The three graces... a small amount of research

[svenskasfinx]

Hello everyone;

In the myth of Aphrodite she was always followed about by her the three graces.. sort of friends/handmaidens kind of thing..

There are three asteroids which corrospond with these personifications from within the mythology..

These three also relates with some ideas in romantic love, a sort of way Aphrodite personifies this "pure drop of yum" as Kim says compared to Venus, these graces lend to the qualities that in romantic mythology leads us to knowing we are falling in love.... that glow, that euphoria, and blushing..

One we all ready know through the Muses as 23 Thalia- the mirthfull one; within the graces she is also considered the "blooming one"..just that beauty that comes from the joy..

Then there is 31 Euphrosyne.. (joy of the heart) the euphoria and pleasure of falling in love..(I noticed that I have this one in conjunction with Jupiter in Virgo conjunct my IC. For me it is a very strong feeling

And there is 47 Aglaja - the brilliant one.. the shining one..

I was thinking out loud again about how these may be either things that work for or against the illusion or feeling that romantic love gives..

I found in a synastry chart between my husband and myself his Euphrosyne is in conjunction with my Chiron/Pandora conjunction.. but looking at a recent chart of a friendship with a male, there is the same combination....

..anyone notice these asteroids anywhere intersting in their relationships?

Anyone have any more information about them?

Anyone want to find out?

Thank you ahead of time,

Svenskasfinx

[Amoroso]

Dear Svenskasfinx,

This is an interesting and very timely thread for me. Here is an excerpt from Edith Hamilton's "Mythology."

"The Graces were three: Aglaia (Splendor), Euphrosyne (Mirth) and Thalia (Good Cheer). They were the daughters fo Zeus and Eurynome, a child of the Titan, Ocean. Except in a story Homer and Hesiod tell, that Aglaia married Hephaestus, they are not treated as seperate personalities, but always together, a triple incarnation of grace and beauty. The gods delighted in them while they danced enchantingly to Apollo's lyre, and the man they visited was happy. They "Give life its bloom." Together with their companions, the Muses, they we "Queens of song" and no banguet without them could please."

I would imagine that if there were synastry connections among the Graces, there would also be synastry connections with Cupido, who has also been associated with the "look of love."

These past months I have been comparing the synastry with my husband with "Chico," looking for ways to "explain" the intensity brought on by Eros. While there are many major aspects with my husband and the graces, there also seem to be some pretty intense aspects with this other man. Two of the three graces are conjunct my sun, which means they are conjunct his moon.

Now on this forum, we've never talked about the asteroid "Lust," and I'm not even sure it's pronounced with a short "U" sound or more like an "OO" as the Germans would pronounce it. But if "Lust" means what some people seem to think it means, his Lust and Euphrosyne are conjunct my Psyche! And why isn't THAT a surprise? Ha.

Amoroso

[Amoroso]

I forgot to mention that I think it's probably not unusual to have similar astrological configurations with several different people like you do with your Chiron/Pandora. After all, especially in attractions with the opposite sex, we tend to have "types" that we like. "Chico" and my husband are 23 years apart in age but are both Capricorns, and I have Juno/Sun conjunction with both of them!

Amoroso

[svenskasfinx]

Amoroso said:

I forgot to mention that I think it's probably not unusual to have similar astrological configurations with several different people like you do with your Chiron/Pandora. After all, especially in attractions with the opposite sex, we tend to have "types" that we like. "Chico" and my husband are 23 years apart in age but are both Capricorns, and I have Juno/Sun conjunction with both of them!

Amoroso

hej Amoroso!

I get the feeling that its because sometimes we don't realise we enjoy that same kind of energy.. perhaps we do..

..and yes those similarites are so common place arn't they?

take care,

svenskasfinx

[Kim Falconer]

Okay, if you want to understand about “recurring chart patterns in Synastry relationships” (actually, I feel a new article coming on)—check this out.

Every man (so far) that I have lived with in an intimate relationship has had Mars in Leo opposite my Moon/Psyche. These may have been unconscious choices, but you still get the feeling of “choice”.

Then, my son was born with, you guessed it, Mars exactly conjunct his Dad’s exactly opposite my Moon/Psyche. What are the odds? 1/360 x 360…I’d have to have 359 kids and 360 more husbands for that to “happen again” (in a statistical world, anyway).

Then there is this thing lately with my nodes. I have had 3 “liaisons” in the last few years and two of them had Venus conjunct my node and the other Mars. I’ve met a “new person” who has Ascendant and Mars conjunct my N. Node. It’s like we are on to a whole new theme.

My feeling is that we attract what is bubbling up within our selves, or perhaps what we are fated to attract, and the universe doesn’t “care” so much whom it is that does the awakening. It’s like it says, “here, try this…see if this sinks in. No? okay, try it like this then…”

Interesting!

My dad had 3 marriages, all to Libra Women, the two long ones, (both over 20 years) were born on the exact same day—years apart!

One way or another, we get the messages. We just have to open them up and read them!
Kim;)
More on the Graces soon!

[Amoroso]

Dear Kim,

Leos and Aquarians seem like such strange bedfellows to me. Yet, as you posted, you keep attracting them! And that business about your son is amazing. I have all that immense planetary and angle energy in Leo and my husband has three major planets plus many asteroids in Aquarius, so....

It interesting to see how the related fifth and 11th houses, and planetary rulers, the Sun and Uranus, also relate to one another.

And ScorpyMoon,
I wasn't sure where to post on Sappho--here, to respond to your post, or on the Sappho thread, but I think Sappho conjunct a partner's personal planet or angle, or even in the trine that has been described as a conjunction in synastry, is very sexual vs. sensual. I think is can show up in different ways, though.

My husband's Sappho is conjunct my Ceres--we yearn to take care of each other, each according to our own individual style, and my Sappho is conjunct his Asc. Much more, uh, physical.

Chico's Sappho/Venus trines my Moon/Uranus, MH and my Sappho is directly conjunct his name asteroid. I am not sure these energies will ever be able to play out, but they have added an enormous yearning to the myriad of Eros contacts.

I do think Sappho is important in these kinds of attractions.

Amoroso

[moggym]

Hi All,
Was having a look at this thread last night and came across Amoroso's mention of the asteroid Lust. Out of curiosity I checked the position of this asteroid in my and my partner's charts. The results were very interesting!!!!!!
My Lust is conjunct my Descendant at 27deg53" Sag in my 7th house, this falls opposite my partner's venus at 29deg44" Gem. His Lust is at 12deg Pisces, this trines his Descendant, and falls opposite my venus!!!!!!
So, perhaps this asteroid does need some further investigation in the field of Synastry? Does anyone else have intense "Lust" connections?
I apologise that it's a bit off the main topic of this thread, but I was very excited by the possible implications of the meaning of this asteroid.
Thanks Everyone.

Moggym

[Kim Falconer]

Actually, I have always wondered about an attraction I have to certain men with Mars in Pisces…and realized at this post that MY Lust would be there mid-Pisces as well.

Interesting.

I can’t find much out about this body. I know that Lust (#4386) was named for the family of a contemporary German astronomer. That’s about all.

There is a (lengthy) article on the name asteroids and Lust in the charts of Bill Clinton et al. It’s worth a read. Jacob Schwartz has a good style and gets his ideas across on how these asteroids function in the natal charts!

Read it here: www.newage-directory.com/cosmicbill.htm


Kim

[Amoroso]

"...was named for the family of a contemporary German astronomer."

The German "lust"- means "joy, delight, or desire." That meaning certainly fits in the article that Kim referenced!

Amoroso

[moggym]

Hi Everyone,
Those are fantastic "Lust" links ScorpyMoon. Since my last post on the subject of "Lust", I've been doing some further research with the charts of couples that I have on my computer. The results were very interesting to say the least!!!!!
The 1st couple (married, 3 children), His Lust is conjunct her Venus, and Her Lust is conjunct his Venus.
The 2nd couple (live together, no children), His Lust is opposite her Moon, and Her Lust is square his Moon.
The 3rd couple (live together, no children), His Lust is conjunct her Venus, and Her Lust is trine his Venus.
The 4th couple (married, 3 children), His Lust is trine her Moon, and Her Lust is conjunct his Moon.
The 5th couple (married, no children), His Lust conjunct her Mars and sextile her Venus, Her Lust opposite his Venus, and sextile his Mars.
The 6th (and last) couple (married, 1 child), His Lust conjunct her Venus, and Her Lust opposite his Mars.

Interesting huh?? On some of these charts I didn't have exact birth times, so, was not able to look at Asc/Desc/Mc/Ic etc. Also, to try to keep it simple I only looked at major aspects to Moon, Venus or Mars.

Judging from the results of the above charts, and my partners' and my mutual Venus/Lust opposition (7 chart pairs in all), and ScorpyMoon's data, it would seem that "Lust" could play a significant part in relationships!!!

Or, as Amoroso mentioned before on this subject - Lust means Joy, Delight or Desire. Three things I'm sure all of us want in our relationships. Maybe, good strong "Lust" aspects in synastry mean we get them?

Thank you to Kim for posting that article link, it was a valuable resource. But, aside from that article, there seems to be very little available on this asteroid. I would love to hear from more people with "Lust" experiences or information about this topic.

Thank you all for your time and thoughts!

Take care
Moggym

[Amoroso]

I am going to post comments about the asteroid "Lust" in a new thread.

Amoroso

[q]

Oh my goodness

This just adds to the huge love and sexuality of my chart

I'm so Juliet it's ridiculous

Thalia is right on my Venus, Euphrosyne almost exactly conjunct my sun, and Aglaja in my 7th house. The first two mean a lot especially, and they make me even more romantic in my relationships. Euphoria is important too, I think I do seek it a lot in life and Euphrosyne conjunct my sun surely has something to do with this

Hope this helps =)

[AquarianEssence]

I just thought I'd point out that often the Major Arcana Trump, Strength, is sometimes referred to as Lust. It is the lust for life, like Eros can be, that causes us to fight, if necessary to protect that sacred gift. It's like the mother lion, don't mess with her children or what gives her passion for life.