|
Post by Amoroso on Mar 17, 2005 22:23:10 GMT
Dear Kim et All,
I've been doing some serious thinking about Saturn because of his upcoming transit to some very vital points in my natal and draco charts.
To understand what will be required of me I have been thinking about some excellent questions that Kim posed for me in an Astro Tutor. I am also looking at Saturn in synastry.
I was piqued by Kim's response on another thread about the second house being a place where we "attract what we value." I have Saturn in second house Scorpio, and my husband's Saturn is in my second house. I have often projected my own limits and values onto him, and for many years felt he was limiting my creativity and being stingy when it came to money. The flip side is that people can grow and change for the better, which we have. I now know that I limited my own creativity, and he was actually being frugal and financially savy, for which I am now very grateful!
But in synastry with C., his Saturn is in my 11th house. With all our discussion on the 11th house, I still don't have a very good idea what energies that might represent.
Your thoughts?
Blessings, Amoroso
|
|
|
Post by aquariusrising2 on Mar 18, 2005 1:55:25 GMT
Hey Amoroso! Well, I'll take a crack at his Saturn falling in your 11th house, only because it is a familiar place for me and I've got a good friend who's Saturn falls in my 11th house. His Saturn in my 11th house actually acts as structure and grounding to my creative ideas and goals. He helps me to solidify my hopes and wishes. When I think of Saturn in the 11th I think of Saturn/Capricorn and Uranus/Aquarius touching. I think there can be some push and pull, but if the two energies shake hands and play nice, amazingly innovative ideas can be brought to fruition. I'm sure Kim can give a much more accurate delineation, but I thought I'd give it a shot. Also, I have been going through a Saturn transit to my natal Mercury, Moon and Saturn (in a T-square) for what seems like a hundred years now, (back and forth, Arghhh : I don't know if it helps you, but through this transit I have experienced contraction, in such a way as to eliminate what is not necessary in my life. (on so many levels) It is almost as though, I've been eliminating the unecessary and laying foundation for what's to come. Acutally, a lot more than that as well, but I'm sure your Saturn transit affects different houses and planets than mine, so, I won't go into all that. Anyhow, hope this helps a little. A.R.
|
|
|
Post by Kim Falconer on Mar 18, 2005 22:48:22 GMT
These are great thoughts about Saturn in the 11th by synastry. It can seem like the other is a structure or framework for our hopes and wishes for the future. It can also, under other circumstances, feel like the other person presents (as Amoroso felt initially with her husband’s Saturn and her own in the 2nd) limits, frustrations, blocks, fears and guilt. We get suspicious that "they" are doing things to us that (like a child felling controlled by a parent) seem dominating and sometimes even cruel. It can also see an "awkward" area where they appear inadequate or somehow out of place---like Amoroso feeling her husband was stingy (clearly not valuing her 2nd) when now, in the LONG RUN, it seems to have been beneficial! Boy, is that Saturn for you. Saturn says, "stick with it, wait around, do the work and have the patience and then you will see the gold." Not before. If you do "stick around" where a synastry Saturn is concerned, you get the form and structure and results in that area of life where Saturn falls. If you can't "get it together" in the area of life where someone's Saturn falls, hang in there and see what happens. Out of shear necessity, you find the integrity and discipline and authentic desire to express and experience that house more fully---because Saturn, their Saturn, teaches you something about responsibility. Saturn in the 11th by synastry may feel, at first, that the relationship limits your friendships or associations with like-minded people in some way. It may feel very unstable or vulnerable on a social level. "What would my friends thing?" What would my colleagues think?" "Where in the world (future) could this possibly go?" However, after TIME, Saturn shows us where things can go and how things can work if we are willing to build the foundations required. Because his Saturn is conjunct his North Node, you also have his Node there in your 11th. No matter how "impossible" it may seem at times, if the relationships continues, the feeling that he is a "true friend" with something quite valuable to offer continues as well. Does anyone else have some examples of Saturn in the Synastry houses? I had a 5 year relationships with someone who had Saturn in Cancer in my 11th (conjunct my S. Node). I was a LOT younger then, and the relationship was just one big mass of projection. I did feel tortured by how many friends he had and how I didn't fit in. I also felt like I had to "take care of him" in some way (that contact to the south node" and most of the time with him was pretty heart breaking. That's not a very creative example! Actually, I have a friend now who (29 years younger) has the same Saturn in Cancer on my S. Node. Now I feel like the one who has the friends and the connections! I do sometimes "look after him" a bit emotionally, though I think there is a healthier recognition and respect for what we have to offer each other as friends. Anyone else? This is a great topic. It would be fun to see an example for Saturn by Synastry in each house! Warmly, Kim
|
|
|
Post by Amoroso on Mar 19, 2005 1:39:49 GMT
Dear Kim and A.R.,
Thank you both for your replies. Actually, I am always interested in hearing about the effects of transits, so, A.R., feel free to start another thread called "Saturn Transits." I am sure that would be of interest to everyone.
I am thinking that my husband's Saturn in my second house, which contains my Saturn, has been a double whammy--actually a triple whammy because his Saturn is conjunct his own Mars. So I got his Saturn/Mars in my house of self and financial worth.--ultimately a very good thing but it has taken years and years AND YEARS to work things out.
I do think it has taken equally as long for me to work out issues of self worth, body image and basic financial sense.
My Saturn is in his fifth house. This has probably manifested in several ways: 1) I may have managed to give his life a form and direction that he would not have had otherwise. He's an extremely focused individual on a task, but he had no sense of how to create a home or create a life in general. For a long time he felt inadequate in the creativity department. The "childlike wonder" side of Gemini that slips out of me every now and then put him in touch with his own creative juices. 2) I have often also sucked the fun out of his life, both in the nagging department and during these years of raising young children while I had surgery after surgery and suffered from clinical depression. (That would do it, huh.) And I certainly have "limited" his romantic affairs!
What is interesting is that my Saturn is in my mother's second house and her Saturn is in my fifth! And my father's Saturn was in my second. hummm...Those family patterns....
I would love to read about other Saturn in synastry examples.
Blessings, Amoroso
|
|
|
Post by chrissymgreen on Mar 24, 2005 16:02:37 GMT
dear amoroso,
i have an example for you.
in my most recent (romantic/platonic) relationship, my saturn falls into his 7th house conjunct his DC and his saturn falls into my 11th house. reading through this thread just now actually made something click inside my brain.
see, recently he's been going through a tough time. i met him about 2 years ago now, and we met through the internet of all places. he had taken a break from school (he was going to northwestern university near chicago) and come home to fort worth, texas (where i live). he had had kind of a nervous breakdown and decided he needed some time off. he told me at one point his house mate had asked him what day it was, and he replied while looking at the floor, "I don't know -- today is every day." and when he told me this, he said to me, "It was like every day was pointless and painful." before he left chicago, he was hospitalized and subsequently put on medication. he suffers from depression, OCD, agoraphobia.
at any rate, when he got home, he decided he wanted to make new friends & so he started browsing the profiles through the onion's personals site. i had an old profile there that i posted ages ago that i periodically checked when i got mail, and when i got a note from him in march of 2003 i liked him right off the bat, and decided to meet him even though i hardly ever do that (internet dating is scary). we met for coffee at 6 pm and spent the entire evening talking and even laughing, and i read to him from gravity's rainbow, which i was reading at the time, and i loved that he let me and even seemed interested (it's not every day that you meet a 20-something guy who's into postmodern writers). he blurted out in typical scorpio rising fashion (you know, that tendency of pluto to be bluntly honest in a strategic way, a sort of confrontational way of testing people to see if they have enough integrity to be worth the time right from the start) that he was seeing a therapist 3 times a week in the middle of our possibly 3rd cup of coffee. so, i told him of my neurological problems - i have tourette's syndrome and OCD as well. it's something i've dealt with since around the age of 13 or 14, and i figured he'd find out sooner or later, anyway, because even though at the time that i told him i had known him exactly 75 minutes (maybe) i felt ok enough to tell him. i've never told someone immediately after meeting them that i have tourette's. it's not something i discuss, really.
anyway, we became friends. we started dating. on our 4th date he kissed me, but we did not sleep together until much later. it was much more emotional, way more emotional than i had expected, being physically intimate with him. with a libra ascendant and uranus exactly conjunct it, plus venus/NN in aquarius, i feel i am a very uranian individual even though i have a piscean sun. i can detach myself from the world easily enough, and i can tell you through knowing him it has been really hard to do that, and that's something new for me. he's so like me in certain ways. he has uranus exactly conjunct the ascendant, too, from the 12th house (his conjunction is by 1° and mine is by 9 minutes). his conjunction is in scorpio, of course. anyway, he may have that uranus rising thing going on, too, and he may be a virgo sun/11th house, gemini moon/7th house (it's easy for him to detach and analyze things), but he is also extremely emotional. he has that scorpio ascendant, plus venus & mars in scorpio in the 12th house. i speculate this is one reason why he has such trouble dealing with the world, why the world pains him. he's got such divergent energies, it's no wonder. i forgot to mention venus is also conjunct his ascendant by a couple degrees.
anyway, last year he finally graduated (he had to go back to chicago for a few months to do so), and after graduation, he got an internship at texas instruments in germany. i was very happy for him, it was just what he wanted and even needed. we remained in contact, but when he got back i didn't hear from him for 2 weeks or so. i knew something was wrong, i felt things were off. i feel pretty psychically in tune with him (my psyche directly on his moon?) and i felt it in my bones. eventually i heard from him and he said he had the flu, and then a week later i got another letter apologizing for not calling/writing. he went on to say he was not in a good place, he's depressed and doesn't want to be around anyone right now. he says it has nothing to do with me, but he can't handle social contact right now. he went on to describe how if he forced social contact, he'd end up resenting me. he said he knew it was dumb and he didn't know what to do about it. he said he was sorry he couldnt be a better friend. i assured him that it was all ok, that he was my friend first and foremost, and i respected his privacy and his space. i also told him i didn't want anything from him, i just had a desire to continue knowing him. i basically just wrote him a comforting, non-threatening letter. i asked if it would be ok that i send him some of the things i had for him (i didn't want to intrude upon his person by just sending a package without asking). he was in germany for his 26th birthday and for christmas, so i had made a collage for him and bought him a european first edition of john barth's 'lost in the funhouse' (gotta love those postmodernists). i also found a gorgeous piece of petrified wood during a road trip to big bend my sister and i took right before the holidays. it reminded me of him. and then i also had a bunch of music i copied, stuff i knew he'd like. he replied back with that it was nice to hear, and of course i can send him a package. so i sent it.
since then we haven't had any contact, and i'm ok with that. at first i felt a little out of sorts, i was worried he didn't want to be my friend anymore. i may have venus in aquarius and that may be my chart ruler, but my venus is in the 5th house so i know all about feeling affronted if someone i am platonically and romantically interested in is not extending any affection or attention my way. one thing that's great, though, is that with him i find it easy to be rational, reasonable, and mature. of course, i have my moments, to be sure. i'm paranoid and suspicious and reticent sometimes to open myself and to trust someone, but he's made it fairly easy so far to trust him, and i think any insecurities on my part are just that, insecurities on MY part.
i think this all related to saturn in a big way. his saturn is in my 11th house -- and look at everything people have said here in this thread about saturn in the 11th house. it's all true! i think i feel limited sometimes where it regards our friendship. i think i sometimes feel he's withholding...but i also know the friendship we have shared is amazing and wonderful, and i've learned where he's concerned i just need to trust him. i need to hold out, and his friendship, the kind of friendship we shared before, will come back. unless he plans on shutting himself away forever, i think our friendship will be there when he's ready. it's hard, especially when i miss all the fun we had together (he really is the best male friend i've ever had), and i do have my insecurities about whether he's ever gonna want to hang out again, but honestly, i think i just need to wait.
i think for him, with my saturn in his 7th conjunct his DC, i'm teaching him about relationships. an honest-to-goodness, intimate relationship. he's not an open book, and he avoids involvements like the plague usually. i think i exert a certain amount of pressure on him to be there for me, to be my partner. i don't mean to at all, but i think just by my sheer presence in his life i do this. it's that he knows i totally love him, and sheesh, i'd do anything for him. (well, almost. i am not really a grandiosely romantic person by nature.) i just know he can tell that i adore him, and he knows i'm waiting (in some way). i don't have to tell him any of this. i know he knows it, and i know at times it has made him uncomfortable. especially now. i don't think it has anything to do with me personally, though. i don't feel stressed about anything with him (the only thing that stresses me about this situation is the thought that maybe he doesn't want to continue our friendship), because you know what? ultimately i feel if i stick it out, i'll get the friendship i want so badly from him (11th house) and he'll get the partner and equal he wants (7th house). i don't think it's unreasonable to think that there's a good chance that one day we'll be companions again, partners in crime.
recently, it was my birthday (saturday), and my sister took me to a flea market (i LOVE flea markets). i found a book there by steven forrest (i love him) called the changing sky, and in it there's a whole section on progressions. i checked gordon's progressed chart, and you know what? his progressed venus is in scorpio 22° in the 12th house, STATIONARY, about to go retrograde in july, and it is out of bounds. his progressed venus went stationary at some point while he was in germany. did you know only 15% of people will experience a retrograde progressed venus? and venus usually goes retrograde for something like 42 days i think, and so this translates to 42 years in the progressed chart. this is astounding to me. i can't even imagine what he must be going through right now.
at any rate, thank you for listening to me about this. i know i rambled (there's my 3rd house sag moon) but it felt good to sort of spill my guts, so to speak.
sincerely, chrissy
|
|
|
Post by Amoroso on Mar 24, 2005 21:37:32 GMT
Dear Chrissy,
Thanks for sharing your 11th house Saturn-in-synastry story. It does seem to describe this energy very well. My heart goes out to this friend of yours and you. However, it does seem that with time (Saturn) the friendship will open up again. It is so true that if one is willing to experience the lows, the highs can be extremely wonderful.
And as you say, it has little to do with you and is more a commentary on his inner process.
I found your story interesting because I sense that in spite of the fact that C. is friendly and chatty, and seems to have a million friends, both male and female who desire his company, he craves solitude. (his 12th house Gemini Moon is conjunct my 8th house Gemini Sun.) He is highly visible in his work and also volunteers as an EMT for a resue squad, so he's very involved with groups and yet hardly ever accepts the tons of invitations he recevies, especially from women.
And yet this is a freindship that I know will last if I accept the "limitations" and let him be.
Thanks again, Amoroso
|
|
|
Post by svenskasfinx on Mar 25, 2005 7:01:28 GMT
Hello all! I too have a Saturn in the 11th house story, but its my husband and I; my Saturn in his 11th house. (this is not surprising because both of us have the same ASC by one degree... however different house cusps. Since both of us have 11th house Saturns at work here, only his falls in my 10th house, there is a certain feeling about of RESPONSIBILITY (the key word for Saturn and the 10th house) which comes along with the seeming "ease" of the friendship we share. We too met via the internet but not intentionally. He found my entry in someone's guest book, and thus surfed to my page which happened to be just artwork and a dream journal (ahead of its time in 1998) He answered my questions and left a link in my guest book to his funny home page about "life on mars".. and I wrote him an e-post saying that was so funny, I want to marry him. Isn't that more of a "Uranian" meeting? Only with the 11th house and Saturn, it seems to mean that there was something solid as a friendship. (who can say?) Just thought I'd add this while my son is obsessively opening the cabinets in the kitchen despite the fact he has a plate of food waiting for him to eat it! Grrr! Hope this contributes something solid! Svenskasfinx
|
|
|
Post by Amoroso on Mar 26, 2005 1:05:10 GMT
Hi Svenskasfinx,
Thanks for adding your story--very interesting how you and your husband met, and it really does point to both Saturn and Uranus!
After Kim responded to my initial post, I realized that it is not only his Saturn and North Node in my 11th, but also his IC. And my DC, Mercury/Adonis exact conjunction (and vertex--although I don't think that this is significant,) fall in his 11th.
Can one use the derivative house system in synastry, and if so, how does one do that?
Blessings, Amoroso
|
|
|
Post by levaju on Mar 26, 2005 10:12:23 GMT
I liked what Aquariusrising wrote: I've got a good friend who's Saturn falls in my 11th house. His Saturn in my 11th house actually acts as structure and grounding to my creative ideas and goals. He helps me to solidify my hopes and wishes. This is very positive way of expressing Saturn energy in the 11th house indeed! If other links in the chart would have supported a more negative response, it could have been expressed very different though. When it comes to Saturn in synastry I therefore always try focus on how to use this energy positive and creative.
As you all probably know it's not uncommon to associate Saturn as being limiting, being a "wet blanket", being restricting etc where it is found - but I see the Saturn energy putting a more serious tone, being a teacher, a stabilizer, a buider of structure to what ever it touches. I have several people in my life having their Saturn in my 7th house. This might seem demitrial at first but all of those relationships are longterm and are definitly the ones teaching me to be more responsible and focused in close relationships.
I see Saturn being a very important point in relationshipcharts and will give you one view of interpreting Saturn in the houses in synastry. I focus on the fact that both individuals gets a special possibility to learn, structure, stabilize themselfs in the housearea and the aspects made by Saturn in the synastric chart. I'm also aware of that they might feel the more negative expression of Saturnenergy, eg. if there are dynamic aspects to work with. The possibility to get the positive outcome of the overlay are given in a little different way depending of who's being the Saturnianperson and the houseperson.
In my experience, the Saturnianperson becomes aware of the more vunerable sides in their personality in the area their Saturn is capured by the houseperson. Depending on the own personal development in that area, the feelings the Saturnianperson has to deal with can be awkward or secure. Eg. say that ones Saturn falls into the 11th house of the other person. This could awaken and be felt as an acute awareness of being very shy in groups, but it could also be felt as being very secure in the 11th house area.
Depending on how the reaction of the 11th house issues the Saturnianpersons respons will be limiting (shy/moralistic/awkward) or grounding (secure/stabilizing/teaching) towards the houseperson. This mean that the houseperson becomes aware of the housearea by the way the Saturnian person handles his/her own reactions in this special area. If they are on the same wavelength they could get the results like those Aquariusrising wrote about. If they are not on the same wavelength, - they still can learn from eachother if you make them aware of this possibility.
An interesting note here might be that both the Saturnian and the houseperson can be the one acting "Saturnian" or "houselike". The roles are not fixed even though it often is an interplay like the one I just described above. Ok :-) This all was just a very simple example to give an idea of one way to approach the interpretation of Saturn overlay in the houses in synastry.
Best whises,
|
|
|
Post by gemstar on Mar 26, 2005 13:01:00 GMT
This morning I took a look at the house placements of my Saturn with my love. I discovered (how did I miss this?) that my Pis Saturn falls in his 1st house and his Scorp Saturn falls on my ASC...nearly the 1st house. I didn't realize this until now!
Does this mean we both have a grounding effect on each other in the same way? How does this affect each of our DCs?
In addition, we do have a tremendous amount of positive Saturn aspects in synastry...I am curious about this first house effect. I have not explored this house too closely. What are your thoughts?
Thanks! GemStar
|
|
|
Post by svenskasfinx on Mar 26, 2005 23:53:59 GMT
This morning I took a look at the house placements of my Saturn with my love. I discovered (how did I miss this?) that my Pis Saturn falls in his 1st house and his Scorp Saturn falls on my ASC...nearly the 1st house. I didn't realize this until now! Does this mean we both have a grounding effect on each other in the same way? How does this affect each of our DCs? In addition, we do have a tremendous amount of positive Saturn aspects in synastry...I am curious about this first house effect. I have not explored this house too closely. What are your thoughts? Thanks! GemStar Hello GemStar! I should say welcome to the forum ! I get the impression that your Saturn synastry and the 1st house and 12th house things that come with conjuction to the ASC (opposite DC) will naturally bring with it a constructive framework..for example discipline, or it will bring with it a kind of feeling of restriction in some areas dealing with the body. Aspects to the ASC have to do with perception or how we see things.. it could mean you both have a very focused point of view, or it could mean, there is a very strict or binding situation between the two of you.. even some kind of obligation to each other.. in any case a learning process. Because Saturn is Conjunct the ASC it is naturally in Opposition to the DC. This symbolicly means your Partner sees you as older or wiser or more mature ( or even a "stick in the mud" or a "work horse" ) with both of you having this aspect, it clearly means you both will have a similar opinion about each other, but remember other planets and asteroids also colour this point of view as well as the signs on the ASC/DC and the aspects of those rulers and the planets found aspected to those points aside from Saturn. Any aspects to Saturn from other planets in synastry will only give you clues about how this Saturn will function..as well as the house that Saturn itself rules. For example, if your Saturn was the Ruler of your 8th house.. it may even be more physically alluring between you two inspite of the coolness and discipline... which could be percieved as non-sexy synastry... (but I've always thought that Saturn was kind of "sexy" but thats probably because it is MY 8th house ruler ) Hope this made some sense.. take care, svenskasfinx
|
|
|
Post by Kim Falconer on Mar 27, 2005 0:01:04 GMT
Amoroso, you asked “Can one use the derivative house system in synastry, and if so, how does one do that?”<br> I think I would use this technique in synastry only to open up the meaning of the houses. If someone has a planet that falls in my 6th house, then he could they may not just have an impact on my daily life and work…or my pets and the way I accomplish my tasks…they may also effect my child’s income! (second house from the 5th). I’ve actually had this happen, so it popped to mind. Is that what you meant? More on Saturn soon. All these posts are very rich and informative! Thank you! Kim
|
|
|
Post by gemstar on Mar 27, 2005 0:36:19 GMT
Dear svenskasfinx: Thank you so much for your welcoming reply!! I am look forward to this awesome forum! OK-Saturn... Our composite Saturn in 1st lands in Capricorn so at least it is at home! As far as where it rules...in my houses, my ASC is right at 15.56 Scorpio so nearly all of my houses are split down the middle. I guess that would read as duality in the majority of my houses? So Saturn would rule half my 2nd and half 3rd? Am I making this more difficult than it should be? My apologies...I just don't want to learn something incorrect..especially if I am WAY off track! OK-The disciplined nature is strong in both of us. We also have a very strong binding/bond kind of feeling as well. We both look to each other for mature/different ways of seeing things...each taking their own turn depending on the situation at hand. It is a rather cool inter-change! The composite Saturn trines both the Moon and Venus in the 5th house. In the synastry, we have Saturn sextile Venus (exact), Sat trine Jup (exact), Sat sextile Amor (exact) Sat sq Node...on the whole quite a few nice contacts-bonding to say the least! I do believe there are things to learn from each other as well. The emotions of each of us are extremely sensitive-both Gem Suns with water ASCs and Moons. Sometimes one or the other's thoughts shake us to the core and we wonder what hit us. The lessons to be learned are certain to be transforming at the minimum! Thanks-I am off the keep studying this great information! Take Care- GemStar
|
|
|
Post by svenskasfinx on Mar 27, 2005 1:06:00 GMT
Dear svenskasfinx: Thank you so much for your welcoming reply!! I am look forward to this awesome forum! OK-Saturn... Our composite Saturn in 1st lands in Capricorn so at least it is at home! As far as where it rules...in my houses, my ASC is right at 15.56 Scorpio so nearly all of my houses are split down the middle. I guess that would read as duality in the majority of my houses? So Saturn would rule half my 2nd and half 3rd? Am I making this more difficult than it should be? My apologies...I just don't want to learn something incorrect..especially if I am WAY off track! OK-The disciplined nature is strong in both of us. We also have a very strong binding/bond kind of feeling as well. We both look to each other for mature/different ways of seeing things...each taking their own turn depending on the situation at hand. It is a rather cool inter-change! The composite Saturn trines both the Moon and Venus in the 5th house. In the synastry, we have Saturn sextile Venus (exact), Sat trine Jup (exact), Sat sextile Amor (exact) Sat sq Node...on the whole quite a few nice contacts-bonding to say the least! I do believe there are things to learn from each other as well. The emotions of each of us are extremely sensitive-both Gem Suns with water ASCs and Moons. Sometimes one or the other's thoughts shake us to the core and we wonder what hit us. The lessons to be learned are certain to be transforming at the minimum! Thanks-I am off the keep studying this great information! Take Care- GemStar Dear GemStar! I will tell you this of the over all idea of Saturn in the charts in synastry you should be aware of.. With the easier aspects its often easy to take for granted the internal fortitude it takes sometimes to grow in a relationship. But then again not everyone has the same goals.. Its just with so many aspects that don't draw upon Awarness but yet have Opportunities there can be a temptation to let things slide when they become chalenges..this is typical human nature, the way we handle these kind is often reflected by our over all charts. Saturn in Synastry just makes us more aware of our own chalenges..such as the binding qualities that make us "stick together" even in times of hardship..Sometimew when we don't act upon our Saturn in a constructive way, we are tempted to leave, even before the difficulties even occur, even more so we may find ourselves abandoning situations when we don't think we can handle them... but this is where everyone learns what they are made of, and how they relate to other people.. I guess this is why we brought up the topic of Saturn in Synastry. With houses, You look at where the house itself begins.. for example I belive it is your 3rd house cusp is begining in the middle of Capricorn (anyone have a link to post on another thread in General Astrology on Cusps of Houses, may be handy ..) I've got to go to sleep now, but I feel this Saturn as the ruler of the 3rd house means you are careful with your words, and you keep your word in cases of commitment but often try not to promise more than you can deliver, often you may be quite tight-lipped for a Gemini, if I'm not mistaken? (are you a Gemini?) This add more importance to the chart...because of the "Gemini house" the 3rd, ruling communications and similar to all things Gemini.. I hope I'm not too confusing! time for sleeping and daylight savings time take care, svenskasfinx
|
|
|
Post by gemstar on Mar 27, 2005 13:02:48 GMT
Dear svenskasfinx , Thanks! I hope you slept well! Saturn rules my 3rd and is located in my 5th house. Certainly I am rather tight-lipped on occasion-sometimes especially with him. I DO watch what I say before I speak (most of the time). Pluto plays a major role in my chart so I am usually not afraid of challenges. Saturn grounds me but sometimes too much (in the 5th) and I have to remember to lighten up at times...although you have to make it through my silly Moon in Cancer humor and Gem Sun way of communicating! Yes, thanks for clarifying the house ruler thing...I thought it was whichever began the house...I just wanted to be sure! His Scorp Saturn conjunct my Scorp Asc and Neptune in 1st......wouldn't that dampen some of my natural exhuberance? Or just add grounding? At times the communication has been a challenge for me because he has a bit of a wall/protective shield he hides behind. Because I can 'see' him, I push past it and reach for him. His 4th h gem-mercury squares his 1st h pis-moon so he has more difficulty at times with talking about more intimate feelings. Ohhhh...I think I am off on another tangent...sorry. Just trying to piece together the Saturn challenges. His Saturn does oppose my 7th Venus in wide aspect. I guess I am trying to understand how my ASC and Neptune conjunct his Sat fits into all of this. I feel tangled....and frustrated because I realize how much I have to learn....yet excited because I have so much to learn! Thanks for your help... GemStar
|
|