Moon VOC in events

[Juliet]

Yesterday I discovered I met all three of my BIG loves during a VOC Moon... One can hardly say 'Nothing came of it'. Just the opposite. A Status Quo thing?

Anyone else??

Juliet

[chrissymgreen]

Juliet,

I have noticed this too, once before...I met one of my really close gal pals when the Moon was in Pisces and making no applying aspects. We're still friends today, very good friends. We have strong synastry, though, as my Sun in Pisces & Moon in Sag is opposite her Sun in Sag & Moon in Pisces. Plus my Asc is middle Libra and this is her NN...conversely, her Asc is late Aqua and this is my NN/Venus. So there's a strong friendship bond there.

Though I just noticed as I pull up the chart of the 1st meeting here...that the Moon actually made a square to Mercury & Pluto (pretty much at same time), and then a trine to the Sun & Saturn (same time) before it left the sign of Pisces; these aspects were not applying at time of meeting though. Moon was at 8 Pisces at time of meeting, and these aspects perfected right before Moon left Pisces in late degrees. So I guess technically the Moon wasn't VOC.

Though I have to say, I'm quite sure I read somewhere Paul Newman & Joanne Woodard married on a Taurus VOC Moon, and they have one of the longest standing marriages in hollywood. I'll search around for that link.

According to Lilly the Moon in some signs can perform even if VOC, like Pisces...Libra...Sag...Taurus. Cancer too.


Anyone else?


C

[chrissymgreen]

OK, I did just find that link...and I got her name wrong, it's Joanne Woodward, not Woodard. Sorry about that, Joanne.

Here it is:

http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Delphi/1601/paulnew.html

Here's the snippet:

Paul Newman and Joanne Woodward are both well known American actors, with lengthy and successful careers in film. They were married January 29, 1958, at 1:00 PM and are still married at present, making this one of the longest Hollywood marriages on record. I chose their marriage as an example of how synastry analysis can be an excellent tool for predicting relationship compatibility. The marriage chart has a Void of Course Moon, indicating the marriage will go on forever without major changes. I would like to note here that a bad marriage chart can destroy the best possible synastry, but a great marriage chart can compensate for some otherwise really bad synastry.

Technically speaking I'm not sure the Moon here is VOC. It's late Taurus, but I do think it is applying to other planets...it just has to leave the sign of Taurus 1st. This would be a VOC Moon to some but not to others.


Hope this helps.

[Juliet]

Hi Chrissy! How are you??

Oh, the Moon at the date of their marriage was definitely VOC at 29.35 degrees of Tau. I consider the Moon VOC when it does not perfect aspects before it changes signs.

So I guess your 8 deg Pisces Moon does not qualify...

With meeting I actually mean kissing.

1 bf: Gemini VOC Moon
2 bf: Cancer VOC Moon
3 bf: Aqua VOC Moon

Best, Juliet

[chrissymgreen]

Hey Juliet! I'm great, and you?

(Feeling a little lazy today however, wish I could finish up work early and make myself scarce but you know how it goes...)

Anyway, you know, that's really interesting about PN & JW's marriage Moon. That's conjunct Algol which is particularly malefic. But you know...there's something really great about the 2 of them together. I don't see anything bad there at all. Perhaps there's something to Lilly's idea that the Moon is not VOC if it is applying to another planet even if it has to change signs 1st. Were the Moons in your 1st meeting charts with boyfriends 1-3 applying to another planet/planets? Could be indicative of some kind of symbolic change brought about by the action (because aspects = action) since the Moon changes signs before perfection of aspect. What do you think?

Otherwise not sure, I've often wondered about this. Here is an article I had bookmarked on the matter:

www.worldastrology.net/articles/voc.html

I think this passage is interesting to note:

So, as the Moon is the prime mover in a horary chart, its lack of applications, which can occur anywhere within the sign, might show that nothing can happen or that the querent is not able to affect the situation. Lilly says, that the Moon is not so ineffective when void of course and in the signs of Taurus (the Moon's exaltation), Cancer (the Moon's sign of rulership), Sagittarius or Pisces (both signs ruled by the greater benefic, Jupiter). The Moon when void of course is impedited because it cannot carry out its task of transferring planetary virtues. But, as Lilly's examples will show, this does not necessarily preclude judgement. It might show, though, that the querent has less influence unless the other significators are strong and active.

I know of an astrologer who operates an evolutionary astrology board who says that if a VOC Moon aspects your natal chart, the effects are different than if it doesn't. I don't know about this, I haven't really checked into it. He says:

"The v/c is not necessarily violent or dangerous in that sense, but more about energy leaks."

Dunno if this is helpful


C

[Kim Falconer]

This is so interesting!

First up, the definition of a VOC moon is that it makes NO APPLYING aspects to planets in the chart BEFORE it changes sign. You could have moon at 29 Taurus conjunct Sun at 0 Gemini, and that ASPECT would of course be quite potent, but the moon is VOC.

As far as Lilly goes, I think the Moon 'performs' whether she is VOC or not in a natal or synastry or progressed chart...in horary it has specific meaning because the moon is a timing device there...she tells us what will occur in what order by her applying aspects. When there are no applying aspects (in sign) then we say 'nothing'...there is nothing to worry about or nothing will happen.

This is not the case, certainly, in reading other charts. Those born with a VOC moon have things happen to them and with them just like anyone else. In the case of synastry and composite, same thing...plenty happens, if there are connections IN or OUT of sign.

Now, the EVENT chart that Juliet is noting is different again. I haven't researched this but I must say that my ex husband and I kissed for the first time with the moon VOC at 28 Cancer! This is so interesting....and the quirky thing I get is that if 'nothing had changed' we'd still be kissing...it was like the gods were challenging growth by creating a haven...provided there was no change! Well, who can live in that for any length of time?

Not me!

Perhaps this is something connected to the astrologer's ideas (see Chrissy's link above) that The marriage chart has a Void of Course Moon, indicating the marriage will go on forever without major changes. I don't support the idea that a 'good' event chart for the marriage can improve a 'difficult' synastry or visa versa...It's not that simple! You can't do, say, a Moon/Uranus-ectomy just because the marriage chart has Moon trine Venus....You might have a great time at the wedding, and you may LONG to reclaim that feeling in the marriage, but you still have to go home and deal with the Moon/Uranus contact...


This would be a fascinating research topic....

Thanks Juliet for bringing this up!

Warmly, curiously,
Kim

[chrissymgreen]

Hey there guys,

I do think it is interesting to note that Lilly and Dariot regarded a void of course Moon as a Moon that did not begin any applying, major Ptolemaic aspects (conjunction, sextile, square, trine, opposition) before leaving her sign. Modern astrologers, however, regard a VOC Moon as one that does not complete any major aspects before leaving her sign.

A Planet is void of course, when he is separated from a Planet, nor does forthwith, during his being in that Sign, apply to any other: This is most usually in the Moon; in judgments do you carefully observe whether she be void of course yea or no; you shall seldom see a business go handsomely forward when she is so.

– William Lilly, "Christian Astrology" 1647.

While I don't adhere to the astrologer's belief (in that article on JW & PN's marriage) that a nice marriage chart will go some way to off-setting any difficult aspects between a couple synastrically (I do believe couples tend to pick a time to marry that reflects the kind of marriage they will be naturally inclined to have together, for the most part), there is something interesting about the energy during a VOC Moon. Obviously we engage in all kinds of activities when the Moon is VOC since VOC periods crop up all the time...I think the general impression I get from reading about what a VOC period is all about is that it's more of a time to reflect, be more spiritual (the mind is naturally turned inside). Maybe energy leaks, as Maurice says (and I like how he says that), are more apparent but it can't be as black and white as some would think. Perhaps this is just a time when we are tuned in more, to our insides -- this could be a great thing.


Great topic! I am going to do more delving into this.



Chrissy

[Kim Falconer]

chrissymgreen said:

I do believe couples tend to pick a time to marry that reflects the kind of marriage they will be naturally inclined to have together, for the most part)

Very Insightful, Chrissy. The 'picking' may be unconscious, usually is, though the synchronicity is often astonishing when viewed a little further down the track.

And we do 'do' all sorts of things on the VOC Moon, yes. It's just interesting to ponder the links to various events, past and future!

Kim

[Juliet]

Hi! Got a lot of catching up to do here, want to study this more. Thanks for your thoughts, and I'm fine too!
(I'm in a hurry and in an exclamation mood apparently!)

;D
Juliet

[stella_arcana]

Here's an article I came a cross a few years back which inspired me to start observing the VOC moon in relationship to events. I've found most of the observations Jenni Stone made in her research on the topic held true

www.mountainastrologer.com/stone1003.html

It's interesting to watch friends and family, what they do during VOC Moon and how it works out... so much so that I ended up writing to the astrologer that produces an Australian astrological diary to ask if he could include the Moon VOC periods for easy reference!

SA

[gemstar]

Thank you stella_arcana!!

EXCELLENT article! So glad to have a reference list of what-to-do's and nots during this period.

Quick question for all: I have a VOC Progressed Moon for 8 more degrees until it changes signs.....does this mean nothing terribly exciting to deal with for 8 months? Or simply, nothing important to become aware of?? It looks rather boring to this Gem Sun....though boring is not always unwelcome!!

Hugs-
GemStar

[AquarianEssence]

The link to Sue Ward's article above is rather confusing. First she quotes Lilly as saying, "A Planet is voyd of course, when he is seperated from a Planet, nor doth forthwith1, during his being in that signe, apply to any other:" ...but then she goes on to say later that Moon at 26 Pisces is applying a trine to Sun at 7 Leo so is not void. This is a contradiction. Moon has to leave Pisces and enter Aries first before that trine can be perfected.

[chrissymgreen]

Yeah, I noticed that, too. I wondered about that. I know Lilly often contradicted himself in CA, but it is generally accepted that his standard operating procedure was to consider the Moon VOC only if the Moon did not begin any major aspects before it left her sign. So the Moon in late Pisces applying to another planet, where the Moon will have to change signs in order to perfect said aspect, would not be considered void by Lilly. The Moon could actually be void anywhere in a sign, according to Lilly. If she does not apply to any other planet then she is void. This was my understanding...I wrote Anthony Louis about this and asked for a clarification, and he said:

Regarding the void-of-course (VOC) Moon, there appear to be at least two definitions. The modern one is that the Moon is VOC when it completes no further major aspects before leaving its sign. Sue Ward has shown that this modern definition appears to be a misunderstanding of the traditional idea the the Moon is VOC whenever it lies outside the order of any major aspect (conjuction, sextile, trine, square, opposition). Dorotheus called this void state "lying in an aspect vacuum". In the original definition, the Moon could be void anywhere in a sign, so long as the Moon was not within orb of any major aspect or conjunction. Lilly used this original definition in his text on horary.

The orignal idea is that the aspects of the Moon drive the horary chart and can only exert their influence when the Moon is within orb of a major aspect. In Lilly's use of VOC, the Moon outside the orb of any major aspect is like a car that has run out of gas. It can't go very far and nothing much happens in such a chart.



Hope this is helpful.

[Aphrodite]

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[Kim Falconer]

Here is more on the VOC Moon for those who've been following. We have such a wealth of resources here! Always worth a search.

Kim