Draconic Charts and Synastry

[aquariusrising2]

Hi Kim and Everyone:

I started a thread on the "General" part of the board about Draconic Charts. I am very new to them, but very intrigued by what they have to offer. I understand that they are used in synastry quite a bit. I am wondering how they are used. Do you compare the draco to the natal or the two draco charts together, or both? And, as it is an indication of "soul purpose" what would be the deeper meaning of interpretation?

For example, I have compared my draco sun in Capricorn to another's draco sun in Cancer in a very tight opposition. How might this be interpreted, or would it have any meaning at all?

Thanks for any input. I'm trying to sort out the different charts and how to use them effectively.

A.R.

[Kim Falconer]

Hi AquariusRising,

It’s good to continue this discussion here on the use of Draco charts in synastry.

I compare both the Draco of one person to the Natal of another and the Draco’s to each other. You can find, as in the Natal to the same person’s Draco, connections that would otherwise not be seen.

I always consider first how the planets are aspected in the natal synastry. Is there a natal-natal aspect to your sun with this person? Then I would look at the Draco-Natal aspects between the same planets (sun-sun) and others (say Venus-Sun)

With the Draco-Draco Sun opposition, you have a very stimulating effect, though it stimulates deep under the surface. It stimulates in both of you that deeper level of soul identity and purpose and it binds them together. There is a commonality that may not be apparent “on the surface”. You activate each others “internal drives for actualization”.

If He has a planet in the natal chart that conjuncts your Draco Sun, it is going to activate the deep solar principle that you are striving to develop. You, in turn, will activate that planet of his, though indirectly…not in your usual “Gemini” sunny shinny way…It still works like people as permanent transits, though the layers deepen.

Bringing the Draco zodiac into the synastry comparison makes things more complex yet it can help us understand to core purpose of the relationship (or encounter) in a new way. Let’s face it—relationships ARE complicated! Very complicated!

Does anyone have some examples here to explore?

Thanks for the topic.

Warmly,
Kim

[Amoroso]

I am really interested in this topic but found the Draco connections between Chico's Draconic chart and mine almost too painful to look at. And that's just the conjunctions, not even figuring out aspects.

They are as intense as the list ScorpyMoon just wrote. I do not have my husband's Draconic chart.

The main question I have for Kim is, his Draco Psyche, at 14 Cancer, is directly conjunct my natal Psyche at 14 Cancer, and conjunct my natal Venus at 6 Cancer. The moon is his natal chart ruler, but his Draconic moon is in the opposite sign, Capricorn. Your thoughts? As always, thank you.

This is a relatively "minor" aspect between the charts but it somehow seems related to the Neptunian, 12th house issues.

Amoroso

[Kim Falconer]

Hello Amoroso,

As far as Draco Psyche on your natal psyche, you have what is known as a Psychic link. It is a line of connection, emotive, telepathic, empathic and loving. No matter what else is going on, you have this link. It is like a beautiful cobbled road, lines with flowering Jacarandas. You may not always be walking down it, at least, not always at the same time, but it is there, forever.

If you send me you husbands data, I can send you’re the draco chart. It will help with your investigations—the kids too!

Warmly,
Kim

[Amoroso]

Thanks, Kim, for offering to send my husband's and the kids Draco charts. I will email you the info privately.

Amoroso

PS Maybe there's a psychic link between you and "Chico." Your email messages were back to back. It was a very happy moment for me!

[aquariusrising2]

Kim:

In the draconic thread on the "General" part of the board, you mentioned that in (draconic) synastry, as well as natal, the conjunctions and oppositions are the most important to look at. When compaing draconic to natal in synastry do you keep a very tight orb or use the normal 10 degree? Also, on a different thread it was noted that a trine in synastry would be very much like a conjunction as it was an open flow of energy between two people. Would that apply with draconic to natal synastry as well?

It just amazes me that between all these different charts, compared together, with the same man, the theme running through them ALL is the same as the composite theme. With all the variables, that, to me, is really astonishing. (I'm sure it is not an uncommon experience)

Thanks for any reply you can give

A.R.

[Kim Falconer]

There is a “Rule of Three” in astrology. It says that if will see the “theme” repeated THREE times in a chart if it is particularly significant. This applies to synastry as well.

With DRACO ORBS, keep them tight! You are comparing a point in the zodiac here and I look particularly at conjunctions within one degree to 1.75 degrees for the most impact. I don’t think the aspects other than conjunction and opposition are as important though I wouldn’t ignore them.

It is amazing, how these themes repeat!

Kim

[Kim Falconer]

Guest- said:

PS Maybe there's a psychic link between you and "Chico." Your email messages were back to back. It was a very happy moment for me!

Well, His Mercury/Psyche is opposite my Venus and his Vesta/Ceres is on my Psyche/Moon...and that of course ties with your Venus/Sappho and Eros/Chiron...I just realized your Eros is on my Psyche exact! Well, that makes sense. I have leapt at your creative suggestions!

Warmly,
Kim

PS email me your user name and password and I will try to figure out why you can't log on again!

[aquariusrising2]

Thanks for your reply Kim

Do you look at Vertex as well? In a draco/synastry comparison, I'm showing his moon conjunct both my Pluto and Vertex. Also an exact trine with the sun to Vertex would you count that? (even though it is a trine?)

(I noticed the Astro Tutor section of the board. I think it is a great idea. I have a couple of questions I will be asking in the near future)

As always, much thanks for your time and replies.

A.R.

[Kim Falconer]

Hello Aquarius Rising,

I am glad you like the Astro-Tutor creation. It was Amoroso’s idea!

As for using the Vertex in Draco comparisons, YES! Just keep the orb tight. Realize also that if someone has a planet on your Vertex or making an aspect to it, you may not have a turning point every moment you see them (especially if you live together). Just think of how often Pomona ignored Vertumnus when he tried to capture her attention, make an impression!

You may find that when they are having a strong experience or are particularly “doing and expressing” the planet that falls on your Vertex, something goes “click” in your life…something becomes clear, something changes, something turns.

Also note that if you have a planet conjunct quite close or in a close aspect degree to your Vertex, you are going to have a multitude of experiences. You not only have an activated Vtx, but that planet, Pluto in this case, as well. His Sun trine your Pluto is a big deal and you probably will feel that quite often. (Charismatic awakenings, power concerns, intensity, magnetism, ego conflicts, deep transformations…the lot)

Watch that Sun trine Vtx and see if you can pinpoint a link there. How and when do you feel it “works”.

Kim

[Amoroso]

I really don't remember the Astro Tutor being my idea, but I have used it and will use it again. So if it was my idea, I am greatly benefitting by it!

Amoroso

[Kim Falconer]

Amoroso, it WAS your idea. You said, “Kim, I know you don’t have time to go into great depth about these charts on the forum. Can I send to funds through PayPal and get some private tutoring?”<br>
Remember?

You may not have named it Astro Tutor, but you certainly got the ball rolling!

And I am VERY grateful!

Kim

[aquariusrising2]

Kim:

Thanks for the reply about Vertex. I will be paying more attention to that point!

A.R.

[chrissymgreen]

hey guys,

astrology so rocks today! so do draconic charts, i just finished doing mine and gordon's, and i discovered something i got very excited about...in synastry, my chart ruler venus trines his chart ruler pluto. in our draconic charts, my venus conjuncts his pluto exactly! so exciting. the draco venus-pluto conjunction is in aries 11° - which is my natal mercury!

anyways, i did have a small question. i know conj/opp are the most important to look at, and the orbs need to be tight. what about when there arent exactly tight aspects, but a predominance of signs stick out? is that of special interest? for instance, im a pisces sun 28° and a sag moon 27°. his draconic sun is pisces 25° and his draco moon is sag 8°. pisces is ALL over his draco chart, but it doesnt really conjunct my natal pisces sun. is this of note, you think?


thanks guys.



sincerely,
c

[Kim Falconer]

Yes, this is of note because it shows a kind of commonality, a unity between the charts. The orientation is familiar...it is like, on a soul level, he is coming from the same "place".

The exact conjunctions and oppositions are important in the Draconic charts yet it is good to get a "feel" for the orientation of the signs, house emphasis etc.

You can look at the charts, Draco syn to natal, Draco-Draco and also very interesting to do is the Draconic composite.

I am delighted you are so enchanted by your Venus/Pluto connection, and are enjoying these Draconic discoveries.

Warmly,
Kim