Eros/Psyche conjunction

[Mary]

Hi there:

I just met a man on 5/7 and we've already seen each other twice (with plans for tomorrow as well as the weekend). Things are going surprisingly well. Here's what's going on astrologically:

His sun opposed my moon
His mars opposed my venus
His venus conjunct my decendant
His Eros conjunct my Psyche (7 and 14 Aquarius respectively)

There's more, of course, but I'm particularly intrigued by the Eros-Psyche connection. Can you provide some insight into what that could mean? I'm not all that familiar with the asteroids. Also, my sun in 25 Gemini, the degree of the venus retrograde...

Thanks for any information you can provide!

[Kim Falconer]

Hello Mary,

It is always exciting to meet someone new! I just love first dates, first deep conversations, first kisses! It’s just wonderful. Bravo!

Sun Moon oppositions in synastry are usually quite stimulating. You are naturally attuned to his solar expression and that feels comfortable (at least at first! If there are difficult moon (nurturing/mother/home/family) issues, the relationship can be very revealing but also sometimes emotionally provocative). Generally, this is an invigorating, interesting connection.

Mars-Venus is great! It’s sexy, fun and adventurous. Depending on the sign polarity, it can really activate that axis in each others charts. Mars heats up anything it contacts and Venus seduces anything & everything within orb. Put the two together and you have a signature for chemistry. (Remember, if one or both of you are not expressing the planet being activated in healty, creative ways, being around that person can remind you of it. If he isn’t able to be self determining, and if you are unclear of what makes you happy, what you value, then this contact can be challenging…good for both but challenging).

Venus on the Descendant is a natural feel, like he gets you…gets how you like to express in the world and how you view your social environment. There can be a willingness on both parts to compromise. You may have a compatible social nature. (I feel planets on angels are particularly important in synastry).

Eros/Psyche contacts in synastry carry the glory and the burden of being a “soul mate connection”. Glory, because when this aspect is expressing creatively, there is a feeling of unity worthy of the gods. Burden, because when it doesn’t express in healthy ways, it can be depressing, cold and distant…read the myth!
www.nrg.com.au/~d-falcon/Eros.htm

As I ALWAYS say, when looking at Synastry, the other person’s planets become like a set of permanent transits. What ever you activate in each other is ON while you are together. Having him near you is like (among lots of other things) having transiting Eros on your Psyche, all the time. Your feelings of extrasensory perceptions (particularly telepathy in Aquarius), urge to connect in a deep and meaningful way, love that is willing to take risks, do tasks and find new ways is lit up like the fourth of July!

The thing about synastry is that it shows the flow of pathways between two people—it shows how we project. He can act out your psyche and you can act out his Eros merging together in a profound and transformational way. It takes courage, it requires risks, it may cross into the taboo, but it will, if allowed to live out, be a magnificent adventure.

Not all people with Eros/Psyche conjunctions live out the creative, erotic and binding energy that is there in potential. It may not be possible, for many reasons, yet I would hazard to say that all people who have this contact “know” that energy is there between them, whether they chose to unleash it or not. They know it right away.

This is an auspicious time for a new meeting, be it friendship, work mates or much more. It seems you got together when Mars and Venus were conjunct within orb of your Sun! Great. What is his Sun Sign?

Warm wishes and blessings,
Kim

[Mary]

Hi Kim:

Thanks so much for getting back to me so quickly. You gave me a new way to look at the Eros/Psyche aspect, as well as synastry aspects in general.

He's a Capricorn and his birthday is 1/8/69, Van Nuys, CA. I don't know his time of birth. And my birthday is 6/16/69, 10:55 AM, Manhattan, NY.

M

[aquariusrising2]

Hi Kim and All,

I was just reading through a new thread on the board re: Eros conj Eros, Psyche conj. Psyche and it got me thinking about Eros/Psyche connections in general. This thread is the closest I could find to my question.

I'm looking at a semisextile between Eros and Psyche at under a degree. Would we look at this connection in synastry? I am guessing yes as it is a tight orb.

Any input would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks!

A.R.

[Kim Falconer]

Hi A. R.,

Yes, I would certainly count that as an aspect and do in my Eros Reports. I think you have this information there, but I'll put it up again. It's good to review the way these two asteroids can "interact" and remember what is being awakened in the individuals--namely the fusion of the inner lovers, the anima and animus inside us, the "I and thou" outside of us.

Psyche in Synastry Aspect to Eros

"To make the journey and not fall deeply in love? Well, you haven't lived a life at all."
Anthony Hopkins as Bill Parish in Meet Joe Black


Psyche in contact to Eros by synastry can feel like love sent from heaven, delivered by the angel of our dreams. No matter what else is going on with this other person, it can seem like somewhere, somehow, intimately or creatively, they are the ONE! At least, at first it can. There is a sense of attraction that goes beyond “yum”, rendering us into a kind of silent, ecstatic awe. We shake with the energy of it, so much burstings to life.

Psyche is about connections of a particular kind. It is a longing to be understood and to understand that goes beyond intuition. This asteroid represent a desire to be linked in a kind of unconscious knowing, a psychic link. Eros, of course, is erotic love, the kind of passion and desire that brings two, or more, individuals together in such a way that there is a lasting transformation. That doesn’t mean the coming together lasts. It means the effects of that union last.

Psyche and Eros by synastry can symbolize a sense of “completion” where erotic desires are met with a kind of inner knowing and receiving. It isn’t always without struggle. Read the myth. The one thing that stands clear about this kind of contact is that one does feel compelled and one is transformed. It is no guarantee of longevity or even gentleness. It can carry the force of a storm!

There is an awakening, usually in both parties, of erotic desires and psychic sensitivity. Physical attraction is often strong as is creative energy and enthusiasm. This contact is no guarantee of a lasting and fulfilling relationship, though it is often enough encouragement to unite the participants together in the attempt, at a minimum!

What is really happening here when we have this contact and it coincides with "falling in love"?

At first, it is projection.

What is this blind state of falling in love?

When we fall in love, we shoot out an arrow of psychic energy from the quiver of our unconscious. When this energy finds a person worthy of our projection (“worthy of our love”) then the energy flies back to us like one of Eros’ arrows and we are zapped. But it is not the quality of the other person who has made us fall in love, but the quantity of psychic energy projected by ourselves. --Richard Roberts, (1985). "From Eden to Eros: Origins of the Put Down of Women"

n this Jungian model, we are the combined cause and object of our falling in love. As the inner male, or animus, in every woman and the inner female, or anima, in every man seeks union with each other, so we are enraptured in the outer life by those we project our inner partner on to. Then, the dance begins.

No amount of intellectualizing about the mechanics of love, no objectivity, rationality or will, can make an experience of the “fall” any less mystical. An encounter with Eros is an encounter with ones own psyche. It is an encounter with the numinous as projected onto another.

I always think we turn away from it at our own risk.

Kim

[jade]

Hi Forum,

I have some interesting observations on the Eros/Pyche conj. with someone I had a long term relationship with (I spoke about the Saturn-Eros connection with this person on the Eros into Aq. thread.) As Venus would have her way going backward bound, last night I was an emotional wreck, given to reveries and idealizations (Enya's new cd didn't help!). I think some of the connections and transits explain why, but also the myth of Orpheus plays largely here. As a background...

His Eros/Psyche mp is conjunct my Eros in 12th. When we met many, many years ago, I had been on a camping trip alone. He came to me in my dreams and told me he loved me. So, I knew before he actually verbalized it.

His Orpheus-Eurydice is conjunct my Sun and Eros/Psyche mp. His Apollo is conj. my Venus-Eurydice. His "Sunshine" is conjunct my Sun. I used to call him "my sunshine"...before I ever knew what an asteroid was.

Our Eros/Psyche mp is conjunct my Venus, his Apollo. All opp. my Vertex, his Neptune, my Neptune.

Interesting too is the Fortuna/Chiron connection. His Fortuna is exact conj. my Chiron, and Fortuna by 3 deg.

His Fortuna: 25.53
My Chiron: 25.51

This makes a trine aspect to my Eros/Mars/Asc. in Gemini and his Eros/Psyche mp. All in all, it was fortunate, but then there is his Orpheus....

"Orpehus greave long and deep. He decided to go down into the underworld and retrieve Eurydice. Eurydice was to follow Orpheus out of the underworld, but there was one stipulation given by Hades. Orpheus was to not look back. But he did look back, and he lost
her all over again".

Life seems to play larger than Myth (those words just seemed to pop out), but after many twists and turns of the dial, after three years this person came back. He said, "you always had my heart". In my heart too I was so happy that we could finally be together and that he would help heal what I had had to heal alone. Even though he had wounded me so deeply, I still loved him. It was like I'd written in my journal "I can't help myself."

In our story though, a wound was opened again (Eros-Chiron-Saturn. He opened an old wound in me and I could see at that moment, I would not be truely able to heal with him.). We are not together now. I think the tradgedy of Orpheus was that "he looked back". In looking back he did not show a trusting, or faith in love. This was his weakness. He looked to see if he were loved enough still (by repeating old patterns), and yet, for him, Eurydice had gone down into the underworld, where she was requried to delve the taverns deep. Now, she would go there still and would wonder when she would emerge again, for Her Apollo had been like the light of the sun...a tiny pin point of light at the end of the tunnel. Such faith though, she would be required again to place in self. That is the tradgey of love lost, of Orpheus and Eurydice, yet maybe in the long run the gift of Fortuna.

Blessings, Jade


Make that "caverns" deep......!

[Kim Falconer]

Thanks for sharing that, Jade.

Yes, the myths can play our in out lives as vital and strong as when they first were spoken, first experienced.

" Throughout the inhabited world, in all times and under every circumstance, the myths have flourished; and they have been the living inspiration for whatever else may have appeared out of the activities of the human body and mind. It would not be too much to say that myth is the secret opening through which the inexhaustible energies of the cosmos pour into human cultural manifestation." –Joseph Campbell

Of course, there is more to the myth of Orpheus. When he is finally torn to pieces by the Maenads, he descends into the underworld where they are reunited to wander the peaceful hills and valleys, playing music and dancing, for eternity.

I think their love was too rarefied for 'human life'...it can only flourish in another realm.

Enya has a new CD? I must have a listen!

Happy New Year,
Kim

[jade]

Hi Kim,


"Yes, the myths can play out in our lives as vital and strong as when they first were spoken, first lived"

I take this to mean then, that a person's astrological chart personifies certain mythic themes, and that certain persons, being permanent transits, elicite certain themes as well? The astrolgical chart as a "personal myth" came to mind the other day, and perhaps this has been obvious, but I'd never thought of it that way before.

I'd like to know also if you can suggest any resources that might reference myths and enlightenment together from an overall view....how myths portray the processes of coming to consciousness.

Happy New Year also! I saw a blip on the fire works
in Sydney on a morning show out if N.Y.. New year not here yet. I'm in Calif., about one hour east of L.A. It's raining today.

Best, Jade

[Kim Falconer]

Jade, that's spot on, your clarity of how the chart shows mythic themes and how different people elicit different ones. Yes, the chart shows personal myths, but also family, collective and world myths too. Think of the social (Jupiter-Saturn) and transpersonal (Chiron-Sedna and out!) planets. The awaken themes of generational, cultural and possibly 'trans-world' mythologies!

More on myths and consciousness (all the 'heroes journeys are about awakening consciousness and individuation!) soon---off to work now in the tropical heat!!!

Warmly,
Kim

[jade]

Well Kim,

I just lost my post, but I came across a book in my library..."New Insights on Modern Astrology". In it Liz Greene is describing Archetypes and how there is always a point to them (now I understand what you meant by "there was more to the story" between Orpheus and Eurydice).

Anyway, a great read! Jade

[Lisagirl]

Kim,
This is fascinating. I'd be interested to know what you think of the following:
- His Eros conjunct my Moon in Sag; my Eros conjunct his Sun and Saturn in Aquarius. (My Moon is sextile my Eros, so also sextile his Sun-Saturn).
- His Psyche in Scorpio square my Eros (two-degree orb) and conjunct my Venus (again, two-degree orb--I have an exact Venus-Eros square).
- His Venus conjunct my Sun-Mercury in Capricorn.
- His Mars and mine in EXACT square, Leo (him)-Scorpio (me). His Mars is widely opposite my Eros (7-degree orb). My Mars is widely conjunct his Psyche (6-degree orb).

If this is too many questions, I'd be interested to hear your answer to whichever aspects jump out at you. This is a friend of mine who lives far away, who is attracted to me and vice-versa, whom I keep having dreams about. He has the Moon somewhere between 0 and 14 Leo--I don't know his birthtime.

[Kim Falconer]

Hello Lisagirl,

It is too many questions for me at once as I don't have time for lengthy delineations on the forum. If you want a fuller understanding of your Eros contacts by synastry and composite, consider getting an Eros report. You can read about them here on the forum via the link from my site. www.nrg.com.au/~d-falcon/Eros.htm (look under the Eros pages)

The Eros reports are summations of the insights that are in my Eros book (still unpublished) so they are a way for me to get the information out in an accessible manner for the reader.

Meanwhile, let's just take the Eros/Moon contact and contrast it with the Eros/Sun contact for an example, remembering that when you 'wake up' his Sun, you also wake up his Saturn!

Eros in Synastry Aspect with the Sun

Love is like the sun: it has its inner energy source that shines on you. Helene Lagerberg
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When Eros and the Sun meet in the synastry, sparks can fly and egos ignite. There is a sense of competitiveness, ambition and demand that may or may not sit well with the merging attributed of the god of love. The Sun wants to define itself as a unique and singular individual; Eros wants to define itself through merging and union with another.

Sometimes the contact between the Sun and Eros in two separate charts can help one or both individuals become more conscious of their potent erotic side. It may put the spotlight on intimacy making it an important part of the mutual rapport.

Conversely, Sun/Eros contacts can make the individuals split into a dynamic of yeah and neigh. One person may want very much to experience Eros and the merging of energy it implies. The other may find this invasive and pull further and further back into a defense of distinction, autonomy and rational clarity.

The squares, conjunctions, oppositions and inconjuncts tend to reflect more disparity between the individuals where the trines and sextiles can be more likely to indicate affinity and merging. Either way, the relationship is bound to have some sense of competitiveness. This may be highly creative, especially if the couple is willing to use the inherent stimulus to find clarity and distinction in all their creative pursuits together.

The sign, aspects and house position of each person’s Sun and Eros need consideration before coming to any conclusions about this contact. If one person’s Sun is conjunct Saturn and the other persons Eros is opposite Pluto, the contact will be quite different than if the Sun was conjunct Jupiter and Eros opposite Venus. This is not to say it would be better or even easier. It would simply be different.

When Eros touches the Sun, the energy of both the Sun and Eros awaken between the two people involved and they will want to expend this abundant energy in some way. Joint creative projects and mutual activities are possible and lacking those, the couple may clash or simply find they have little energy for each other. The Sun tends to do nothing by halves and, when stimulated, needs somewhere to shine. If the stage is big enough, Sun/Eros may shine in unison although probably not without mutual effort, goals and a mature sense of integrity.

Eros in Synastry Aspect with the Moon

What I have done is yours; what I have to do is yours; being part in all I have, devoted yours.-- William Shakespeare

When the Moon and Eros join forces, emotions rise as feelings pour forth into a vessel of passion, creativity, unconscious longings and past desires. Eros and the Moon tend to feel, alike and where their ground is common their power to evoke passion and mutual merging is great.

Anytime the Moon is activated in a Synastry chart, one or both individuals will come into contact with their emotional nature. The result of this connection will depend entirely on the development and condition of their inner worlds respectively.

Those with emotional challenges and damaged feelings, as may be reflected in hard outer planet aspects to the natal Moon, may find someone coming along and stimulating those crippled sensitivities uncomfortable at best. Conversely, those with more or less processed feelings and in current touch with their inner world will probably find an encounter with Eros nurturing, comforting and exquisitely stimulating. Again, a lot will depend on the individual's relationship to their personal feeling world at the time of contact.

When Eros is stimulated and the Moon comfortably nurtured, the union can have profound effects. Touched in this way, we feel known, understood and fostered. The sense of security is intense leaving the individual ready, willing and able to take the risks Eros requires. The result may not be happy ever after although we will most likely be thoroughly transformed.

Even when Eros touches a damaged Moon, and the very nature of the moon suggests the best placed one has experienced some degree of wounding, the contact can have a healing and soothing effect. Depending on the nature of the relationship and the overall comparison of the charts, Eros may bring to the Moon a sense of zest and validity that was previously lacking. The Moon, on the other hand, may bring to Eros a feeling of security, protection and immunity form the harsher elements of life. Together the two may then enter the depths of intimacy leaving them both with a sense of immediate rapport and lasting transformation.

The contacts with a particularly difficult Moon can be disruptive, as when there is a great deal of emotional repression or unresolved feelings. Eros here will awaken feelings that sit neither well or softly. The results can be a flood of anger, hurt, rage and sorrow. Those with this Moon may instinctively avoid deep contacts with those who have planets and bodies in aspect to it. It is like having a broken toe and wanting to avoid an oncoming herd of horses. The pain is too great, and they will not want it aggravated.

Can anyone add a personal experience of Eros/Sun and/or Eros Moon?

I hope this helps.

Kim

[Lisagirl]

Thank you. Very interesting stuff. I have also experienced, in fact am currently experiencing, a relationship where my Eros squares his Sun/Saturn (what is it with me and men with Sun/Saturn conjunctions?!)... and this thing that you said certainly rings a bell: "one person may want very much to experience Eros and the merging of energy it implies. The other may find this invasive and pull further and further back into a defense of distinction, autonomy and rational clarity."

[Lisagirl]

PS, since you asked for personal experiences, I thought back a bit and remembered that in college I went out for a year and a half with a man whose natal Eros-Moon conjunction was tightly conjunct my natal Sun-Mercury conjunction. My Eros didn't hit any personal planets or points of his; it was widely square his Saturn, though. But that experience makes me think that the conjunction between Eros and a personal planet heightens the intensity, but not so much the stress or tension, of the contact. In other words a conjunction may be a hard aspect, but it doesn't feel like a square does... it's not "hard" in the same way. I didn't experience the relationship as him trying to merge (Eros) and me trying to individuate (Sun)... in other words it didn't feel like the potentially negative/conflictual version of a Sun-Eros interaspect. That boyfriend and I were madly in love with each other. To explain our breakup, it helps to know that transiting Uranus was going back and forth over exact conjunction with his Eros-Moon/my Sun-Mercury during the entire time we were going out and breaking up...! Yes, it was very volatile. But/and very transformative.

[Kim Falconer]

Thanks for the comments on these synastry contacts, Lisagirl.

I think it's the consideration of both theory and actual experiences that gives meaning to the astrological symbols.

And, welcome to the forum. Please take the time to join up as the numbers are increasing to the point that soon only members will be able to post and ask queries.

Thanks again for the input!

Kim

PS What's with you and Saturn/Sun men? hmmmmmmmmm Where is Capricorn in your chart? Where is Saturn?