Soulmate indicators?

[sunshine9]

Hi everyone,

I'm new to this forum, but I've been nuts about astrology for as long as I can remember! I've been getting into synastry these past few months, and just learned about asteroids, and how they can impact the synastry between two individuals.

I wanted to ask what asteroids (and asteroid aspects) should one look for in particular, in synastry, to figure out if one's love could be a soulmate. I saw your page on the indicators of compatibility, Kim, and noted that Adonis contacts, for one, indicate a potent tie and "spellbound love". I've also JUST become aware of the name-asteroids; do these have any such significance?

Thanks!
[shadow=maroon,left,300]Sunshine[/shadow]

[Amoroso]

Dear Sunshine,

There is a thread on this forum on name asteroids. The name asteroids DO seem to have some significance in that they add an extra sense of awareness to the energies they aspect.

Where they appear in the natal, synastry and composites can be absolutely amazing.

If you can't find the exact name, look for the one with the closest phoenetic spelling or even "feeling" when you read it.

Have fun!
Amoroso

[Kim Falconer]

The topic of "soul Mates" is quite interesting. Sometimes I think it is a massive can of worms!

I'd like to explore this concept but first, could everyone interested here give us a sentence or two about what they believe a "soul mate" is. Then we can start to see how the idea of "soul Mate" may be reflected in the charts.

For a fun article on the topic with Dr. Z's "top 6" indicators of a "soul Mate go here:

astrology.about.com/od/beyondsunsigns1/a/soulmate.htm

I'll comment on his top "6" and more once we have a consensus on what we mean when we say, Soul Mate.

: Kim
PS and yes, name asteroids are remarkable "red flags" that, if nothing else, get our attention!

[marie]

Hi Kim and Everyone!

As far as soulmates are concerned, first I'd say that I believe that we can have more than one over the course of our lifetime, and that, they can also be our friends. They are people that come into our lives that make a huge impact on us, and not always a beautiful one. They bring transformation and we share deep feelings for each other.

I believe that my first husband is one of my soulmates, even though there is much enemity between us now. We were meant to be together to bring our children to this earth with just the right genetic and karmic ingredients to make them who they are.

I have had relationships with men that have many of the top six soulmate clues Dr. Z lists.

I feel that my friends are my soulmates in that they are deep and old in feeling, and bring connection to my soul's destiny and theirs.

Now maybe, these relationships can be considered different than actual soulmates; I'm not sure. Demi-soulmates?

Maybe not everyone has a soulmate in their present life, I don't know. That said, I crave a soulmate that gives me and that person the beauty and love that nurtures us eternally.

Bridget Marie

[svenskasfinx]

Soulmates? Well the problem of that is exactly what others have brought up, a large can of worms, and other goodies.

I get the impression because we are constantly learning this idea of soulmates, or souls destined to be together is about a learning process (often with a learning process its not all about love and pleasure but about suffering and tragic things shared as well as learning how to become a better person at the end of the process)

For me I suspect I have been given a vast amount of choice which could be good for me or confusing for me..but so many were compatable with me, and yet I restricted my behaviours..because I need to hold out for someone who was on my "pathway" of growth or at least going in the direction.

Funny thing about this idea of Soulmates is that we are for the most part passing into each other's circle and touching their lives more and more, so that person who you have a strong atraction for from a distance could have been someone you knew as a royal pressence in a time long before you were born, and your own child may have been a mate of yours as well... only we are here to develop a new perspective on that kind of love.

Even people who have killed each other in the past, come back and are often with each other again (probably for a lesson, or because of the obsession)... so all souls we knew at one time or another including animals are on a progressive journey and are what most consider "soulmates" or potentially so.

Just thought I'd say something about this; it goes along with the astrology thing too, as with most composites and synastry, as was pointed out to me (I should talk about my son's synastry one day!)

Anyway I'm around reading but not always answering, sorry.

Take care all,

svenskasfinx

[Amoroso]

I totally agree with Sveskasfinx and am impressed with how well she verbalized things. (I still think Sappho shines through your writing, although I am hard-pressed to verbalize why. There is sort of a dreamy quality to the way you express yourself.)

This past year I've read a lot about "soulmates" and "twin souls," given my experience of C. It looks like many authors are explaining their own experiences of love and or making cases for various data collected.

I do think that the idea of "soulmate" is a reflection of our primordial urge to return to the Source, be that God, Goddess, Creator, Mother, whatever has taken root in our pysches.

I think our families of origin as well as life long firends could be "soul mates,' people from whom we draw the lessons that move us closer to authenticity.

That being said, I looked at the article Kim suggested and I have most of the contacts, including double whammies, with my husband, C., and several close family members. Yes, I would say all these people are my soul mates, or, to paraphrase Plato in a quote Kim used for me in a reading, "we are all from the same choir."

I must admit, though, there is something extremely special and unique about the relationship with C. that shows up in other astrological ways in addition to the ones represented in the article.

Amoroso

[Amoroso]

Dear Scorpy Moon and Marie,

Somehow I missed your also eloquent thoughts which seem to mirror mine--so sorry I didn't catch them the first time around.

Amoroso

[aquariusrising2]

I agree with what is stated above, by all. I think we have different soulmates which fulfill different areas in our lives. My best friend is a soul mate, she fulfills a certain kind of learning and kinship. I believe my mother is a soulmate. I believe we have many soul mates who pop into our lives when we need them most. For good or ill. I also believe we have karmic connections with people. Unfinished business so to speak. I think there can be a powerful attraction there as well. I don't think unfinished business necessarily equates with a soulmate all the time. (Personally, I'm still waiting to meet a soulmate I can be romantically involved with ;D Maybe soon!)

I love those 6 soulmate clues on Dr. Z's sight! And Scorpymoon, I have that book and I also got a kick out of "You two are soulmates." After a dramatic pause she continued, "And soulmates often kill each other." I believe Steven Forrest is a Capricorn! (I think I read it somewhere)

A.R.

[Kim Falconer]

Soul Mate consensus:

Here is a summation of our thoughts on soul-mates. I think it’s not so much a can of worms after all—we seem to, for the most part, agree!

Now, what astrological configurations reflect this kind of bond?

1. Psycher & Eros

I have to start with Eros and Psyche. I have written many articles and even a book on “why”!

A connection here by synastry or in the composite (especially conjunct in the composite) is a potent starter.

Has anyone ever had a Psyche/Eros contact with someone and NOT felt “anything”?

What other contacts can we include to this list? (Maybe mention why you are adding them)

Happy reflecting!
Kim

[darrah19]

mmm... this is gonna be a great discussion, I can feel it in my bones!

I do have a couple of starter questions, Kim.

1) what sort of orbs are we talking about? my eros is conjunct someone's eros and psyche. the orb betw. the two eroses is 2 degrees, and the orb with my eros and his psyche is 5. is that too wide?

2) also, a soulmate doesn't have to be the same age, right? there can be a large age gap? (and funny, like you said elsewhere, we have a two-way chiron-venus connection too and yes, the age AND the distance is working here as well, I'm sure, to keep us 'apart').

anyway, yes, I HAVE felt this connection. and boy, is it potent! it's not even a strictly sexual thing. it's more... of this kaboom! sort of feeling that came over both of us I think. and we were both totally unprepared for it (because we knew of our age gap beforehand and were prepared for a different sort of interaction). but it was wierd and wonderful - this connection. I felt as if I'd known him forever. when we met -- we kept looking into each other's eyes when talking. and there was something in his gaze -- a sort of searching look that, if anyone else was looking at me like that, I'd have felt a bit irritated, you know? but here, I felt... overwhelmed and... sort of... captured. well, nothing really happened. we met and we talked and talked and talked! incessantly. I am not normally touchy feely. but I was, with him and vice versa. again, not strictly sexual, but *sensual*. and just this side of platonic.

and later on, after we parted and came home, there was this sense of loss and yet... gain! and then when we were talking, without any prompting, he said those exact words back to me -- that he felt as if we'd known each other forever. I felt... I *feel* humbled. I don't know where this is heading, or if it's even headed anywhere (probably not, considering), but the simple fact that something like this *happened* is enough to make me sit up and pay heed!

[sunshine9]

Hi,

Kim, question is, do Eros-Psyche sextiles & trines count too, or is it mainly the conjunctions? (I've got a sextile & trine with someone). How does this feel different from a Mars-Venus contact?

Dar, you mentioned feeling like you'd known each other before - sounds like a South Node contact, perhaps?! Unless that is also a quality of Eros-Psyche conjunctions; I don't know much about this. I do know how a Venus-South Node conjunction feels though, and it does indeed feel like you've known each other from some distant past.

[shadow=purple,left,300]Sunshine[/shadow]

[svenskasfinx]

Kim said:

Now, what astrological configurations reflect this kind of bond?

1. Psycher & Eros

I have to start with Eros and Psyche. I have written many articles and even a book on “why”!

A connection here by synastry or in the composite (especially conjunct in the composite) is a potent starter.

Has anyone ever had a Psyche/Eros contact with someone and NOT felt “anything”?

What other contacts can we include to this list? (Maybe mention why you are adding them)

Ok Kim so far so good, I was also thinking about one other mythology though: Isis (42) Osiris (1923) the contacts with these are interesting.. I think there has been ONE I have had in a composite conjunction with.

I however found TWO people who I have a composite contact of Eros (433) and Psyche (16) with.. and I have been in love with both of them for a very long time... one even longer than he can know. (my husband and someone else )

Thanks for bringing up this idea of "soulmate contacts" The Mythologies are there for a reason...

take care all,

svenskasfinx

[gemstar]

How about a Venus-Neptune contact for a 'soulmate' connection?

To me, The Venus-Mars is all about the sex, not necessarily the soulmate depth that exists on a much different level. What do you think?

One more question...I have read that any contact as stated in another post is good...so that could be interpreted as including the squares, oppositions etc...true?

Warm Regards-
GemStar

PS-Hi Sunshine!

[darrah19]

sunshine9 said:

Hi,

Kim, question is, do Eros-Psyche sextiles & trines count too, or is it mainly the conjunctions? (I've got a sextile & trine with someone). How does this feel different from a Mars-Venus contact?

Dar, you mentioned feeling like you'd known each other before - sounds like a South Node contact, perhaps?! Unless that is also a quality of Eros-Psyche conjunctions; I don't know much about this. I do know how a Venus-South Node conjunction feels though, and it does indeed feel like you've known each other from some distant past.

[shadow=purple,left,300]Sunshine[/shadow]

sunshine, have you checked your declinations? there might be a parallel/contra-parallel between your eros/psyche in the synastry chart. I'm not sure about the trines and sextiles, although, I'd be sure that they were good contacts, just maybe not that powerful?

also, yeah, we do have nodal contacts! his moon is conjunct my north node (5 deg though) and my juno is conjunct his south node. also, I just thought about this -- his moon is EXACTLY conjunct my 12th house cusp AND almost exactly trine my neptune. hmm.

the venus/south node contact that you have -- can you elaborate a bit about it? the thing is, I have never had this amount of 'emotional familiarity' with anyone I just met. it was strange and rather wonderful.

[Kim Falconer]

This is just great everybody! Lots of excitement here and I can really feel the enthusiasm

I want to add much more, yet for now I'll just interject with my experience that orbs with Psyche and Eros can be wide, conjunctions and oppositions up to 10 degrees, squares/trines maybe up to 8, inconjuncts, semi-'s, sextiles maybe 5. I have stacks of examples where these wider orbs work dramatically, especially in syanastry (think of the orb of a transit here) In composites, because it is already a midpoint chart, I keep them tighter.

Mars and Venus is more a "love vs. will dilemma"...a whom is going to be the boss and whom is going to accommodate kind of thing. It can be very sexy and playful and dynamic although, by itself, it isn't really "soul-mate" stuff as we have defined it.

Venus/Neptune ALWAYS has an element of the divine (and as Amoroso pointed out, that is the "stuff" of the soul mate search). Neptune makes it ineffable and it also makes the journey a search for the god...or goddess. It's mystical, potent and deceptive in the sense that we are looking for something that is, perhaps, too rarefied to exist on earth...at least for long. Neptune...it's a siren call from another realm.

Age difference? No, I don't really feel there is a cut-off point for how old or young someone can be to have the kind of connection we are describing here. If there is, a who chunk of my life has been wasted!!! I'm pretty sure it hasn't.

In our list of what may be a soul-mate, we have included animals, children...I'd think we need to through the whole "age" thing out the window...

I will get back to this discussion as soon as I can!

Keep going!

Kim