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Post by Amoroso on Apr 25, 2006 12:52:36 GMT
I have been wanting to introduce this asteroid for months, but was finally prompted to do it by PM's quote on another thread. She wrote:
"[God/ess] did not create all these things in order to leave them idle The stars and the planets are not idle... the sea is in constant motion, the earth likewise is not idle.. what is naturally consumed within her, she renews and refashions forthwith, if not in one way then in another. Everything including the exterior of the Earth exerts itself to bring something forth, likewise, the interior and the Matrix strains itself in order to reproduce" (La Rochelle, 1563)
Pele, the Hawaiian Goddess of the volcanoes, introduced herself to me in mid-January of this year. I don't remember how it happened. It was an unfolding I suppose, of reading and a new meditation. She is the personification of the internal forces of the earth. PM's quote seemed to lead into this beautifully.
By nature she is impetuous, lusty and capable of sudden fury. Yet she can quickly become gentle, loving, and serene. She inspires awe and wonder in her worshipers. She is a goddess who ALLOWS the life force to flow through her, animating, changing and transforming all she contacts. Her supreme power is in creating new life from the old.
She sounds like she is related to Eros, Pluto, the 8th house and Scorpio, although as I write this She seems to be reminding me that She is the Feminine face of these forces.
One website I consulted had this to say: "Perhaps this fiery goddess and her illuminating ways are a reflection of our authentic journey home to ourselves. Maybe this is a journey of our collective unconscious, arising form the depths of darkness, burning in the fires of illumination, rising from the ashes like the phoenix."
Pele's appearance signals a need for some kind of awakening or deep understanding of some major element of your life.
It is interesting. I felt for some time that there was more to my natal Pluto-Mars opposition than my chart was revealing. It turns out that Pele is at 4 Virgo, DIRECTLY opposite Mars at 4 Pisces!
I will return to this thread to talk about what that might mean later. Does this archetype resonant with anyone else?
Blessings,
Amoroso
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Post by primamateria on Apr 25, 2006 13:14:42 GMT
ooh Amoroso! thank you for such a wonderful introduction to Goddess Pele - she rocks!
I have her conjunct Saturn in 11 at 3 degres of Taurus - no such thing as coincidences eh?
also - I just checked the dwad/interpretation for 4 degrees of Pisces (Ari-2, Aqu-12) and it reads;
"Original, pioneering thoughts and actions. Active. Strives to develop the talents, knowledge, and resources necessary to make his/her own individual contribution to society"
so it makes sense that you were inspired to write about her today!
joy! pm
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Post by tom on Apr 25, 2006 18:08:14 GMT
i love this archetype - thanks for starting this dialogue!
allowing the life force to flow through...the personification of the forces of the earth...
mine's at 12 taurus in the 8th, conjunct aphrodite, opposite my sun-juno-cupid in scorpio in the 2nd. i see this - the enormity of what i know is available in certain kinds of intense interaction (8th house stuff) has, well, frightened me, but i'm all about approaching it - i want it. but opposing the sun - the feeling that i'll dissolve if i really go there. but i know i have to.
i just went to look at the peles of some women i've been involved with - my most-recent ex has hers at 29 libra 51 in her 8th, precisely on my adonis in my 1st, to the minute (adonis is conjunct ceres at 0 scorpio 58 and the anti-vertex at 1 scorpio 58). we're trying to learn to be friends, but there is much anger and inadvertent button-pushing between us...and a lack of maturity in communication at times...
a woman i seem to be perhaps dating has hers at 29 libra 16 in her 5th, also on that adonis.
(yesterday i was reading about adonis here and on the web - i guess it's time for me to get in touch with these two archetypes!)
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Post by jamma on Apr 25, 2006 19:06:04 GMT
Amoroso -- thanks once again for opening new doors! ... Having lived in Hawaii, I don't know how I could've overlooked Pele ... but that seems to be the case for me these days -- losing sight of the obvious ... My natal Pele turns out to be conjunct Jupiter (and, incidentally, conjunct MM's Moon, just 8 minutes apart) at 27 Scorpio ... Just before moving to Maui in 1992, I had a dream of being carried there in the arms of a 20-ft tall Hawaiian girl, dressed in a school uniform, who walked over the ocean ... After I had been on the island for a few months, I saw a limited edition poster of the girl from my dream "grown up" -- a larger than life woman whom I instantly recognized as the goddess of the Islands ... Pele, serene yet potent, holding the tension of the four elements -- liquid fire, propelled by air, coming to rest as the nurturing earth -- until the cycle begins anew... Today, a copy of the poster, elegantly framed, hangs above my bed ... J P.S. Here's the image, minus the wording from the poster, which, coincidentally, commemorated the 150th anniversary of the Lahainaluna School (that uniform she was wearing!):  |
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Post by Amoroso on Apr 26, 2006 19:27:01 GMT
Jamma,
What a great picture--love it! I found a website that sells Goddess jewelry with stones in female shapes, and there is actually a "Pele" stone--black in color.
PM--where do you get those Dwad interpretations? Will try to write more here soon!--Amoroso
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Post by primamateria on Apr 27, 2006 1:28:18 GMT
Hi Amoroso - I have a book called 'New Foundations for Astrology' (David and Gina Cochrane) which gives an interpretation for every degree, based on a combination of dwad/nav and decanate and research into the mystical symbols from the Sabians to Charubel's and the Sepharial set . pm  |
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Post by gemstar on Apr 27, 2006 15:23:23 GMT
Thanks Amoroso for bringing this interesting asteroid to our attention! Pele is located for me at 9th h Leo-12...widely conj my MC-Leo 19! 10th h Eros Leo-23 (sq 7th Venus Taurus-23) is nearby and as soon as I saw it, it felt like a volcano waiting to erupt and show it's force at the top pf my chart!!! Because it is in my 9th and so close to my MC....it feels like energy which wants to have a voice, delivering ideas to the world and the power it unveils to me is really exciting! All of my life, I have felt the desire to do something BIG. To really believe in myself and trust that I KNOW my way. It is about breaking through to be all that I can be! I can feel it inside of me and Pele seemed to speak to me as that energy which is mighty in it's strength and also feminine in power. And just like an 'internal force' wanting to intentionally erupt into the worldly skies!! Jamma-that is a REALLY COOL poster you have....just beautiful in her energy and love....such an interesting piece!! Thanks again Amoroso! Primamateria....would you have the dwad interp handy for Leo-12? I am curious as to it's interpretation and if it matches my thoughts (or closely?). Thanks!! Hugs- GemStar |
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Post by Amoroso on Apr 28, 2006 20:27:06 GMT
Gemstar,
I'm so glad you resonate to Her!
And I just read that She is honored for her powers of unity, protection, creativity and change on June 11th in Hawaii.
June 11th is my birthday!!!!!! My birthday and Pele's festival! Well, gosh, don't need a neon sign for that one, huh!
I keep moaning and groaning about the fact that Saturn has parked on my MC, which of course, is opposite the IC, and we have certainly had Saturnian issues with work, house repairs and health, all handled so far with wisdom and patience. Then yesterday an on-going issue with my mother's living situation came up, which will need alot of my attnetion, although my brother is doing a good job with it, and we also received a notice from the Juvenile court about our son being in a local park with his girlfriend AFTER HOURS--OH QUEL HORROR! He and his girlfriend were in the park ten minutes after it closed, and the officer cited them and is hauling us into court for a "warning."
Sometimes you just gotta laugh and render unto Ceasar what Ceasar is due. But the point of this is, I slipped into a quick meditation, acknowledging Pele and her power to change. I envisioned a volcano erupting and hot lava spewing over the land, and from that hot lava, green things growing. And you know, things are going to be ok. It was definitely a different manner of handling things and I felt good about it.
Blessings,
Amoroso
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Post by tom on Apr 28, 2006 20:47:16 GMT
back here with pele - i keep thinking about this archetype. i went back to some synastry and thought i'd share what i found. not sure if it belongs on the synastry board or not. i'll move it if so.
1. the two women i keep writing about on this board have their peles on my adonis. already mentioned in my reply above, but i keep coming back to this - what i get from reading about adonis is not listening (aphrodite told him not to fight animals that have weapons, etc.). i know there's more to the story, but that's what keeps coming to me. my brain is interpreting this to be about being in touch with the part of each of them that's the forces of the earth personified...which is generally speaking something i'm looking for, i realize. but what's the adonis connection in there? my inestimable beauty triggers their forces-of-the-earth-personified? any comments on this from the gallery?
2. the vertex connection woman from 1.5 years ago has her pele on my south node, and my pele is on our composite south node (both less than a degree of orb), which is also our descendant (a degree into the 7th).
being in physical contact with her broke a lot of my containment, my self-defined boundaries of what being close to someone could be like (but i mean should). when i first touched her i felt everything under my surface begin moving. we would have these long hugs that were akin to substance-induced travel/tripping, and we used to say that it was the universe coming to know itself by our interaction. so just thinking about the forces in each of us during those times and looking at the pele connection.
there was also a time on a walk when i started telling her about the ocean, sudden poetry. it was about how i'd go to the venice pier to acknowledge the sun, building & maintaining a relationship with the sun - it was a worship and i never talked about it then. but i would always tune into the energy under the ocean when i was there and feel very moved, very emotional, reverent. so i spontaneously told her about this, and she was melting, and for some reason i put my hand on her lower abdomen for all of this, so that i was (it seemed) talking this earth-worship poetry into her womb or something. it was crazy.
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Post by gemstar on Apr 28, 2006 21:18:07 GMT
Hey Tom...I think those are lovely thoughts! I lived in Malibu on PCH in the early-mid 90s and have always liked the 'energy' that is located there around the Pier area. Additionally, I have always felt this strong energy up above on the main drag below 3rd St Promenade (Ocean?)...above the Hwy there. That stretch of green grass and park setting was always a great spot to feel the warmth of the sun setting-and yes, a relationship with the Sun is a great description!!!! Just great energies in that area of Los Angeles.....thanks for reminding me!! And funny thing, I met a dear friend here in Florida, years later, who used to live there and attended UCLA in the 70s.....and he meditated (his Sun worship) on that very lawn each Friday!! Actually, he left TODAY in fact to start a new job on Monday...back in LA. So I guess I have had it on my mind for a while.....missing parts and forgetting the long congested lines of traffic on the 405! Now onto your post....the two gals' Peles on your Adonis....perhaps you are meant to better understand your own beauty.....meaning....the true feminine side that both men and women have....feeling 'grounded' with the earthiness and heat-centeredness which this feminine goddess force evokes within you. Feeling comfortable with the 'baseness' of your physicality....and beauty as seen in the eyes of the beholders...not necessarily your eyes. Perhaps these two came along to stoke the embers of your Adonis powers....even if you never felt that way before! How ultra-fab! My Pele is wide-orb to my dearest desire of a man's Vertex. Perhaps too wide to count but it is just about 7 degrees.....the heat is there...powerful and I am curious if Pele is responsible for part of this.....I liked your description of 'connecting' in deep ways with the one....breaking through self-defined boundaries is the most wonderful experience. It is not often we come in contact with someone who can move us in such a way....a way in which BOTH people swim to depths previously unknown as the Universe opens her arms......Pele certainly must have her hand in such an interaction.....no doubt! Hugs- GemStar |
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Post by gemstar on Apr 28, 2006 21:28:08 GMT
Amoroso-JUNE 11th!! WOW....I have a good friend here with that BDay and my love's BDay is the 12th! Hooray! Now how do I find a celebration as exciting as PELE on that special day!! How totally cool are you??!!  Your meditation certainly was beautiful as the bright green, young sprouts of life find their way amidst the blackness of the hardened lava.....strength has been calling you for some time and your patience is admirable! Tr Saturn is 10 degrees from my MC and I try not to worry that I have done something wrong along the way of careers. But, as you illustrated.....whether is it elderly parent issues, juvenile court appearances for examples sake etc....the Universe puts in a little humor so we all have tales to tell!! Life would be terribly boring without such sillies (though more like PIAs....)!! Hang in there Amoroso....you are doing just fine!! Hugs- GemStar |
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Post by jamma on Apr 29, 2006 7:22:51 GMT
You guys! ... Tom and Gem, you are making me so homesick!
I used to live in Santa Monica during my artist days ...
And as a teenager, I spent many weekends cruising PCH from Venice north to Big Rock ...
In my 30s, drinks at the Malibu Charthouse or, if feeling more Rockford File-ish, Paradise Cove ... I remember standing on the edge of the water there, looking southwest, trying to send my heart to Hawaii ...
later, long drives up the coast from the South Bay to visit my dying mother in Santa Barbara...
listening to Chris Isaak on the way back, going home to a man I didn't love ... hoping the man in Hawaii wasn't just playing a Wicked Game ...
Sheesh -- who knew that PCH would turn out to be Memory Lane? ...
I've always felt fiercely proprietory about the Pacific ...
Could it be the Pele in me who wants to say right now: "So glad you all enjoy my ocean" ... ?
Aloha nui loa ...
J
P.S. Amoroso -- have I mentioned that long, intense relationship I had with a Gemini? His bday was June 11! ...
so much synchronicity afoot ...
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Post by gemstar on Apr 29, 2006 11:51:20 GMT
Wow....how many times have I driven the Canyons listening to Chris Isaak's Wicked Game.....(and after first hearing this New Artist FIRST SING in in the courtyard of Warner Bros Records in Burbank to celebrate his album!!) I dated a VP from that record company and had some really cool experiences in the music industry!
OOoo...Paradise Cove....I lived next to MoonShadows on PCH......As tr Pluto crossed my ASC in 1990, (I didn't know what transits were -- havng not graduated past LGoodman's SunSigns book) I was visiting my college roomate and driving with her down Sunset through Pacific Palisades....and as one corner was turned along the drive (near a Zen Garden in a valley below), I KNEW this is where I was supposed to be....I KNEW that I was to move to this area and experience the energies of So. California. It would be a cross-country move of over 3500 miles for me from my birthplace......I was determined and set a goal of having a good job in three months time.....and did it!
Earthquakes, Rodney King riots, Malibu mudslides and huge Fires.....what a time!!
Now where is my Chris Isaak CD?? Hmmm....
Hugs-
GemStar
PS-and for some reason, I heard Maxi Priest's 'Just wanna be close to You' song....this one also reminds me of those early days when the coolness of the air in West LA would surround me as I drove to an early morning Farmer's Market in Santa Monica....Ahhhhh. I just began to think of it over the last two weeks and only after my friend told me that he was moving back.....so many memories from then....and at the same time, I feel so far removed from that life as well.....wow.
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Post by blueorchids on Apr 29, 2006 14:09:27 GMT
Wow! Amoroso, Gemstar, Jamma.... Thank you for bringing this asteroid forward. I have never lived in Hawaii but I did live in Santa Cruz, California once. And the feeling of running through those gigantic, enormously tall redwoods and watching the surf come crashing in on dark mornings..well let's just say that was one of the rare moments of my life that I recall feeling entirely sensuously and sensually tied to nature.
GemStar what you say so resonated with me, and then I went to search for my Pelle placement, and guess where it is? Zero degrees Libra. My Midheaven is Libra 1! My SUN is Gemini Zero (thus tight tight trine) and my Mercury Gemini 6 (all that obssessive desire to yak yak).
I have spent most my life pushing any and all spotlight away, but alas, I think I am finally getting the message all over the place. Get out there and make it happen!! LOL.
PS my Pelle is widely conjunct Doc's libra moon, IC, Cupido and Pelle....
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Post by tom on Aug 17, 2006 23:13:50 GMT
i'm watching pele transits in general, but reviving this because of something that happened last night:
did a trade with a bodyworker. toward the end of the massage she gave me, she put a thing against my forehead, some sacred geometrical object. immediately i felt held in place from below, and felt my energy field sink to meet the earth. being drawn to the earth, but just my torso & head. my legs were free of this.
it felt magnetic - and nothing left me, but i felt stretched downward and was rooted or weighted in the earth. i knew that when i stood up things would shift, when my legs were under me. i felt this solid, wide-openness, and i felt - FELT - the earth energy instead of just acknowledging that my perceptual faculties were picking up something that is earth energy. i couldn't walk straight and couldn't tell how big i was, and also was tipsy with all the gunk released into my bloodstream from muscles.
but i told her what was happening during it, and this is what she said: hmm, that's interesting. i've never used that on anyone before. it's not used on people, but for healing the earth. i don't know why your body wanted it, but i just did what it wanted me do. i don't know of anyone who uses it on people.
so i got on one of my soapboxes: humans are extensions of the earth, we're made of earth and a part of the earth. the life on earth is part of the earth, and what you do to your body and other bodies, you do to the earth. so, if you want to heal the earth, heal people. she loved this, and we talked about some of our ideas about healing.
a few minutes ago i decided to look at my chart for something and saw that pele is transiting my juno-lucifer-sun in the 2nd. i wonder if when the nausea and yucky feeling of releasing so much toxic stuff into my system passes if i'll retain this feeling of clarity - i felt like i could talk with the earth last night, and maybe even now (the next channeling session will confirm or deny quickly), but i felt so sick i just went home and went to bed.
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