the other like a synastry interpretation.”<br>
Your interpretation is much more in line with my approach to the composite a s a chart of the relationship. You said, “To my brain it seems more logical (by the way the chart is constructed) that the aspects in the composite manifest more like a general "vibe" produced by the couple.”<br>
This does make sense.

I know about having my natal Saturn on a composite Ascendant though…you become so sensitive and vulnerable to the whole thing! And the mutual "ness" of your moon/sun cross over...no, not combinations that are going to "give away the farm!"

More on all this soon!

(And thank you for bringing up Arroyo. He’s very good…very immediate and practical. I love his anecdotes!

Warmly,
Kim (Stargazer)

[Kim Falconer]

“Don’t give away the farm” is an expression from the States. It usually has a bit of a sexual connotation (don’t give “it” up too soon) but also applies to any premature or overly enthusiastic benevolence that leaves “them” with (perhaps) more than they ought to have at the time…more than they have earned.

It always makes me smile…

Yes, the synastry with Hand is interesting. Like I’ve said, he’s a fantastic astrologer—though some of his delineations are defeatist…like there is no other way to express but what he suggests.

I have come to the conclusion that there are myriad ways a symbol can live out in ones life (and that is what we are talking about here—symbols coming to life in our own experiences). Astrology is meant to show us those possibilities, not trap us in some kind of fatality.

Kim

[sielou]

So that is why this relationship always seams more important to me than to this man I have this extraordinary composite with (he> 4 jul 1977 at 1400 in Visby)!

(By the way my dwad sun conjuncts his zodiac sun, and my dwad moon is not that far from his zodiac moon. Maybe another reason he is so important to me. His late dwad sun in scorpio conjuncts my dwad mars in late scorpio + early venus in sag, and his dwad pluto conjuncts my zodiac sun).

Conclusion> I have my venus at the end of capricorn conjuncting our composite ascendant in the beginning of aquarius ! And you know that composite saturn opposing my venus... Sad... His zodiac sun is in can12 not that far from our composite saturn at can22.

If anyone else has any thoughts on this
You are most welcome !

[sielou]

...
And his and my natal Uranus is quite near our composite Uranus that is opposing sun + moon + jup in the forth house of the composite.

[Kim Falconer]

Because you are so close in age, all the outer planets will be the same in the composite as they are in your natal charts. It’s a kind of “them against Us” sort of feel…a real commonality. Not so much a 'good" thing or a "bad" thing…but energy, just as it is.

I have seen Saturn contacts in composite charts and synastry portray some really amazing growth in both individuals. It can be a real blessing…not always a “warning—danger” sign.

Warmly,
Kim