transiting pluto opposite natal eros/bml/sun

[bhairavi]

hello everyone! i am new to this board- having only just found it after googling for more info on eros and lilith. normally i would lurk for a while before posting- but this past week has been hellish and i think it it might be a symptom of pluto opposing my natal eros/black moon lilith/sun conjunction in cancer in the 4th and i wanted to see if anyone has experience with any of these oppositions that could shed a little light on what is going on with me.

in short i have been really lethargic, depressed and out of it since friday the 14th. it ebbs and flows- but even when it is on the low end it is still there to some degree. but when it is on the high side i feel incapacitated and i don't want to move from my couch. i have been doing a lot of internal work as of late- in jungian analysis and in grad school (i am studying depth psychology)- so i know that is a factor. but this feeling is so foreign to me- and i just realized that pluto is exactly opposite my eros (1'05 cancer) right now as it slows to turn retrograde. my black moon lilith is at 1'12 cancer and my sun is at 3'22 cancer. my astrology friend thinks that the orb of pluto opposing my sun is what is causing this funky feeling- but i feel like the timing of it coinciding with an exact opposition to my eros (as well as lilith) seems more poignant- yet there is not a lot of info out there about transits to eros and lilith.

i am also going through saturn conjunct my descendant (2'16 virgo), opposite my moon (5'16 pisces) and conjunct my mars (6'13 virgo)- but saturn has passed over these points once already and it was not this intense. it could be that the retrograde is amping it up- but this feeling feels more profound- more like intense pluto than melancholy saturn. but i have never had a conscious pluto transit (where i knew about astrology and paid attention to what was going on) so i cannot really speak to what it may or may not feel like.

i also- incidentally- am having pluto squaring the nodes (1'16 libra/aries).

if anyone has experience with these transits- or has something to say about them i would be very happy to hear your opinion! this has been going on for a week and a half now- and lying around on my couch with no energy to do work or study is not very conducive to living in the material world. if this goes on for much longer i might need to check into a monastery !!!

thank you for taking the time to read this...

~h

[ariesmoon]

Hi bhairavi - I can really identify with the Pluto opposite Sun transit (I've posted a few thoughts on that on the Pluto into Capricorn thread). I have the Sun at 4 Cancer. I've been noticing some very intense emotions coming out - highs and lows. They seem to come and go very quickly, which is a bonus. My Sun's in the 2nd and what I'm realising is that the Pluto transit is highlighting a lot of what I've been avoiding, particularly thoughts about what I value, how I value myself, and how emotional I really am underneath all my Gemini ascendant/Mercury rising logic and how much I'd suppressed it. I'm learning not to be scared of the emotion and that it can't be rationalised!

I don't have any immediate thoughts to offer about your Pluto transit to Lilith/Eros - except perhaps that like I've said, Pluto seems to be bringing to light what it's opposing in my chart, and making me more aware of nurturing and protective feelings. I hope even that observation might help. Lilith can get a very bad press but I have discovered some wonderful, thought-provoking, modern interpretations on the web - if I can find the link again, I'll post it later. By highlighting the transits to asteroids you've reminded me - thank you! that I have Sun conjunct Juno/Ceres (both at 7 Cancer) - I hadn't thought much about how the Pluto transit might be affecting them, I'd really only looked at the Sun, but such a close conjunction (like your Sun/Eros/Lilith) merits looking at them as a group. It really does help to explain, for me, the very strong feelings I'm experiencing of wanting to protect and nurture others (it's also highlighting how difficult it is for me to allow myself to be nurtured, something I haven't wanted to face before. That's not comfortable, but I need to know it.)

[bhairavi]

thank you for your reply aries moon it's nice to know how the pluto transit to your sun is affecting you already- even though it's 6 degrees away! i think your comment on accepting and expressing your deepest feelings is quite appropriate for pluto opposing cancer. i also see it as transformation into who i came into this life to be (sun). i think the asteroids on your sun help inform that life path. i personally feel that eros and lilith are integral in terms of my life path. interestingly- just before pluto moved into capricorn i had a soul retrieval with a shaman and was told that my power animal that has been with me all my life but is only now making itself known is a black panther. if there ever was an animal that i would ascribe to a pluto opposite lilith/eros transit it would be the black panther. then immediately after i found my current grad school where i am studying depth psychology (how plutonian/lilithian/erosian can you get?).

your interpretation of pluto transiting opposite your 2nd is interesting. how do you see pluto in your 8th affecting you? seems like you could get into tantra or some such thing- if that kind of thing speaks to you

as for pluto opposite your ceres and juno- the first thing that came to my mind was getting married and having children. are you married or do you have kids- or do you want either? seems like a possibility!

i can totally resonate with wanting to nurture and care for others. how very cancerian of you

thank you again for your response! i will look at the pluto in capricorn thread to see if i can find more info about the transit we are experiencing.

~h

[ariesmoon]

Hi - you've really hit a chord with the comment about getting married and having children - I'm still single (at 45) but recently .. really strong emotions are coming up about wanting to be settled (at last) and to be much more family-conscious (Venus conjunct north node in the 4th too!) I'm realising I've been denying very strong maternal and protective instincts, and am considering a complete career change to work with children. We'll see what happens in terms of having any babies of my own - I shocked someone the other day by saying I hadn't ruled it out!

More later - thanks for your thoughts!

[ariesmoon]

Back to thinking about Pluto in the 8th. It's only just there - and by retrograde movement it may go back into my 7th again briefly - and then it's there until 2015. At the moment, apart from the fierce but short-lived mood swings, it seems so far to be mainly about money - bringing me big tax bills, and highlighting that I can't go on spending without giving more thought to what's coming in. So its picking up on financial behaviour patterns I need to alter.

I have though noticed a change in what I'm reading - much darker, deeper novels and poetry - and that I'm taking emotions much more seriously. I'm getting impatient with people who seem to trivialise deep emotions and make a joke out of them (which is highlighting exactly what I used to do!! Classic defense mechanism, if you can't cope with it, which I really couldn't, ridicule it.) I bought a book of passionate love poems recently and got very angry at what I thought were illustrations that seemed far too trivial for the words. Until I typed that I hadn't analysed that reaction, so that's very enlightening for me.

This is a bit off the subject of your posts, but it is linked. The Pluto transit in Capricorn is coinciding with my 12th house Mars in Taurus finally making its presence felt - after 45 years - it is supposed to be a slow-burner ...! There's a very slow-moving transit from Sedna (which is covered in another post) plus now a trine from Jupiter and sextile from Uranus, so that Mars energy is getting a real boost and again, it's about releasing long-suppressed passion, particularly passionate anger (I've always come across as placid, so it's quite a shock for people to see it!)

I love the black panther image - and as you say, how fitting. Have you noticed any changes since it made itself known to you?

[bhairavi]

hello aires moon! sorry for the delayed post in response. life has been insane!!!

so for your pluto in the 7th experience- did you meet a guru figure or powerful person who totally affected your life? that is what i am sensing will happen for me with pluto in capricorn in my solar 7th.

for passionate love poems- i highly suggest rumi's poems of ecstasy and longing. OH MY GOD- they are so soulful and erotic. although the author things sappho is more erotic- i personally find rumi to be. his eros is more soulful whereas sappho is all about the body (or at least that is how it seems to me based on the little sappho i have read). i totally know what you mean about illustrations/manifestations that seem far too trivial for the words/deeper meaning. i feel that way about a lot of western society

it seems we are going through similar experiences and transits- as i am having major mars stuff, too. saturn is going over it- has twice now (direct, retro) and will go once more when it stations direct again. i have seen in my own life experience that when saturn conjuncts my planets i 'grow up' in that particular area of my life. i have a lot of planets in the 4th-7th so life has been all about growing up ever since saturn was in cancer (first my sun, then jupiter, mercury, venus, saturn return, now mars). saturn is also opposing my moon and conjuncting my descendant- so it seems that after it moves past virgo i will have covered all the personal planets! in libra it will coincide with my north node at 1'16 degrees- and i think that will be the beginning of a whole new life. right now i feel like i am in transition

as for the black panther- i have noticed major changes since she has made herself known to me. lilith and eros entered my life after she did- both of which are conjunct my sun and being opposed by pluto (as is in the subject of this post). i found the my own eros being awakened- something happened to it sometime in my childhood (still working on figuring that one out) and i am finding all this intense passion arise in me. i am also studying lilith and have synchronistically been led to find out that in my hawaiian ancestral roots- which is reflected in my hawaiian name- i have ancestral shamanistic ties to the hawaiian dark moon goddess. how crazy is that? yes- the black panther has totally shaken up my life- in a very good way.

i wanted to report to you- and whomever else is interested- that i have experienced one major thing that this pluto opposite eros/lilith/sun transit has in store for me. i just met my soulmate! we met online 2 weeks ago today and in person 1 week ago tomorrow- and oh my god the connection is insane. we are like the male and female version of one another. and the chemistry is through the roof- i have never felt anything like it. i had no idea this was coming- and it has really blown me out of the water. we have lots of eros aspects- my eros on his ascendant and conjunct his vesta, his conjunct my south node, and composite eros conjunct venus conjunct ascendant. lilith aspects- mine is on his ascendant and conjunct his vesta, his is opposite my saturn, and our composite is conjunct our ascendant. tons of other stuff, too. and we both have pluto stationing on the day we were born in our charts- me direct, him retro. so the eros/lilith/pluto stuff is showing up in a major way in our charts together. it's really wild and amazing- and we met in person on the day that retro pluto was exactly opposing my eros

anyhow- that's what's going on with the transit as of now. i'll keep you posted on anything else that manifests.

hope you are enjoying your pluto in the 8th- passion and money! what fun

~h

[ariesmoon]

Hi bhairavi! First of all that's wonderful news about meeting your soulmate, it sounds very intense and consuming and it sounds like you have great connections. Thanks so much for the poem recommendation, I'll definitely look out for rumi's poetry. I hadn't heard of those.

I'm finding Pluto in the 8th quite tough - fascinating but very challenging and bringing out such deep emotions it takes me by surprise at times. It's a good job I've been having healing sessions with a reiki master, and discussing these feelings with her, I can see that they are part of my need to acknowledge just how emotional I am. Saturn has been in conjunction with Pluto (at 8 Virgo in my 5th), has now gone retrograde, and will come back, and I really feel I'm doing some major "growing up" in the area of relationships, that puts it very well!
I've been thinking about that "guru figure" you mentioned and I think the answer's yes - my reiki healer, she has Pluto rising in her birth chart so has a powerful presence, and has helped me to start a process of profound change in my life. With her help I've been able to acknowledge some painful truths and become so much more open to deep feelings. I'm convinced I needed to meet someone who would assist me on this path, as I say without the awareness she has given me, some of this would be very frightening. I wouldn't say "fun", exactly - with money, it seems to be going out far quicker than it's coming in, and with passion, it's intense, absorbing and, at the moment, unrequited. At least it's there in some form!

I'm fascinated to learn about your hawaiian roots. Have you come across asteroid Pele, the volcano goddess? I think she would be very powerful for you if you haven't already found her. I discovered this asteroid through Kim's site, and where she is in your chart seems to indicate where you have that volcanic energy. The asteroid number is 2202. I have Pele at 14 Gemini conjunct Mercury (my ruling planet) at 13 Gemini in the first house, which certainly holds true when I'm writing, once I start, words flow very easily and quickly. Volcanoes are very Plutonic, of course - bringing material up from the depths of the earth and changing its shape on the surface, destroying and rebuilding.

Enjoy what's happening to you - post when you can!