Juno Vertex

[kansara]

Hello everybody!

Do you know more about this aspects in sinastry to help me?
his Juno conjunct her Sun and Jupiter and trine her Saturn
his Vertex conjunct her Moon, Juno, Venus

I am more interested about Juno - Vertex and I couldn't find more details. I know Juno can reprezent the marriage and vertex is conected with some fate...
Can be here some clues about these two people that are made to be together?

Thank you!

[Kim Falconer]

H Kansara,
Welcome to the forum!

I don’t think any aspect particularly tells us that people are “meant” to be together. I do think aspects can tell us what it might be like if they are!

Juno/vertex is interesting to explore.

Let’s think about Juno in the chart first.

Juno differs from the other asteroid goddesses in her unwavering desire for marriage: Ceres prefers the company of the earth, her daughter and the occasional lover. A staunch virgin, Pallas Athena seeks the company of men as comrades in arms. Although offered the hand of marriage by Poseidon and Apollo, Vesta prefers to stay sequestered in her temple, content with managing the sacred flame of renewal. She welcomes men only as a consecrated act of divine union.

Yet Juno/Hera wanted Jupiter/Zeus, king of the pantheon of Mt. Olympus, to be her lawfully wedded husband. Originally a virgin sky deity in her own right, Juno’s marriage to Zeus is thought to represents a merging of two cults that were once dissimilar. How ever it came about, the marriage of Zeus and Hera was a rocky one.

As he did most women, Zeus made various attempts to seduce Juno early on, but she would not submit to him unless he promised to marry her. His desire must have been great, because he agreed and they were married on Mt. Olympus with all the gods and goddesses in attendance.

Although Juno was faithful to her marriage vows, the mighty Zeus certainly was not. The more furious, vengeful, and jealous Juno became, the more he sought the extramarital company of other goddesses, mortals and youths. Their relationship seems volatile and laced with domestic violence, threats and deception. Juno also persecuted the illegitimate offspring of Zeus’ escapades with relentless cruelty. In spite of this, Zeus continued his myriad affairs yet still longed for his wife. She was unquestionably his queen! They had at least three children together.

Primarily the goddess of marriage and maternity, Hera/Juno rules over all aspects of the feminine. She is the image of the archetypal good wife and while long-term committed relationship is her realm. She also had some dealings with Eros.

Aristophanes tells us that golden winged Eros drove Juno’s chariot and then presided over her wedding to Zeus. Although the domains of wedlock and erotic love are not the same, there is a sense of acknowledgement and support from Eros to Hera. This is not reciprocated by Hera when it comes to illicit love!

Juno in the chart is a place where we feel deep and fruitful attraction to someone or some thing and we are willing to commit. There is a desire to nurture (and perhaps control—with not a small measure of jealousy!). Juno also represents our capacity for “meaningful relationship” and if she falls on someone’s Vertex, there could be an epiphany of awareness in this area of life.

You don’t see this synastry aspect too often. (keep the orb quite tight). I think the connection could indicate a meeting (chance or long term) that awakens in the two people some new understanding about “commitment to something we desire and long to spend time with”.

Remember, “The vertex is a point in the horoscope that can indicate a sense of destiny working through another person or outstanding event. It may be stimulated by transits, progressions or directions, other people (synastry/composite) or a change of location. The house and sign position can offer clues as to where the change or turning point may take place and in what way.”<br>
The houses this synastry conjunction falls in will indicate “where in the lives” of the two people this contact may work.

Does anyone have a Juno/Vertex contact by synastry?

Your input would be most welcome!

Warmly,
Kim

[kansara]

Thank you so much for your very interesting answer!

I can tell you more about the exact positions of this aspects, maybe you can tell me more about.

In my IV th house I have (in virgo)
Moon at 09-30'
Juno at 12-52'
Venus at 13-53'
And on top of these is his Vertex at 11-11' !

In my IIIrd house I have (in leo)
Sun at 14-45'
Jupiter at 14-21'
And on top of these is his Juno at 12-44'

In my IInd house (in cancer) is
Mercury at 28-23' on his Jupiter at 29-01'

Also his Venus falls in my first house near by my ASC (in cancer)

In my XII house (in Taurus) is
my Eros at 22-58' Tau on
his Sun at 25-22'

[Amoroso]

"Does anyone have a Juno/Vertex contact by synastry?"

I just posted a new thread on transits at the time of "falling in love" and this combo appeared in the composite chart of my husband and I at the time we were getting the idea that we had found "the one." A romatic notion, for sure, but that's how we were feeling at the time!

Amoroso

[Pj]

Hi Everyone on the Forum, I was here several months ago (I'm here as a guest because I had to sign up again.....)

I met a man not too long ago. The first time I layed eyes on him I thought "I am going to marry him". His juno and neptune are conjunct my vertex in the 5th house (scorpio). They are all opposite my venus/his jupiter conjunction.

The day we met, eros was transiting the juno/neptune/vertex conjunction.

I walked into an empty restaurant (he was the only one there ) and I simply gave a smile. He smiled back. But there was "this feeling" from the very first moment I saw him. As I stood at a counter placing my order to go, I was acutely aware of his eyes on me from behind, and, he intervened with my conversation with the waitress before I even turned around!

I sat down to wait for the order. He continued to talk.......ends up (after we finally conversed on the phone and I got his birth data) that he has venus and mars in Gemini. My asc. is Gemini with mars conjunct (and conjunct his mars/venus as well), and my eros sits right between his venus and mars. My name sits between his venus and cupido. Ven/cup are conjunct my ascendent also as is his north node in cancer (1st house).

All I can say is what an impact this man ended up making on me that day, since as we conversed, I found him more and more attractive. He was confident but a gentleman. He asked me question after question and was so interested. There was such a comfortable flow with him. And as we talked, I remember my thought process was "I cannot not let this man get away! I was almost in a panic!!!

I wrote my phone number down on a piece of paper with my name, all with "professional intent", saying "I don't have any business cards yet". I was hoping/sensing that the feeling was mutual and that he would get the hint to just call. I introduced myself as I handed the paper to him and we shook hands. There was so much more there though than a casual aquaintance.

Never the less, three weeks passed by and I forgot about him for the most part. One day though, I was at the restaruant again and he walked in. I turned around and pointed at him and said his name jokingly. He pointed back, teased, etc......I later gave him smiles and a few lowerd lashes - couldn't help it..... As the waitress was slow in bringing the check, I turned around toward him to find her and smiled again. Then, I got up and simply walked up to his table. I said, "do you come here often"? He said "all the time". He asked if I did the same, then, he flirted with me saying "now, when my back hurts, I think of you" (I'm a massage therapist and our previous conversation had included that). I was taken aback really and stumbled out "that's sweet, you should call and make an appointment sometime". I knew he felt dejected because his eyes lowered and he toyed with his food.

I walked away, payed my check and said "take care" as I walked back by. He said the same. Then later I'd known I'd blown it. He didn't know if I had been interested or not!

As it was, a week later I went by the restaurant and left a note for him with the little Thai gal who works there. She said in her broken english "maybe I play matchmaker" and clapped her hands with excitment. Another week went by when I finally called Kuan. She said he had gotten the note and that he was going to call. She said that he had commented that I probably wouldn't like him though because he has three kids. He did call though that very day and left a message. He said "I was very flattered and still am as a matter of fact." l was was so happy! (but level headed and guarded as well....).

As it would be, as a venus/mars in Gemini man, he had found my "written note" very attractive - and bold. I am an Aries and he has moon in Leo.

After we finally made connection after a few phone tags I asked him about him. "Are you married, divorced, have a girlfriend or what?" He asked if I wanted the version that would fulfill my fantasies or the truth. I said the truth please. Turns out, he has three daughters, one eight and two 12 yr. old twins. I'm a little older than him and my girls are grown and I have lots of freedom. He is living with a women who lost her daughter to a heroin overdose. Then she needed somewhere to live and so she moved in. His ex who he was married to for twelve years has had substance abuse and so he has full custody of his kids (she only sees her kids a few times a month. And I'm sure this women he lives with is a support to him in raising the girls). He stated that his live in and him had lots of chemistry in the beginning but it is pretty much gone now. She is more like a room mate. It was all too heavy for me.....what a dissapointment!

We talked for an hour. It was apparent that he wanted to see me but that was not an option for me. I told him I wanted a healthy and loving relationship with someone available. He said with all of these factors, with children to raise, a live in and an ex wife with substance abuse "it's all a mess" .

To further the karmic ties between him and I though, is his south node conjunct my saturn in my 7th house. His sun opposes my moon in cap. in the 8th and his eros is opposite my moon/psyche.

At the end of the conversation neither of us really wanted to say goodbye, but it was a stalemate. Circumstances were going to prevent this from going further. All I could say was, "I'm sorry your not available". I knew that secrectly, he was hoping I'd compromise. I just couldn't though because as I told him I"ll get attached" (and besides, I do not need that kind of baggage). He had wanted to have a platonoic friendship, I feel, to hold on to something. I told him that would not be fulfilling. Not with all that eros and venus, asc., etc. energy! I knew it would never stay platonic so I stayed disciplined........And yet, I feel he was a soul mate because of the vertex, juno and neptune connection and my "I am going to marry him" initial reaction, as well as the south node/saturn and north node on the first house axis.

Since our lives are in such huge contrast I wondered if my natal eros on his venus/mars itself had been transformative muse in the sense, that even though fleeting might make one reconsider their circumstances and how those circumstances prevent one from finding their own fulfillment - as in personal freedom and the people we wish we could be with but can't, because of obligation and circumstance.

My question (after my long story, thanks for letting me vent) is how or why, perhaps, transiting eros to my vertex and his neptune/juno in the 5th house evoked this depth of feeling ......... Seems I had been given an opportunity to have a love affair or not. I chose not because I forsaw only heartache and pain. I told him I was tempted but declined.

Was his initial reaction to reach out to me (verbally, Gemini trait) because something was evoked in him perhaps by something as innocent as a smile (my eros in Gemini)? I can't forget the way it felt that very first moment when I walked into the restuarant, looked into his eyes and smiled, and could feel his eyes glued to me from the back (I soaked up every moment ) and was truly astounded that he began talking to me before I could even turn around. It was one of those magical moments you simply don't expect and yet a moment when something opens up inside because you suddenly feel appreciated and admired because you happened to smile at a stranger. Seeing him again for the second time by "happenstance" and the feelings evoked, I know that he is indeed not a stranger on a soul level.

Any insights to help me linger just a little longer in the after glow?

Thanks, Pj

[darrah19]

dear Pj, don't apologize! your story was very poignant and I felt very touched. in my experience, Juno-Vertex and any personal planet/calculated point and Vertex contacts seem to have that effect of 'if only' if they don't work out. the encounter is almost never lighthearted, and you can't seem to leave without a heavy heart about the possibilities. my vertex is conjunct my special someone's Descendant and his vertex is opposite my Juno and I know that neither of us can let it go completely and for good, while not being able to take the relationship where we want it to go (long story involving long distance etc).

they're rather bittersweet, these Vertex-Juno contacts. and they make you feel as if you've left some of the best parts of yourself behind with that person.

all my best...

[Pj]

Thank you Dar,

It's taken a couple of days to work it out of my system but I'm doing better now. He had said maybe we would see each other sometime and say hello. That could be dangerous and I will not consciously seek that (I will avoid that restaurant!, lol).

PJ

[samina]

pj -- very touching story; thanks for sharing it.

dar -- <<any personal planet/calculated point and Vertex contacts seem to have that effect of 'if only' if they don't work out>>

how frequently have you seen that?

someone with whom i have a very powerful connection has his venus on my vertex in my 7th house, widely conjunct my descendent.

any insight into that? there's so much more going on in our synastry, but i'm curious about the interpretation for that piece on its own...

this is a great site, btw!

samina

[Kim Falconer]

Hi Samina,

Have you read my article and followed the links re the Vertex?
www.nrg.com.au/~d-falcon/News.htm#vertum

It may give you a broader understanding of the point.

Consider what happens when someone's personal planet 'wakes up' your Vertex! (Look what happened to Vertumnus!)

It is a turning point and that person seems to have something substantial to offer (think of Venus as substance for a moment--the power to attract and what is valuable). It may not be a traditional relationship--so many other considerations--but it is one that will coincide with peak moments for you!

What's the sign axis?

Can anyone comment who has experienced this combination in synastry? (Their Venus on your Vertex?)

I just checked my data base and only found two contacts over the years—they were both brief, vivid, unusual, compelling and YES they marked major turning points in my life!

Kim

[samina]

Yes, Kim -- excellent article. I'd come across it while l was researching everything I could on the vertex, among other things. I've studied astrology most of my life, and have worked with composites & synastry, but I'd never worked with the asteroids or other finer points of interpretation.

This particular relationship with the Venus-Vertex connection has had such an impact on me that it has me delving deeper into astrology in an attempt to better understand it, and that's what's actually catalyzed me to explore how the asteroids play out in the composite, progressed composite, davison, and transits. So fascinating!

The sign axis for the Venus-Vertex connection is Aries (7th)/Libra (my ASC). His Venus falls in his 10th house, conjunct his MC. He's very Martian, with Mars in Cancer in the 1st house, widely conjunct his ASC. My Cancer sun (in a stellium with my Cancer MC & N.Node and Gemini Venus & Mercury) are in his 12th house.

Some added synastry layers: the Venus-Vertex conjunction is square my natal Eros in Cancer, which is conjunct my MC. His Psyche is sandwiched between my tight Sun/Venus conjunction. His Chiron & Juno are conjunct my 5th house Saturn, all in Pisces (this is a very healing relationship, involving dance & powerful creative expression). And his Part of Fortune & Pholus are right on my 5th house Psyche (I have no idea what that's indicating...).

Also, in the progressed composite chart, the Vertex & Jupiter are currently straddling the Descendant, opposing Eros on the ASC. Of course there's more, but these are the bits I'm trying to decipher.

The relationship is constrained by professional limitations at this time & is completely unconsummated. But from the moment we met, the connection was powerful & has marked a complete turning point for me in numerous ways... *very * vertex-y! I don't get that the connection will be brief, though. But it is certainly vivid, unusual, and compelling, Kim -- great choice of words!

samina

[Amoroso]

Dear Samina,

Your post resonates with so many of us on this forum! (Read the thread on "Eros and Marriage" to get parts of my experience.)

His Venus/Vertex conjunction is opposite my Mercury/Vertex. Complex, that aspect alone. My Saturn is also conjunct his Venus/Vertex, and is also the midpoint between that Venus/Vertex and his Uranus.

Very intense, beautiful, painful, life-changing forever, totally unconsummated, restricted by time, age, circumstance, professional concerns, you name it.

I, too, turned to astrology in a deeper way to "make sense" of this and was blessed beyond measure to find Kim and this forum. I am not sure it will ever "make sense,"--Eros does not work within those parameters, but at least I am understanding myself better.

Best wishes,
Amoroso

[samina]

Amoroso,

I read the Eros & Marriage thread... just beautiful. You express yourself so exquisitely. I'm sure that even just being able to *feel* so deeply and so richly has been a healing of its own.

I've experienced powerful Eros energy before, with unconsummated Eros pulling from outside a committed relationship, and I've nursed other women through similiar situations where it seems the mantra has always been "hold the frequency, hold the frequency!" There's something very healing & empowering for a woman to go deep into her receptivity & desire nature, but to not act on it.

But this feels very different. It feels destined for consummation. Ah well... things will unfold in their own way & time. The connection is many, many-layered, very plutonic & uranian (in the composite, uranus is exactly on the leo ASC, and pluto & eros are tightly conjunct in the 1st house, opposing a pisces chiron in the 7th), and lots of 8th & 11th house energy, but it's also got enduring saturn energy, and lots of yummy moon/venus/neptune action, and I keep coming across a strong juno in all the charts & transits I've done.

But his venus on my vertex... that is such a standout, and I wondered what the experiences others had. This man's energy inspires such strong feelings of partnership & receptivity in me, the kind of thing I *want* to take time to drink in... whereas I'm not one whose known for eagerness to commit.

I look forward to hearing more about your journery, amoroso.

samina

[dar]

hi Pj, Samina, Kim and amoroso,

it's been a while because work and life in general has been hellish busy lately.

this is a great thread. thanks for starting it, Pj. we need more threads on the Vertex, DSC and any and all calculated points etc, IMO.

Samina, just my experience. and many charts that I've compared. I think, as Kim says, the Vertex is a transformative point. so even if nothing comes of it, so to speak, the encounter, or the relationship, has a profound effect on the people involved.

and that brings me to my question for Kim.

does it matter if it's the Vertex or Antivertex, Kim? and how does it differ in terms of whose Vertex it is? my Juno-Vertex contact is with my Juno conjunct his ANTI-Vertex. what exactly does the Antivertex mean to you? and how does it differ from the Vertex in terms of effects in synastry?

many thanks, everyone. stay well.

darrah.

[Kris]

Hello Darrah,

We had some discussion on Vertex sometime back. I am not getting the title of the thread.

From a few cases discussed there it is noticed that relationships brought on by vertex contacts are transformative (you said it as well) but does not guarantee permanency in the relation. Vertex was then discussed as an electric point.

Anti-vertex is as strong as vertex. If vertex is taken as electric point (the source), anti-vertex acts as the sink that takes-in and drains-out the material. The person whose anti-vertex conjuncts the personal planets of the partner initiates separation instilling transformative experience on the personal planets person.

Kris

[samina]

<<the Vertex is a transformative point. so even if nothing comes of it, so to speak, the encounter, or the relationship, has a profound effect on the people involved>>

Thanks, Darrah. That makes a lot of sense, definitely.

<<The person whose anti-vertex conjuncts the personal planets of the partner initiates separation instilling transformative experience on the personal planets. >>

Interesting. I'm going to have to look more carefully at the anti-vertex, because in quite a number of cases I'm seeing synastry or composite planets opposing the vertex.

There's a great book waiting to be written with all this detailed information, that's for sure...

samina