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Post by AquarianEssence on Jun 18, 2006 22:59:33 GMT
Excluding asteroids, I have at the AP;
Saturn/Pluto 0Libra10 2nd, Libra ruling 3rd Moon/Eq 0Libra43 Eq/POF, Pluto/MC 1Cancer 11th, Cancer ruling 12th Mars/Vesta 28Pis41 8th Vtx/Vesta 29Pis42 incoming PR POF 0Libra53 in 1st, MC/Vesta, Sun/PL, Ve/Ju 29mutable
So I have the transiting south node and Pr. POF on my natal Saturn/Pluto in the 2nd.
The one that stands out the most for me is Saturn/Pluto. I asked some very important questions on the public forum of a very famous astrologer specifically addressing the questions to him, as he is the one that started the thread. Again, as most every time in the past, I am completely invisible, ignored. The few times I have been addressed I have been talked down to, very blatently. There was even a statement made that women that limit themselves to caring for their home and children don't always bring in the full power of transits, arcs, etc. That was my life for many, many years and a very honorable job. You might wonder why I bother ever go there again. Perhaps because the asteroid bearing his name in my 9th, what others say, is at the Solstice point of my Sun, a statement of my worth in the 2nd.
So how would you account for the apparant invisibility of this AP contact? With the POF also involved, is it because I don't choose to be a paying student?, The EQ, my personality? The two things that make me feel the most disrespected is hanging up the phone without saying good-by because you don't like what I'm saying and ignoring me. I am just as valuable as anyone else. But if other's won't acknowledge our worth then we can't manifest or worth. No man is an island.
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Post by primamateria on Jun 18, 2006 23:01:05 GMT
Jamma, you poor wee fried fishy Maybe it was Mars-Saturn that has been putting the heat on you?? I've observed some remarkably similar reactions amongst myself and friends... One thing I do know is that it will all pass soon.... peace, pm
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Post by taurusbirthday on Jun 19, 2006 22:04:08 GMT
Aquarian[quint]essence: at 0 Libra, opposite AP - NN is...natal Pluto(?) and your natal Mars, Vesta and Vertex are near the AP.
Transformation to common consciousness (making ego a servant rather than a master) are intuitively known by one with such placements.
The experience you had with ego is about letting go of ego, and trusting your inner wisdom, IMHO...and who cares whether a famous astrologer responds to your question. I mean, it is nice to be heard. And we are on forum to learn and make use of our learning in the moment, yet...
your feelings are eloquent. I honor them and you, so
I may not be able to interpret charts very accurately yet, but I'm working on it.
I hope you check in and keep us informed how this Solstice Shift is going and how you're feeling.
Taurusbirthday
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Post by 3rdhousenorth on Jun 19, 2006 22:51:23 GMT
Well, I've had an interesting transit of NN on my Eros conjunct AP (Eros at 0Ari40). A couple of love interests (neither yet consumated)... and now today I receive in the mail a handwritten letter from the guy I was seeing last year, highly physical relationship, who dumped me the end of November to my great pain - he writes me that he has been diagnosed with herpes. Isn't that ironic? Seems more like my Venus conjunct Pluto, but I guess Eros in the 8th house maybe fits, too. Sigh.
I haven't been tested yet, but I'm sure I have it. Never had an outbreak except on my foot (is that weird??) in March when I was very stressed after traveling. But then the statistics are that 1 out of every 5 adult in America has the virus and 90% have no idea they do, because most are asymptomatic. Something for all of you to keep in mind.
I'm not sure if there's any meaning in this for me. Anyone?
3rdhousenorth
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Post by 3rdhousenorth on Jun 19, 2006 22:54:35 GMT
I should add to fill out the picture that I also have Neptune transiting my Dsc conjunct Chiron! Longer term than NN conjunct AP/Eros, but part of the picture.
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Post by AquarianEssence on Jun 19, 2006 23:47:00 GMT
Jade, Eq is short for equitorial ascendant. My Scorpio Moon is void.
Taurusbirthday, thank you so much. That's so interensting you wrote Aquintessence. When I was regrouping, closing my greenhouse and starting fresh, the cards gave me the Star for my new name. Well I heard AquarianEssence but my fear of being judged by my old Christian friends directed me toward Aquintenessence, the 5th essence. But everytime I tried to design my new logo on the computor it would freeze up on me, my computor genie, I call him. When I finally cooperated I had no more problems.
The / designates the midpoint. Pluto is 25 Leo in my 1st, Saturn 5 Scorpio in the 3rd so they are also contra-antiscion. (both are equal distances from 0Aries/Libra so one has as much light to gain as the other has to give) The south node is at the midpoint now. I also have the point of treachery there. My 1st husband had point of passion conjunct. Is that scary or what? And I've read some of your posts, you are doing well with your reading.
3rdhouse, I must have gotten herpes from my folks who both have it. I had one blister in my early 20s and nothing for 30 years. And I've had much more stressful times. It's a weird virus. When I was playing around with words one day I noticed that if I cut it in half (her pes) and put the first last and the last first I have the Hebrew word pesher, meaning interpretation. In the Hebrew texts as the scribes were copying the script they would write the word pesher in the margin and put their interpretation there. Interesting? I have an interpretation mark on my face. I wonder if that is anything like the mark God put on Cains head to protect him. [:-)] I've also been experiencing Neputune passing back and forth across my descendant.
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Post by primamateria on Jun 20, 2006 1:12:45 GMT
taurus birthday - I'm interested in this that you wrote:
Aquarian[quint]essence: at 0 Libra, opposite AP - NN is...natal Pluto(?) and your natal Mars, Vesta and Vertex are near the AP.
Transformation to common consciousness (making ego a servant rather than a master) are intuitively known by one with such placements.
where does this come from?? I have natal nn at 29'43 pisces and Uranus at 0 Libra... and its not common to find interpretations of this.
I'm getting quite a lot of attention on my tenth house and seventh - I guess that the seventh is midway between my nodes/AP so it kind of makes sense - but its mostly to do with how the world sees me (tenth) and how I feel about myself (fourth), and how this is mediated in and through relating to others.
two men I know who are married have declared their wish to have an affair with me this week...I'm examining what I'm projecting into the world that would enable them to even consider that I'd be willing! ICK.
and the interaction between C and I continues, although it really should be finished by now... I'm beginning to see that there is no need for me to 'reject' him... in the past I have found it all too easy to push people completely away from me rather than face what it is about them that is so intolerable (which is invariably about ME and what is intolerable and uncivilised about my self). There've been a lot of hard answers in the past week.
I hope everyone is OK, holding up under this sky.
peace, pm
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Post by 3rdhousenorth on Jun 20, 2006 13:15:30 GMT
Thanks, aquarianessence. That's an interesting way to look at it - interpretation. (And interesting having Neptune transit the Dsc, no?) I also appreciate the reassurance that outbreaks don't always repeat. One of my love interests called last night and I told him about the letter with the diagnosis and he was completely unphased by it. That was reassuring. (My Sun square Saturn in the 5th expects rejection in love, I'm afraid.)
primateria: "two men I know who are married have declared their wish to have an affair with me this week" - wow! Maybe you're just sending out some magnetic energy and they just happened to be nearby to click into it? I'm too new here to be able to follow the existing relationship stories yet, but I hear you on facing the intolerables in other/self. Funny how relationships put a mirror up to one's own face. Not easy.
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Post by taurusbirthday on Jun 21, 2006 6:24:31 GMT
Well, PM: I was confusing midpoints with conjunctions!
Still, I think the NN crossing AP (square sun) indicates more a universal development than merely individual, and with tr Chiron square Jup and opp Sat there's some healing of ancient "enthrallment" to religion or sexual politics or ego-identity. The NN is not in the same house for everyone, but everyone may feel a nudge toward common consciousness with this AP crossing!
Just a thought in this thread -- what do you think PM?
Taurusbirthday
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Post by taurusbirthday on Jun 21, 2006 6:29:31 GMT
A'essence --
Quintessence: how do you describe it? When I first heard it described in connection with one of the major arcana of the Tarot I was delighted! Let's all be in touch with quintessence!
Taurusbirthday
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Post by taurusbirthday on Jun 21, 2006 6:45:00 GMT
PM -- Of course, both natal and transiting SN are conunct Uranus in Libra (0 degree):
Uranus in Libra - Libra Uranus
"Those born in this generation have the ability to receive intuitively from the planetary mind innovative ways of relating to people and handling the area of personal relationships from a new level of understanding. Disruption occurs from outmoded ideals about the marriage relationship, and in the arena of partnership agreements in general."
(from another Astrolgy Forum)
So -- here's the outmoded being shattered by Uranus, for a whole entire generation of folks, not to mention the rest of us who don't even have Uranus at 0 Libra -uch new can evolve as the NN is ossing AP.
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Post by primamateria on Jun 21, 2006 8:38:29 GMT
hi! ;D ha, AE - yah, I'm a man magnet at the moment and actually loving it... and strangely enough none of the men I've rejected seem to be upset with me... finally learning the art of wiles?? hmm... here is to finding one that is actually available... I'll let you all know as I've been asked out by FOUR men now! TB: I think the NN crossing AP (square sun) indicates more a universal development than merely individual, and with tr Chiron square Jup and opp Sat there's some healing of ancient "enthrallment" to religion or sexual politics or ego-identity. The NN is not in the same house for everyone, but everyone may feel a nudge toward common consciousness with this AP crossing!yes, well I concur... I see a lot of individuals around having a pretty tricky time of things lately - being confronted with all sorts of 'aspects of self' and having their projections mirrored back in BIG ways... this sure is an awesome sky! Real soul making stuff. we also have a GC alignment and solstice, as well as a lunar standstill season going on. yeah, my NN/SN is right on those AP's Aries and Libra... so having a return this weekend... and I'm definitely unconventional in my relationships... I married the same man twice - and had two of our four children while not even in a relationship with him... I often go about forming bonds with others in strange ways... but mostly this aspect manifests as most people having a lot of difficulty understanding me as I don't fit with their ideas of how a woman should relate... not to mention some intensity that comes from having my Uranus/SN/Jup/IC/Pluto aspecting so much of the rest of my chart...ah well.. its just so good to have let go of my attachment to what others think of me and how I am in the world... joy! pm
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Post by AquarianEssence on Jun 21, 2006 11:15:12 GMT
pm, as they say the 29th degree of Pisces is the degree of expiation and atonement, the connection to Uranus could very well be about being at-one with the higher self. They say Chiron's mission is to bridge Saturn, ego holding an image in the world, with Uranus, the truely unique self that only comes from having the higher self steering the ship.
With Chiron squaring Jupiter and opposing Saturn I feel like the birth pangs have begun. Jupiter expands or dialates the cervix ("neck") as Saturn's contractions build to a crescendo (Jupiter again). Perhaps this, along with natal Chiron square Venus, but trine Mercury ruling my neck is where the problems there originate. I read somethere that we channel in through the neck and the wryneck is connected somehow. I wonder if it's on the left side?
Chiron was discovered Nov. 1, 1977 so he is coming into his 1st Saturn return next year. A while back he went through his 2nd nodal reversal at when the apparant node was at critical 13 Aries-Libra. I've wondered if the nn conj. sn may signify a time of personal pole reversals. During the last trimester of gestation a baby moves head down so that his north pole is conjunct the mother's south pole. During this time the greatest rate of growth occurs. The nodal return at 18 (along with the lunar standstill cycle) would signify the beginning of the last trimester of Saturn's cycle. Right now Jupiter is passing over Chiron's Sun with Saturn square. He is also squaring his own Sun and opposing Saturn's authority over his ego. (Saturn in 10th house type of square to Chiron's Sun.) He is preparing to fully embody his Solar self. Natal Uranus conjunct Sun will make that happen. Chiron's pre birth new Moon was a solar eclipse on his natal Venus which just happens to be contra-antiscion to my Sun. That eclipse puts a very strong emphasis on the power of the feminine in healing and in being a channel for the higher self. All of the inner planets in his discovery chart are much less mature that his Saturn energy showing, perhaps, that Saturn has come to the end of his reign. When he was about 8 years old Saturn went void by progression in a beautiful sextile with Venus at 29 Libra. (When the south node was last at 29 Libra I was going through the greatest crisis of my life, so intense I haven't even been able to find appropriate words)
Could the married men symbolize the union of self and Self? Just a thought. Often if we view strange happenings from a symbolic perspective, they begin to make sense.
Tau, I guess I would describe the quintessence as spirit or ether or prana. Have you ever stared off into the sky unfocused, like you do to look at the aura or a stereo picture and seen sparkles darting around? This is prana. They say that fire describes spirit but the ancient words for spirit mean air or breath. As I think I said in another thread, the spirit hovered over the void where there was nothing but the waters, the material for creation. The 1st action following the creation of light was to separate the waters below from the waters above with air, spirit between. But the waters, although plural, are always used as a singular, they are one. This is probably symboli of the feelings and the subconscious material. I see the angel in the Star trump pouring out prana, the quintessence, infusing the the waters and earth.
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Post by blueorchids on Jun 21, 2006 12:13:37 GMT
My sun is at Gemini 0 54 so it is sextiling the transiting AP. Also Eros is in Gemini now too. It is difficult for me to discern exactly the impact of either. The meds the doctors have put me on this week cause severe nausea so all that Gemini chatty sun energy with flirty eros is being held back by puking. Yet I actually have had to battle myself to just take a deep breath, follow dietary and drug directions instead of running around in studio , cleaning house and fooling around with the children. So it may be attempting to energize me!!!
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Post by AquarianEssence on Jun 21, 2006 12:36:05 GMT
If you're following directions with the drug and it makes you sick you should assess if its the correct route for you. Ginger helps with even the most severe nausea, no matter what the cause. If its something that shouldn't be ingested, it will remove it quickly, otherwise it will settle the nausea.
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