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Post by gemstar on Aug 16, 2006 14:28:21 GMT
Thanks Chrissy! I read through the eclipse articles...I found that her writing seemed to be on the light side!! So, I looked a bit further and found a section on the house 'axis' in your chart where the eclipse falls. Example: Eclipses in the 1/7 axis: Crisis of Individualism vs. Relationship. Eclipses falling in the first and seventh house axis don’t always describe a marriage, but it is an event that well describes the fundamental crisis of this cycle: profound challenges to self and identity brought about through close relationships with others. It’s a cycle that frequently describes turning points such as marriage, divorce, moving away from home.www.bigskyastrology.com/articles/eclipse/eclipse1_7.htmlIt would be great if each of us took a quick glance to see which axis is being affected by the upcoming Lunar eclipse or Solar eclipse! Do these interpretations make sense to you? Feel free to share your findings!! Thanks again Chrissy! Hugs- GemStar
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Post by chrissymgreen on Aug 16, 2006 21:50:59 GMT
ooh, that was a good idea! thanks gemstar.
ok, so the eclipse in late september falls in my 12th on pluto, and the one in march falls in 6th on natal sun. this was also the case back in sept 87 and march 88. i checked her delineations for eclipses in that house axis and i was floored!
Eclipses in the 12/6 axis: Crisis of Retreat vs. Adaptation.
this could describe my experiences in 87/88 perfectly!
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Post by gemstar on Aug 16, 2006 23:43:27 GMT
WOW! That is great feedback Chrissy! Axis (what is the plural of this?) delineations are interesting and this is a great way to learn a bit more about them!
Hugs- GemStar
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Post by AquariusMoon on Aug 17, 2006 14:34:35 GMT
Hi, all. I'm new and am jumping in here. I'm going to read each of the links. They look great. I've been following my eclipses for a while and find the continuing themes to be very reliable. The Virgo/Pisces eclipses are in my H3/9 axis. Virgo/Pisces is intercepted in my chart. These eclipses relate to my career when near my IC/MC axis, and in-laws, minor accidents, surgery for me. H9 holds midpoints between my H8 planets Pluto, Uranus and Jupiter, and my H10 planet Neptune. With the 9/16/78 lunar eclipse at 24 Pisces, I began my career. With the 9/23/87 solar eclipse at 30 Virgo, I began my own business. With the 9/16/97 lunar eclipse at 24 Pisces I took 4 yrs off work and moved to a mountain resort. The 3/14/06 solar eclipse at 24 Virgo gave me some good business contacts. I relocated to a new state, and I met someone in authority who helped me get certified so that I can resume my career here. Now with the solar eclipse at 29 Virgo I guess it's time to start working again. Everything is activated in my chart. My solar return MC is cj Spica. I have a link to add to the thread that is from Celeste Teal about the transiting nodes: celestteal.bizland.com/moon_nodes.htmAquariusMoon
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Post by gemstar on Aug 17, 2006 16:15:22 GMT
Welcome AquariusMoon! Thank you for posting your history of experiences with eclipses. That is a great timeline!! Contributions such as yours help all of us learn to look for these themes of change around the times of eclipses! I must go back and track my own....(** GemStar adds this item to her to-do list**) Also, thanks for posting Celeste Teal's transiting Node link...I consider her the main expert in the area of Nodal work. Simply fascinating! As I wrote before, this eclipse is happening nearly on top of my IC-MC axis....so many people have been seeking out my advice about career changes etc....and here I am, working on my own and worried that the real estate market may catch me in my own dreamland....do I keep my project and continue to renovate properties or is that too big of a dream? The dream being that I can continue to renovate properties and sell within a reasonable amount of time. This one has already taken longer than I anticipated...but truthfully, I have enjoyed the slower pace! Is that a mistake? I dunno. I feel like I am at my most peaceful and centered place in my life. Does that count? Sure it does but I must be cautious about skipping along in life surrounded by my peaceful fog!! Reality has an important role!! The reality of needing income if I keep this project is just that..a reality. I do not want to be pushed into a stressful corner like many people I see. Those people who have over-extended themselves are now freaking out because they NEED to sell their house to handle their bills. Thankfully I am not overextended or dealing with out-of-control debt like many others. However....the awareness level for me is high right now....and there are days I would not mind having that cushion of safety in the corporate world. Am I being realistic or not? Frankly, it depends on the day you ask me! Good luck on your new job AquaMoon and please continue to add your thoughts! Hugs- GemStar
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Post by samina on Aug 17, 2006 16:49:03 GMT
I have been sensing bigger visions for myself and have hopes of greater financial rewards than I have accomplished to date. It feels like I CAN do it...at least that is a BEGINNING!!Gem, keep us posted on what begins to emerge for you. I love your attitude and am excited to hear what's next for you... it seems you can sense that new energies are indeed coming your way! Jade, wow -- so sorry to hear about your sister-in-law's family's challenges. My heart goes out to them. On a lighter note, I wish you were close to me so that I could rub your head for luck. LOL I enjoyed hearing about your money find. Did it turn out you get to keep the cash? Fingers crossed for ya... All this talk about 1987 had me revisit that year in my mind, and I realized I had a *huge* relationship crisis at the last 29Virgo eclipse, which occurs in my 12th conjunct my ASC. I had just come back from a disastrous honeymoon, after which we immediately entered into emergency counseling. My first inclincation was to anul the marriage, but I stayed in it because I was pregnant. It was a very powerful violation of my personal truth, but I was so young & far less wise about relationships than I thought I was . We were just so not compatible, and I was never in love with him and was not attracted to him. Six years later we split up and I experienced a real resurrection in my life. I definitely felt the effects of the eclipse a good couple months leading into the actual eclipse date. And, interestingly, issues of partnership and romance are very strong again in my life right now. I can just *feel* the energies working toward something, toward a turning point experience. We shall see what emerges. But also, I realized that the solar eclipse on September 7th will be happening right on my 6th-house Vesta, with Uranus conjunct & opposing my Sun/Moon midpoint. Am curious how that will manifest. I equate these placements with both work & sexual energy. I'm *very* busy with my book project right now -- yesterday I found an online publisher that can put the book out for me cheaper & more efficiently than I could do by myself, and so I'm absolutely glued to the computer and feverishly working on writing and book formatting. Except in the evenings... LOL Very cool, Aquarius, how you can trace those eclipses through evolution of your career path!!! Keep us posted on what September brings for you! Heading back to work... samina
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Post by Juliet on Aug 17, 2006 17:29:31 GMT
Gem, What exactly are you doing to that street? It's getting me so curious. Chrissy, do you see any similarities between the onset of that grave depression and where you are now?? The March /April Eclipses revealed (2-8 Axis) my depression to me in full, and after initial shock this meant careful, dedicated reacquaintance with myself... Not so strange, with the Lunar Eclipse of March on natal Eros. Apt quote from those articles Chrissy linked to ( ): Don't know exactly where I am now, but Monday I was miraculously invited to be the chief hostess at a big international jazz event. I'm a bit (A LOTTTTTT) scared and nervous to get 'out' again in the music biz, but I said yes. Will I still be able to do what I formerly did, preferably effortlessly? 19 Years ago, I was pregnant and decided to stop flirting at all when an experimental musician I met at a dance festival started flirting in earnest with me, and called someone to ask me to meet him. Jolted into being very very faithful to my husband. Now I've been jolted into being very, very faithful to myself. 18 March of 2007 will see another Eclipse very close to this one, at 28.03 Pi. I feel a distinct difference between the Lunar and the Solar Eclipse in March. With the first (Lunar) Eclipse I started to feel more awful every day, getting aware of how lousy I had been feeling for a long time. The Solar Eclipse made it surface to my consciousness in full, and then I could undertake action. Sounds like we all are taking big steps. Juliet
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Post by lunariviera on Aug 17, 2006 19:17:50 GMT
Thanks Gem for creating this thread! My natal Saturn is at 10 Virgo conjunct my N.Node at 9 Virgo in my 2nd house, I assume that would be within orb of the September 7 lunar eclipse?!...Saturn issues have been sort of the keynote of the year for me so I'm really hoping that my "boat" doesn't capsize as it's been quite a struggle as of late just to stay "afloat"!!! The eclipse on the 7th is also conjunct my Ninth Harmonic chart Moon, which is at 15 Pisces 59 and opposite my 9th Harmonic Neptune at 13 Virgo...it's interesting because I'm wondering if lunations have any impact on harmonic charts?! On a similar sidenote, someone whom I've had romantic feelings for in the past has sort of re-emerged in my life recently...Our composite Asc. is 17 Virgo and our composite Moon is 12 Pisces...so I'm curious if this is the beginning of a new level of relating or the final nail in the coffin?! My Draconic 2nd house cusp is 15 Pisces 10...more pieces to an already confusing puzzle!!! I'm really fond of studying lunations as of late, but I haven't been able to really trace how they've impacted me and my chart...they're fun points to plot, but I never know if they're applicable most of the time... I suppose time will tell!!! Best of luck to everyone!!!
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Post by chrissymgreen on Aug 17, 2006 19:27:31 GMT
gemstar,
would it be axes? i think that would be it.
dear juliet,
gosh, that is a good question. it's a GREAT question actually.
um, let me see...yes, after thinking about it, i do. not in the literal sense -- i am very far from that 17–18 year old girl i was in 1987-88. i am not in that place anymore, the place of graduating high school & moving on to the 1st big step towards independence that many youths at that age take -- the one of entering college, and getting away from the 'rents & other family. nor am i battling with neurologists and the crazy drugs they push on you, or the resulting depression due to being loaded up with sedatives. so on and so forth -- i think you get the picture.
however . . . if i really think about april elliott kent's site and the blurb on eclipses in the 6th/12th axis i can see a connection. she calls eclipses in this house axis the crisis of retreat vs. adaptation. this is certainly descriptive of where i was at 18 years ago, but the question is how this theme might fit into my life now. i'll answer as best i can:
right now i'm at an odd place in my life. a short time after my saturn return in the late 20s (i am now 35), i moved in with my sister. i was at a low point, trying to figure out what to do. i had been living in dallas with a roommate, but my roommate wasn't reliable about paying rent & and so on so i had to make a decision and my choice was to move in with good ol sis. i didn't have a particularly great job either, so i started looking around after i moved back in with her and perhaps a year after we started cohabiting together i got the job i have now -- i work as a graphic designer for a local university. it's the best job i've ever had and i love it. anyway, as it always does, time marched on and i found myself still living with my sister. eventually our mother's health started failing, and we (missy and i) moved to a bigger apartment so that mom could come live with us. so i am a 35 year old woman who now lives with her mom & sis and i'm going crazy!
see (i'm really trying to make this brief and not so wordy as to bore everyone), i do have this t-square between my sun in late pisces in the 6th directly opposite pluto in late virgo in the 12th, and this opposition is squared by the moon in late sag in the 3rd.
for a long time i have contemplated the meaning of this t-square, and i've seen its influence to varying degrees in my life at certain times (especially now -- trans pluto is right on natal moon & squaring sun & pluto). i do know its importance -- a t-square such as this that is so tight (less than a degree orb) involving both the lights makes this t-square the "spiritual spine" of my chart. from everything i've read about it, a deep dark intensity is indicated, and lots of problems with the parental units is also suggested. especially the force of the mother -- the moon is at the apex of this t-square suggesting that my mother is a force to be reckoned with. she'd be a controlling she-devil who uses manipulation to get what she wants, according to some. you get the picture -- what moon/pluto is like.
well, my mom is the farthest from this picture as possible. she's a gentle cancer sun (that's my midheaven) with a gem moon and she's just a pushover. about the only thing even remotely disparaging that i can come up with to say about her is that she can be a bit of a worry-wart and this contributes greatly to her health issues.
but my sister is another story. it is SHE that is the embodiment of my moon/pluto -- i had this revelation recently and it was like a light bulb in my head! she's always been like this -- my sis and i are very close in some ways, but what i am learning is that i really, really need to be free of her. she is far too wrapped up in me and what i do and controlling me to be of much use to me at this point in my life. first off, she and i are 6 years, 3 days, and 12 minutes apart -- my mom went into labor with her on my 6th b-day party but it was false labor and so she came home and had missy a few days later. im a march 19 baby and missy's a march 22 baby. this means that my sun is late pisces and she's an early aries. we have the exact same ascendant! missy's an aries sun, taurus moon, 7th house venus retrograde conjunct the SN and chiron. because i was born in the early 70s and i have a middle libra ascendant, i have uranus conjunct my AC. missy was born in the late 70s however and so her middle degree libra ascendant is conjoined with pluto. this means my uranus conjuncts her AC and her pluto conjuncts mine. it is insane the way she sometimes tries to control me. i can't believe it even now, and with all my uranus/aquarius i just find her stilting and very limiting. one thing she does that drives me nutso is she gets these attitudes -- she's totally allowed to be pissed off and snap at me for not doing something she wants me to, but when i protest because she's such a drag to be around it's like i've killed a man while simultaneously peddling drugs to children and selling nuclear warheads to terrorists. if i balk at her airs, she accuses me of being too sensitive which also drives me batty. i'm not trying to be sensitive -- in fact, i think i am less sensitive than she is in some ways. another thing she does is want to be included in everything i do. i can't even go out with my own friends without her edging her way in, or getting upset with me for not inviting her. i am not perfect in this situation -- there are many things i regret about my handling of our relationship. i know that living away from her will probably help alleviate some of the pressure, and that's what i want to do. i don't like fighting with her all the time -- i'm not always rational with her, because i just go crazy when i have to deal with her at certain times.
if i may be completely and totally honest here, not only do i want to get away from my sister, i'd also really enjoy being out on my own and away from the confines of living with my mother. my sister drains both my mother & father financially, to the point where my mom is not going to be able to exist now without some financial help from someone else. she's almost 65, retiring age and failing health, but my sister has drained my mother's pension and so she doesn't have that to fall back on now. also, she makes my dad pay for college (which i never did, i balk at that thought) and she carelessly drops classes left & right at the last possible point (so no refund) because it doesn't look like she's going to do well.
i just want to get away from this totally oppressive situation, where i feel guilty and responsible for my mother because of missy's carelessness and her empty promises to take care of this or that. it would also be really nice to get away from missy wanting to be with me all the time. sometimes i want to yell, what are we, freakin married?!
suffice it to say *she* is definitely the moon/pluto in my life! check it out too, my moon is in the 3rd house in late sag, and loosely conjunct mars in early cap. this fits the standard delineation of a moon/mars conjunction in the 3rd house of siblings -- she's not only a very over the top emotional person prone to tantrums, she's also dominating and bullying.
and so, i've started a savings plan and i hope to be out of there by next year or possible in early 2008.
i've recently become involved again with someone from my past, a slightly younger than me (ha, he's actually 7.5 years younger than me) fellow named gordon. he has asperger's syndrome (a condition that is generally regarded as high functioning autism). he also has problems with OCD, anxiety, and so on. so we have neurology in common -- been on some of the same meds, have had some similar experiences. we started dating and were fast friends in no time in may of 2003 (his sun/mercury/nn/eros fall right on my pluto in late virgo, his sn is on my sun, and my moon squares his sun/mercury/nodes/eros), and last year in march of 2005 he suddenly stopped contacting me -- he had kind of a breakdown (he has a crazy mother who oversteps her boundaries constantly, a hallmark of a moon/neptune opposition). recently though he came back into my life and we've gotten closer again. thing is, he got a job in austin recently and this has helped him tremendously (he's more available now than he ever was). he's even suggested that when i move, i move down there with him (i live in the DFW metroplex, around 3 hours from austin tops). i'm happy about this, and ill probably give the matter some generous consideration. im still not sure what will happen -- but this period feels very very very important for me, i feel on the brink of major change.
and so, this brings me to my point -- i do feel this period is a period of retreat & adaptation. the circumstances are different than they were back in 87/88, but the main idea of needing to pull back so i can adjust myself & my way of reacting to the world is the same. next year i will have a progressed new moon too -- this is a major turning point for me, i can feel it.
well, i know i was way too wordy here but i hope this answers your question (which was a great one!).
chrissy
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Post by gemstar on Aug 17, 2006 22:30:52 GMT
Hello Everyone... Chrissy....I will be back to comment on your post....I always tell you that I like to pack a snack when I read your writing!! You write longer posts than I do!!!! Hee-hee....and it's all good! Tonight I am on my way out to dinner on Sanibel Island...with a good buddy of mine. He will be 58 on 8/20 and has a PIS Moon......he thinks I rock because of Astrology and because I am a 'girl' Home Remodeler! We worked together 10 years ago as Financial Advisors so he always knew me dressed in a conservative suit and my long blonde curly hair tucked in a chignon! Anyway....I will be back to comment further on everyone's posts. Quickly, it is my HOUSE that I am remodeling...and compared to the other $4-7 million dollar houses on my street..mine is the smallest!! That is OK because it is ALL MINE!! Though I was new to this city when my old job moved me here, somehow I found the most magical street of all! It didn't look so hot from the main road...and then the street turned left around a corner and I felt the magic surround me! It was amazing and one of those moments when I KNEW I was meant to own a home on this incredible street!Of course, it was a fancy street and even when we pulled up to this dump, I heard the realtor ask for the price on the listing and misheard the dollar figure (way on the high side) and I didn't blink an eye at the supposed high price. I thought to myself, Darn it, I missed it. I missed the opportunity because this would have been the perfect project for me and it is too late!! Lo and behold, the price was totally different and once I heard the asking price, I bounded inside to see what this house needed! All I can say was that it was meant to be mine. It is the coolest layout and for a 1970s Florida home, it rocks! I have had to gut every room in the house...scrap the entire yard....re-do everything!! The transformation has been a journey and at times I work like a maniac, and others....well, I simply fly off to Argentina and Tango for a month to get away!! This is my fourth home remodel project and the first one on my own (and Full-time for a career). Sometimes I do not know why I get scared....because this is my gift. My best talent. And the jaws drop each and every time I show the before and after photos. Perhaps one day I will post a few before and afters of a room or two. (Such a personal thing to show your house....isn't it? )Anyway, I work hard on these projects and most people will ask how I can let them go when I sell them. Especially when I have put my heart into a home. I tell them, 'Hey, I treat the home as if it were going to be mine forever and take such care with details. I think people can sense this....besides, in the end, it makes me feel good to sell it to good people and to cash the check!". Even if someone were to bulldoze it to make way for a McMansion similar to the other 10,000 sq ft houses on the street...that is fine with me. I usually have a secondary vision of what the house wants when it grows 'bigger' and design rooms with this in mind. So far, no bull-dozing of any past properties but hey, that is OK if it happens. I love homes and making them special. My recent guest swore there was something 'magnetic' about my beautiful home. Ha,ha...it is rather interesting as most people do not want to leave when they stop by! Perhaps my style is a reflection of me. It is warm and inviting, classical in taste but not overly stuffy....unique and rich with art, filled with elegant furniture (modern and antique) and with a certain calm 'living' energy. It makes no difference which house I make home....home is wherever I am. I want people to feel comfortable and also to breathe in the flow....the flow of how I feel a home should be experienced! Loving, safe, peaceful, and mostly, a wonderful place to return to at the end of a day! This might sound a bit out there, but a house will tell me what it wants. What it yearns and needs for the house to be it's best potential. Not all houses feel right to me. Some will never feel balanced because the basics are all screwy and lack the potential I am looking to find. Each house has a style...and some houses want to be transformed into a different style. It depends on the house and what it wants-and I listen. Voila...magic. I think I may even have the asteroid Midas in my 4th house...in PIS no less!! Anyway, so yes, it is a fabulous street and I grin because I may not own the $4 or $7 million dollar homes, however, I share the street with them.....and that is good company!! Til Later... Hugs- Gemstar
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Post by Juliet on Aug 18, 2006 0:22:12 GMT
Oh, lovely, Gem, I wish you would post those pictures. What in your chart makes you so good at decorating??
Chrissy, you are seeking your own way in the world again, just like you did when you were a lot younger, only in a different way. I guess you're learning to hold on to your own power. Don't you think I remember Gordon?? ;D
Congratulations Jade, I imagine this must feel better then just having kept it without informing someone. Consider it a gift from the Universe!
I went to see the most poetic and inspiring movie tonight: You and Me and Everyone Around Us. Cried the whole last part of it, pure beauty. Got another job offer today... I don't know how to say it in English: Project Manager of cultural congresses.. Does that make sense?? Miracles.
I wish you all inspiring times! Juliet
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Post by chrissymgreen on Aug 18, 2006 0:48:52 GMT
woops, i totally spaced out there!
welp, hopefully it'll be helpful to anyone who isn't familiar with the whole enchilada.
great stuff, gemstar -- your homes sound really beautiful -- i can see the air in your chart through your descriptions of your homes!
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Post by gemstar on Aug 18, 2006 11:20:23 GMT
Hey Jadie-Don't think for a minute that I do not get exhausted! I DO! Even though it is my passion, much of the work I do myself, and physically, it is draining. There may be weeks where I feel burned out and simply do nothing huge project-wise. Maybe that time is spent planning...changing ideas....researching things or prices.
Stripping and refinishing is definitely no fun. That is one of those things which can be done, but usually looks better when completed by the people who do that stuff day in and day out. Bravo to you for taking on that project! There is tremendous satisfaction when you do the project yourself and it looks awesome!
The next project-home I think I will hire out most of the work....though I like to physically complete things myself, I get too tired and the project gets behind on it's timeline. (Hence, my current delimma of 'to sell or not to sell' in this current declining real estate market. If I had met my timeline, I would have sold at the peak!! Oh well....it doesn't bother me too much.) This street is amazing....and I get a thrill each time someone remarks on it being their favorite street....Actually, I do not think I could afford to buy on it again!
Anyway....waxing cars in the Florida heat is one of my least favorite things to do so I found a place that will do it for me for : $29 dollars. YEAH! In fact, I am overdue to have that done!! I waxed my 'first' car once, put the paste on and then took a phone call for 2 hours...OMG, that darn wax junk was BAKED onto the car....ugh. It took me a whole weekend to scrub that stuff off!!!!!!!! Ha,ha......lesson learned!
Hugs- GemStar
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Post by gemstar on Aug 18, 2006 11:27:36 GMT
Juliet-CONGRATS on another job offer! Tell us what a 'cultural congress' is exactly? Meetings of some sort? Gatherings? That movie sounds really great-I will look for it! And in answer to your creative question-there are a few things in my chart which point to creativity and specifically 'COLOR'. I think it may be the Taurus Venus sextiles to Cancer Moon and Cancer Mercury. Using color within a home is different than painting an object d'art. There are light considerations....reflections from water....sunsets......blue pools...wood flooring...shadows as the light changes during the day.....Truthfully, I have made so many mistakes with regard to these considerations, I have become an expert of sorts! Congrats on your additional job offer!!! Hugs- GemStar
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Post by digitalchi on Aug 18, 2006 12:06:15 GMT
Gemstar - thank you for this thread + all of you for sharing your experiences! I discovered two days ago that the 22 Sep eclipse is at 29 Virgo - which is THE EXACT DEGREE of my MC. I was frantic, looking for information on what this could mean! My axes hits: the 10th and 4thLike GemStar, I'm working for myself - have been since 2003. The first two years were really tough. Things have come together in the last year, but there is still that uneasy sensation of flying without a safety net. No matter, I love my work - small brag: I've just saved 28 elephants from being hunted and closed down a canned hunting operation, so it's that kind of fulfiling I have taken the huge step of (cautiously) buying a house (the property market has skyrocketed in my part of the world, and I was so lucky to find this one, even tho I wasn't exactly looking - about a month after the March solar eclipse in my 4th house! This is my first house of my own! Huge step!). I will be moving to the new spot on 1 Sep! I am however having a torrid time with my family I have suddenly realised - or finally admitted to myself - that I dislike them as people. Very liberating! Direct eclipse hits!But my eclipse is going to have specific effect: my MC and Juno are both at 29 Virgo, with my Pluto closely conjunct at 1 Libra in the 10th. The eclipse also sextiles my Merc-Ven-Nep stellium (including Merc, which rules my MC and 6th) in 11th. At the same time, Mercury transits my 10th, conjunct my natal Uranus (ruler of my 2nd), and Mars (ruler of Aries intercepted in 4th) also transits my 10th, trine my natal Node (2nd). It seems to me that there's a distinct emphasis on 10th and 2nd! But I don't know whether this is positive or negative energy. I love my work and would really rather it was not stuffed up by the eclipse .... I've photobucketed the transit chart at i18.photobucket.com/albums/b102/DigitalChi/Transits.jpg -- muy muy appreciated if someone will take a look and post a view. Ciao Chi
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