Asteroids in Synastry

[gerigirl]

Question ! Does it have a special meaning to have the Asteroid "phyche" & "Juno" in the 8th house (this 8th house is also in Sagitarrius) in a Progressed Composite Chart of two people ? Juno is "Q" venus.

Thank you,
GeriGirl

[Kim Falconer]

Hi GeriGirl,

The progressed composite is a chart of the relationship as it “progresses”. It moves the natal composite forward to significant or current times, portraying symbolically the nature of the two people when they are together. The operant word her is WHEN.

The composite 8th house is watery, hidden. It is the threshold to the unconscious of the relationship, what lies beneath the surface, what holds the occult mysteries and a wealth of treasures gleaned from taking risks, merging energies and combining resources. By progression, it zeros in on what is meaningful for the couple currently. It also describes what they like to keep hidden.

Has Psyche and Juno moved into the 8th in the progression? Where are they in the natal composite?
You don’t mention if Psyche and Juno are conjunct. Are they operating as one, or distinctly?

I get the feeling that Psyche here is a call for the couple to delve into the deeper roots of their connection, to explore and develop the bond between them that is not so much verbal but instinctual, sexual and intuitive. Juno there wants a committed bond and I think there would be inherited conflicts around making such commitments.

Perhaps the family backgrounds have certain expectations or the belief systems are divergent forcing the couple to find a new and fresh way to commit that honors their authentic approach to relating. I imagine they need a strong commitment to feel free to express the deeper nature of their sexuality as well.
Through emotional crisis, (8th house) the couple learn and grow (Sagittarius) deepening their commitment (Juno) and sensitizing their intuitive link with each other (Psyche).

There are other possibilities, of course. How do you think this placement affects the relationship? The 8th is a very deep well. What have you found there so far? What planets in the natal charts, if any, do these two P.Comp. planets aspect? Is the quintile to the composite Venus, P. Comp. or natal planets?

This is an interesting topic! Who else can comment on either of these asteroids in the 8th house?

Thanks GeriGirl, and welcome.

[Kim]

Kim,
Thank you soooooo much for your reply to the question of asteroids in the 8th........all this is very new to me......on closer inspection of the P.Comp...only one asteroid remained in the 8th...Juno ...Psyche moved to the 7th in the P.Comp. (in Scorpio), no other planets there. In my Natal ,Psyche appears in Scorpio in the 6th.......his Natal it is Scorpio in the 11th house. Curiously, Eros in Natal for me is 3rd house,9degrees Leo, his Eros..10th house 13degrees Libra...the P.Comp now shows Eros 29 degrees Libra(along with Vertex,Venus and Aphro) Venus/Aphro conj.....
Eros/Vertex also conj. In natal both our Venus were in Leo. My natal shows 9th house Juno/Cap 25degrees, unaspected by any other planets. His shows Juno/true node/Vesta all conj in 12th house Scorpio.
You ask.......how does this placement affect the relationship? The Juno placement in the 8th gives me the feeling of uncertainty as to "where" the relationship is headed. Our mutual early childhood experiences were quite similiar..Then too, his rising/moon are both in natal Sagitarrius, so I expected him to "pull back". I keep pushing forward (natal Chiron Leo 26 degrees)...on the other hand, P.Comp shows Chiron Leo 6 degrees Conj Pluto....... What a Maze........when we are together it is joyous, playful, uplifting, sensual, speelbinding, charismatic and fulfilling with an earthy quality. It would seem that with answers come more questions. And it's not like having a lifetime to figure it all out .......we are both in our early 60's.........

Thanks, Kim

GeriGirl

[Kim Falconer]

Wow, you two have a lot of intense asteroid contacts in the progressed composite. Did you do a progressed comp for the day you first met? First got together? It would be very interesting to see “what set the stage”. I always want to know, “Why is this happening now?”<br>
I also have natal psyche in the 6th. One manifestation can be a kind of telepathy with animals. Have you ever felt this?

You two have Eros sextile by synastry (have you had a look at my compatibility test on the main page with the article, Are We Compatible? Could be fun & informative.) That the Eros’ link bodes well for passion and intensity! Was anything activating (transiting over) the Eros/Vertex conjunction when you met? I’d be quite curious about that.

Juno does want a commitment. She needs to know where things are going. As for Sagittarius Moon/Asc, a great teacher once told me (more than once) that when it comes to relationships, have NO expectations, make NO assumptions. She is a Sagittarius Sun/Ascendant, and she has a point! We experience each other much more authentically if we haven’t already decided what the other will do!

This is a most interesting composite study. Thank you for being here!

Warmly,
Kim

[gerigirl]

Kim,
You are quite right ! WOW, is exactly how it feels to be “with” him amongst all these Asteroids. I have also had a “need to know” WHY all this is happening. Our first meeting was in the dining room of a restaurant. I approached his table ( he was dining with a lady, obviously business). He reached out and literally grabbed me by the hip……and said to the lady with him…”Isn’t that the most beautiful hip you ever saw?”…and wouldn’t let go……I tried backing up but for some unknown reason I was unable to move….it was as if I was hit by some cosmic force…that was 3 years ago in June. Exactly what day I do not remember. I saw him in the restaurant on and off with no contact until just over a year ago. Same thing happened again. He said exactly the same thing to the people dining with him. The difference for me was that I did not try to flee !!
Our first “togetherness” was Aug. 11, ’03. I do not know how to calulate the transits…..a url may show you the “why”…www.astro.com/tmpd/achart_fo4fileelXMDe-u1074917058.5798.9935.gif His chart (natal progressed) for that day shows Eros/Psyche/Venus all in conjunction in Scorpio/10th house. What does it all mean?

As for the 6th house Psyche in Natal I have always seems to be able to talk to animals and know somehow that they understund what I was saying……curious!

After much research into the 1st house/Sag/Moon Natal personality I have discovered that these personalities need FREEDOM and AIR more than they need Food. At the same time I felt so drawn to him and he to me that we simply just let everything flow…….Sometimes, this is easy, sometimes not so easy. My natal 1st house/Mercury/Gemini/Saturn/Pan/Anteros all within a few degrees gives a propensity to seek out all that is possible, to the ninth degree.

I am indeed grateful to be here with you and the other members, as it seems we are all seekers of wisdom and truth. In the search for understanding from within I am hopeful that my “most interesting” composite will offer a depth of understanding to all.

Thank you,
GeriGirl

[Kim Falconer]

Hello GeriGirl,
That is some description of how you met! I wonder if Chiron is involved. What strikes me is the audacity of it all. Quite amazing!

I couldn’t view the chart as it had ‘expired’. I do know that Eros/Psy/Ve in Scorpio in the 10th is a combination of intense erotic desires linked with a longing to connect on an intuitive level with the view for a socially significant relationship. It’s in the open (10th house) yet much remains secrete and hidden (Scorpio). It’s a fantastic combination for intimacy! (if you can stand the heat!)

Thanks for sharing about Psyche in the 6th. With this placement, pets are more like ‘familiars’ and the bonds can be very strong.

It would be interesting to look at the composite for the first time he stopped you in the restaurant and marveled at your hip. I would be looking at transits to the angles or personal planets. Maybe the Vertex was involved. I would also want to compare that progressed composite with the p. composite of when you actually got together. How interesting, that lapse in time between the first meeting and the beginning of relating.

It is fascinating to study the composites etc. The most important thing, of course, is experiencing each other. It sounds to me like you are on quite an important journey, both!

Warmly,
Kim

[gerigirl]

Kim, Hello
I looked up the transits for our first “togetherness”, looking for the WHY…. Each in a progressed Natal for the date in question, August 11, ’03. ……. I nearly fell off my chair……..From a perspective point, you were right about CHIRON having an influence. Not sure if Chiron SET the stage or what …..maybe you
Can tell…..The most amazing SIGHT was the transiting planets were nearly , if not exact, in almost every
SIGN, to almost the EXACT DEGREE, just in a different house. The other amazing part was that they all seemed to share another quality, or detrimint ( all in opposition to each other )…….In other words, Chiron
Transited Capricorn in my Natal 8th house 13 degrees….Chiron transited .his Natal Capricorn 2nd house 13 degrees over Natal Lilith at 11 degrees…….Opposition ? And the list goes on…..My P. Natal has Pluto transit 7th house SAG at 17degrees (no other planets)…….His P. Natal has Pluto transit 1st house SAG at 17 degrees over natal Moon at 17 degrees

MyProgressed/Natal /Trans

N/1stGem/AC 9/P.Mars/N/Uran/Pan/Ant/Mer/Sat/Ura conj
N/2ndCan/Sun 4/ P. Moon 14/Trans.Saturn 8
N/3rd Leo/P.AC/N Eros 9
N/4th Leo/N/Ven 20/Chiron 26/TransJupt 25
N/4th Vir/P.Sun/N/Sappho/Aphro
N 5th Vir/Nept 29/P.Merc 29/P.Venus 18 NO Transits
N 6th/0 trans/Scorpio/Psyche 7/Vertex 7
N 7th/Sag/DC 17 / Trans.Pluto 17
N 8th/Cap/TransChiron 13
N 9th/MCAqu16/Trans. Nept 11/ N.Arete 15
N10th/Aqu-PiscesTrans. Uran 1
N11th/Pis-Ari/NAmor 20 Pis
N12th/Tau/N.Moon 5/Vest 21/Ceres 3/Trans.Lilith 20
Trans. True Node 25
His Progressed Natal / Transits
N 1st/Sag AC 17/Natal Moon 17, P. Juno-Vesta
Transit Pluto 17
N2nd/Cap 13/ N Lilith 11
N3rd/Aqu/P. AC 2/N Jup 1 Pis/Trans. Nept. 11
N4th/Pis-Ari/N Pallas28 Ari/Amor 14/Trans. Uran 1Pis
N5th Ari/ N Saturn17/P.Moon 27 Aries
N 6th/Tau/ Trans. Lilith 20/Trans. True Node 25
N7th/Gem DC 1/N Adonis 21/ no trans
N8th/Can/N Sun 17/ Trans Saturn 8
N9th/Leo/N Venus 24/ Trans Jupiter 26
N10th/Vir-Lib/ Nept-Vir 19/P.Merc 1-P.Mars 3-P Sun 18
N Eros-Lib 13
N11th/Sco/N Psyche 7-N True node 25 / P. Venus 6
N12th/Sco/N Vest,Arete,Juno(conj)/P. MC 25 / 0 Trans


Kim, tell me this is more than unusual…….I have a wrenching in my gut……..It’s like we are a mirror image of each other …….only in exact opposites……..

Wish I could say that I'm calmly awaiting your reply !

Thank you,
GeriGirl

[gerigirl]

Kim, Hello
I apologize for the lengthy Comp. Progressed lineage on the last Post......I just couldn't figure out how to post the actual Charts.....the other thing is the site I'm using gives NO way to chart Progressed Comp Transits.... would it be safe to assume that planets and asteroids transited a Natal P. chart, say, in Leo....would be the same as in a P.Comp. as well ?
I did notice another interesting position of my Natal Chiron in checking a "relocation chart" for the place I'm living now(some 1,100 miles from where I was born).......Chiron is going right through this town !.....


Thank you again,
GeriGirl

[Kim Falconer]

Hi GeriGirl!
I am looking at the charts in question now, a much easier way for me to see what was/is going on. About your recent question-

GeriGirl said:

the site I'm using gives NO way to chart Progressed Comp Transits.... would it be safe to assume that planets and asteroids transited a Natal P. chart, say, in Leo....would be the same as in a P.Comp. as well ?GeriGirl

I am not quite sure what you are asking. It is probably just a matter of terminology. A transit is the position of the planets ‘out there’ at any given time. Right now, TRANSITING Saturn is a 15 Cancer. You would place Saturn in 15 degrees of Cancer around any chart, progressed, natal, composite, Drayco, anything, if you wanted to see the transit for now. Transits are the same for everyone, at any given time.

If you mean the placement of progressed composite positions as ‘transits’ (such as your Aug. 11, 03 progressed composite Saturn at 20 Taurus) that is different. Progressions are very personal. The move the planet forward ‘a day for a year’ (or a different amount depending on the type of progression) and that is unique.

Is that what you were asking?

Looking at your progressed composite for 8-11-03, the first thing I notice is the p.c.Moon is conjunct your natal Uranus, exact. The Moon in progressed or transit chart is very much about timing (among other things) and often will mark an ‘event’, inner or outer. In this case, it must have been a bit ‘out of the blue’, unexpected, surprising, thrilling, tantalizing! It must have (and perhaps still does) create some stir and excitement (disruption?) in your life!

He had, among a lot of other things as well, T. Jupiter exact on Venus, T. Chiron as you said, over Lilith, and exactly square Eros. I am not surprised he could contain himself no longer! What a zap of audacity, enthusiasm and desire!

I’ll comment more as time allows. Thank you again for sharing this here. It is a very educational, and intriguing study. I am sure many students are going to learn from this!

Warmly,
Kim

[gerigirl]

Kim, Hello again.......
I'm sooooo happy that the charts came through for you to view......thank you for being there......

The questions about this ancient science of astrology has always intrigued me......I am a very new beginner as my very first look at my Natal Chart was August '03(didn't have a birth certificate to view for 40 years). So I feel like my research is years behind.

Question about the transits.......I still don't get it all....
I do understand that daily transits over Cancer are the same for everyone. The misunderstanding comes from trying to apply these movements of the transiting planets into a Progressed Composite of two people. Or is it simply applying the 15 degree of Saturn over Cancer to the "Cancer" in the P.C."?

So, you think that Chiron on this "eventful day" had much to do with everything, considering the placement of the other planets and houses involved?

I am extremely grateful to you and this forum for providing some insight into a REAL LIFE happening !

Thank You,

GeriGirl

[Kim Falconer]

Hi GeriGirl,
I am glad you have a birth time now and feel enthused about studying astrology.

The thing with transits is simple. Pick a day, any day, and look at the ephemeris to see where the planets were that day. Let’s take today for example. Venus is at 9 degrees of Gemini by TRANSIT. We can plot that in your NATAL chart by placing the symbol of Venus on your natal Ascendant at 9 degrees. We can also plot T. Venus in his NATAL chart just above the Descendant in his 7th house. Follow?

Now, you can take your progressed chart and plot today’s Venus, or any other transit, outside the circle where 9 degrees of Gemini is found. You can plot it in any composite chart, or progressed composite chart. For example, that pr. Comp you showed me, (8/11/03) today’s Venus transit would fall in the second house, just between the P. Comp Moon at 6 Gemini and the P. Composite Ceres at 11 Gemini.

Plot transits outside the circle so you can stay clear on what is FIXED (the natal, progressed or composite etc) and what is MOVING (the transits). I could show you this in a second on paper over a cup of coffee, but we live on opposite ends of the earth.

Let me know if you are still confused about this.

Warmly,
Kim

[Trish]

What are your thoughts on the following aspects between two people.

His Sun squares her Eros exactly and his Pluto opposes it within a degree. I know its

[Kim Falconer]

Hi Trish,

Welcome to the forum. Please sign up! (see the introduction)

Sun/Eros and Pluto/Eros in synastry awaken these god, bring them to life. Just being near the other person gets her Eros going, big time, and highlights his solar power, his sense of distinction. Because he has Pluto square Sun natally, that solar power is very intense. The erotic implications here are strong!

Let’s look at this in a bit more detail. Here are some excerpts from my Eros Reports on these two synastry contacts.

Pluto in Synastry Aspect to Eros:

…dark is the path appointed to thee:
The dead watch the road that leads to the Sea.
--J.R.R. Tolkien

When the god of love meets the god of death, something usually has to give way. Pluto wants to take things to the edge, to experience a sense of life by getting as close as possible to its opposite, death. Eros responds to this urge with a deep need to melt into one the feelings of love, passion, danger, risk, annihilation and transformation. These two symbols go a long way to describe obsessive and explosive unions that burn the original nature of the couple down to a fine powder letting what remains emerge in a new form.

When two people get together with this combination, they often sense that something profoundly deep is at work. They may feel that they are fated to be together, or conversely, fated to meet yet not be able to live out the relationship in an ordinary way. It can feel like a tremendous power is brewing under the surface to which the couple is aware yet has no control over. These relationships can feel like a picnic on top of an active volcano. Any minute, things could erupt!

Often with this contact, the individuals involved are willing to risk a great deal to experience each other. The mystery and intrigue of a taboo encounter lies in wait just beneath the surface of this raw and compelling attraction. Sometimes the more ‘wrong’ it is in a social or moral sense, the more ‘right’ and imperative it feels emotionally…The magnitude of these encounters can be overwhelming, as is their capacity to transform, rejuvenate or destroy…The powers of Pluto can be like warming a cup of tea with a nuclear explosion: the tea gets hot, but what happens to the cup in the process?

The Sun in Synastry Aspect to Eros:

Love is like the sun: it has its inner energy source that shines on you.
-- Helene Lagerberg

When Eros and the Sun meet in the synastry, sparks can fly and egos ignite. There is a sense of competitiveness, ambition and demand that may or may not sit well with the merging attributed of the god of love. The Sun wants to define itself as a unique and singular individual; Eros wants to define itself through merging and union with another.

Sometimes the contact between the Sun and Eros in two separate charts can help one or both individuals become more conscious of their potent erotic side. It may put the spotlight on intimacy making it an important part of the mutual rapport.

The sign, aspects and house position of each person’s Sun and Eros need consideration before coming to any conclusions about this contact. If one person’s Sun is conjunct Saturn and the other persons Eros is opposite Pluto, the contact will be quite different than if the Sun was conjunct Jupiter and Eros opposite Venus. This is not to say it would be better. It would simply be different.

When Eros touches the Sun, the energy of both the Sun and Eros awaken between the two people involved and they will want to expend this abundant energy in some way. Joint creative projects and mutual activities are possible and lacking those, the couple may clash or simply find they have little energy for each other. The Sun tends to do nothing by halves and, when stimulated, needs somewhere to shine. If the stage is big enough, Sun/Eros may shine in unison although probably not without mutual effort, goals and a mature sense of integrity.

Hope this sheds some light.

Warmly,
Kim

[Trish]

Thanks Kim!

[gerigirl]

Hello, Kim
Haven't been here in a while. A restless mood thing.....in the stars, no doubt..... My "special friend" and I had a chat about "needs" in this relationship we have (going since 8-11-03) Then I took off for a week's vacation. Not much if anything seemed to have changed in my absence. I took another look at what you might have seen in our charts........something really stood out ( for the first time) SUN - SQUARE- SATURN....... in his natal chart.....this accounts for the sense I have that something is missing. At the same time I realized that the feelings I get when we are not together loom between sheer bliss and down right depression, that things are not "right". Sooooo, I started chatting with another a couple of guys and did comp. charts only to find a Sun-Square-Saturn in both the composite charts with these individuals. All my readings say this is a truly unfortunate aspect to have. Is it always going to be that way if I chose to enter into a relationship with them? Any asteroids that would make the aspect be a lot less of a "wet blanket"?

Thanks,
Geri