solar arcs & trigger transits

[chrissymgreen]

hello all,

i have been studying solar arcs for a couple of months now, and i am very intrigued by what i have discovered. a great book on the topic is noel tyl's "solar arcs: astrology's most successful predictive system". i highly recommend it. i'm somewhere in the chapter on indirect arcs, so i'm maybe a third of the way through.

btw, you can check your current solar arc chart on astrodienst, just go to extended chart selection and choose "natal, progressed, and solar arc combined" under type of chart you want. download the PDF file, look on the 3rd page, and there's your current SA chart. down at the bottom is the aspectarian grid, i believe the SA positions are on the left and the natals up at the top. look for any solar arc planets/angles making hard aspect to your natal planets/angles (conjunction, opp, square, semisquare, sesquiquadrate). if the aspect is applying by 1°, that equates generally speaking to 1 year away. the basic rule for SAs is 1° = 1 year. 30 minutes = half a year and 5 minutes = 1 month. of course, for people born march through september the arc may be a little off from that due to the flux in the sun's speed, but there's the general gist of it, 1°=1 year. direct arcs are generally active, noel tyl says, for about a year and a half...with the arc being more likely to produce an event closer the date of perfection or just a little after. though in actuality i have come across at least a couple major arcs in my chart that started taking effect for me as soon as they became active, that is to say, the arc had just begun to apply by 1°. so perfection was a year away but i noticed activity relating to the arc around a year prior. anyway, what you are supposed to look for are trigger transits, and what your SP moon is doing. these things can trigger an arc.

the thing i have some trouble understanding is the trigger transits. do you look for the planets involved in the arc to be involved in aspects to your natal planets? OR do you look for transiting planets to be aspecting the planets/angles involved in the arc? or does it really matter, should you just be checking any major transits?

for instance, i have this arc active right now, MC=venus (this means SA midheaven has arced into hard aspect with my natal venus...in this instance it's an opposition, my natal venus is at the SA 4th cusp opposing the SA midheaven) and im a little confused as to what i should be looking for that could trigger it. i have transiting neptune conjuncting my venus right now, it just passed over it for the 1st time, would that be what to look for? or given that that is a more long-term type transit, should i be looking for the long term transit plus the faster planet transits to trigger it? like venus, should i perhaps look for tr venus to aspect something in my natal, for instance in about a week tr venus will conjunct my natal venus (ill be having my venus return then, natch). i get the impression THAT is what im supposed to be doing, looking for the long term transits that relate to the arc and then checking the faster moving ones as triggers. am i off base here?

for some reason i just cant seem to understand that particular arc, as it generally relates to "falling in love, getting a raise, forwarding a career in the arts" according to tyl, and this doesnt really fit my life right now. im wondering if this arc is even going to activate for me. it will only be active for about another 6 months, it's already separating by a couple minutes.


any thoughts appreciated!


much thanks,
chrissy

[Kim Falconer]

Hi Chrissy,

Thanks for introducing the solar arch thread!

You said
the thing i have some trouble understanding is the trigger transits. do you look for the planets involved in the arc to be involved in aspects to your natal planets? OR do you look for transiting planets to be aspecting the planets/angles involved in the arc? or does it really matter, should you just be checking any major transits?

Okay. Triggers are generally short term transits that ZIP across a point that has been activated for a much longer time. Triggers FIRE the long term transit or progression or direction (SA) into expressing. (not always, but often).

If you have Transiting Pluto square the natal Moon, it's in effect for YEARS!!! (within 10 degree orb) You won't be experiencing Pluto square Moon every single day for years though. You might go months without an hint and then, a trigger planet comes along, like Mercury turning direct on that point, or a Lunar event on that point or it's opposition, or perhaps and asteroid station (Eros can be an interesting trigger) AND WHAMMMOOO, the long term transit or progression leaps into action. It suddenly expresses all over the shop because the trigger has set it off.

Triggers move quickly over degrees in the chart that have been under a much much longer influence. It's like we become immune to the long term transit or direction and the trigger instantly sensitizes us again.

Examples of triggers are, as mentioned, Lunations (lunar events like full, new and eclipses) Mercury transits, especially changes of direction, Eros, some asteroids sometimes but this is still under research, the progressed moon (converse or direct) and sometimes Venus, Mars and the Sun when it's involved with the Lunation.

Does that help?

If you want to understand the SA Venus direction you need to build up a sense of meaning around Venus. Think of what she wants, needs and has to offer you, especially in her given sign, house, decan and dwad.

Let me know if this makes sense.

Kim

[primamateria]

geepers! thanks Chrissy - I was in the metaphysical bookshop yesterday and saw the very same book - considered getting it and then realised I haven't a clue about solar arcs... this might be a good time to learn hey?

Kim, I'm very impressed at how you know SO much about so many things! You must be a genius! Where is your mercury!? Do you have Mercury triine or sextile Uranus?

blessings, pm

[primamateria]

oooh this solar arc thing is driving me nuts! I've got the data, just don't know what it means.... the aspectarian chart shows only aspects that are less than 0 degrees applying or sep - only one conjunction (natal sun and sa chiron, 0.02s) and two oppositions (natal mercury opp sa moon - 0 degrees, app; and natal mars opp sa sun, - 0 app).. and a barrel of quintiles, bi quintiles, inconjuncts, sesqui-whatsits....

eek! My own mercury in Gemini is not helping... pm

[chrissymgreen]

Dear Jade,

This IS an important time in your life; you're around 45 now, right? I think it's mid-40s that all of the SA planets and points semisquare their natal positions. I'll check on this for you later on. Noel Tyl has some stuff to say about this period in his book, I'll see if I can't find that passage and pass along any relevant info to you as well. Also, I'm pretty sure there's a major thread on his site forum that I'll try to dig up for you.

Dear Primamateria,

You said:

oooh this solar arc thing is driving me nuts! I've got the data, just don't know what it means.... the aspectarian chart shows only aspects that are less than 0 degrees applying or sep - only one conjunction (natal sun and sa chiron, 0.02s) and two oppositions (natal mercury opp sa moon - 0 degrees, app; and natal mars opp sa sun, - 0 app).. and a barrel of quintiles, bi quintiles, inconjuncts, sesqui-whatsits....


Why don't you send me the PDF you downloaded from astro.com? I have a personal e-mail address, it's

[e-mail]

and I'll take a look at it for you and then I'll post some info from Tyl's book for you. We can see if the arc themes are matching your current life.

Just to clarify, all the aspects in the aspectarian grid will be applying or separating by 1° or less. In solar arc theory, if you see an applying aspect by 1° it means the arc just became active and the perfection is 1 year away. If you see one applying by 30 minutes, it's 6 months away. If you see one applying by 5 minutes, that's 1 month away. Generally speaking. The orb that you want to concentrate on is 1° applying all the way up to 30 minutes separating. Does that make sense?

Also, the only aspects you want to look at the conjunction, square, opposition, semisquare (45°) and sesquiquadrate (135°). The semisquare glyph is the angled L-shape and the sesquiquadrate is the square with the little leg at the bottom, it looks a little like a square Q. I will try and post a sample of my own chart with stuff highlighted as examples later on.

Funny you mention Mercury-Uranus contacts! I have a near exact one, and I think though my mind can work rather quickly, I often feel like it's racing ahead of me by miles, like my head might explode... ;D It's an opposition though, so the energy is over-excited.

Dear Kim,

Thanks SO much, I think it's really starting to come together for me now!

So, these triggers work on many levels, I gather. Like for instance, to use an example involving a long-term transit:

• transiting Neptune is conjuncting my natal Venus in the 5th right now. Obviously this is a very long-term transit, I think Neptune will make its final pass over my Venus in January 2007. On March 25, 2006, transiting Venus will join tr Neptune and thus both Venus & Neptune will be on my natal Venus. This is a good example of a trigger, no? (Also, on that very day transiting Jupiter will be in my 2nd house perfecting a square to tr Ve & Ne on my natal Venus. That's not technically considered a trigger, though, is it?)

Another example:

• transiting Pluto is conjunct my natal Moon right now, I think this transit will last for me until well into next year, or possibly 2008. And really a lot longer if you consider a wide orb of application & separation. The very interesting (and difficult) thing is that my Moon is the apex of a t-square involving the Sun & Pluto. It is a tight t-square, orbs of 1° or less. So tr Pluto is on my natal Moon, squaring my natal Pluto AND Sun. This is a DOOZY! Anyway, a potential trigger could be in September, when I see that there's a new Moon solar eclipse at 29° Virgo. So that eclipse will be on my natal Pluto, squaring tr Pluto on my natal Moon, and opposing my natal Sun. Right?

Then, I think it's really clicking for me about how it works in other areas as well. That tr Ve-Ne conjunction to my natal Venus in late March could also activate that arc, MC=Venus, right? It would be one example of a trigger anyway.

Then say I have a long-term progressed aspect...I'm checking my SP chart now, looks like the only major thing I have going on within the suggested 1° orb and keeping to hard aspects only is progressed Mercury RX in late Aries square Progressed Mars in late Capricorn. It looks like in late late September 2006 Mercury will hit late Libra, that might be an example of a trigger transit for a progression, right?

As for my MC=Venus, I understand from Tyl that this means there's a "midheavenization" (I know that's not even a real word, but it'll do) of my natal Venus. That's why an arc like that is attached to falling in love, getting a raise, something of that nature I guess. You're also supposed to check the house that Venus rules in this case, and in my natal Venus rules the 1st and 8th. I know that I experienced the arc Urnaus=Sun around the time I met Gordon (my last relationship) and the Sun rules the 11th house in my chart so acording to Tyl, this would mean an excitation of ego, my SOCIAL life in particular. So with MC=Venus there's a midheavenization of my self (hmmm) and in my deeply transformational processes and crises, in how I use my power, especially as it pertains to my relationships, right? Essentially.

My natal Venus is at 18 Aquarius conjunct the NN (21 Aqua) in the 5th house square Saturn at 18 Taurus in the 8th. I easily set myself up for huge disapppointments in relationships - my standards are too high for mortals of this Earth, and this compromises my own self-worth. I know I have a huge problem with this. This is why I think Neptune on my Venus must have a purpose, and it is to start letting go and truly open up to people, because I want love but I push people away at the same time typically. I believe these transits are not about senseless torture even though it feels that way what with what happened with Gordon (why have something so beautiful only to have it snatched away by circumstances beyond my/his control?); they require a shift in my approach I think. I've been cornered, and there's no option but to try. Neptune on Venus can be a release in that sense and free me. I hope.

Venus is in the Gemini decan and Virgo dwad, how interesting, considering G's Virgo Sun and Gemini Moon. I think his Venus was in the Pisces decan & dwad, interesting because I'm a Pisces Sun.

Do you know of any good books on decans & dwads of specific planets?


Thanks again, and I'm SO sorry this post was so long, I meant to keep it short!



Sincerely,
Chrissy

[gemstar]

Hey Chrissy-Thanks for starting this solar arc thread!

It is because of your interest in solar arcs over the past many months that I recently began to explore this area of astrology. While I am looking for themes between the natal and transiting chart, the progressed chart and now the solar arc chart-should I be finding mostly the same themes in all three charts?

I look at each chart and delineate what influences are affecting issues....yet begin to get confused as to which chart has the highest efficacy for prediction...Kim-how do you work with all three charts? Do you place them in order of sorts??

Ex. Someone has their tr Uranus conjuncting ASC in the natal chart...and soon conjunct their 1st h Moon......in the Pr chart...Pr Moon-10th h just opposed Pr Uranus in 4th....and in the solar arc chart, SA Uranus is in the 7th house with SA Jupiter several degrees ahead.....would I then use solar arc Uranus opposed natal Moon in 1st as a reading? Or should I be using the SA Moon in there as well??
This would be an example of a theme I was thinking would make sense. Am I on the correct track??

Thanks again-this will be a huge help!

Hugs-
GemStar

[chrissymgreen]

Dear Gemstar, you're so welcome, I've been meaning to start this thread sooner!

Anyways, I am not an expert, but I would say that yes, you would want to look for similarities between all 3 major areas of predictive astrology -- transits, secondary progressions, and solar arcs. The thing is, it's a tad more complicated than it sounds, each area is not exactly separate. For instance, say we check out our current solar arc charts. Then after we do so, we'd definitely want to check *transits* that might be activating the arc. Transits like a long term coupled a trigger, you'd then have a time frame when that arc might come alive. With progressions, it's always good to hone in on (from what I have read, anyway), all of the progressed to progressed HARD aspects within 1°. From what I understand, prog to prog hard aspects (esp between an inner & an outer) often physically manifest in the life, while prog to natals usually result in some kind of inner awareness. Then once you make a note of what's going on there, in the SP chart, you'd want to note transits to the progressed aspects. Making any sense at all?

The SP Moon is all important, that you would want to check regularly, especially after noting any major arcs or other progressed to progressed aspects, and transits hitting those arcs or progressions. When the SP Moon crosses an angle, it is v. important. Or when it makes an exact hard aspect to another progressed planet. Check declinations too; I noticed when I experienced that awful break-up last year prog Moon was exactly contra-parallel prog Uranus!

With the SA chart, it's supposed to work much simpler, in a dynamic way. You don't really look at the SA chart as a separate entity. The theory is, when a planet or point arcs into hard contact with a natal planet or point, events in keeping with the theme of the arc will/could occur. I must say, after checking all of my direct arcs since 1999 there have not any that don't fit in with what was going on in my life. Save for this MC=Venus one that I am experiencing now. That's the one that stumps me.

You said:

Ex. Someone has their tr Uranus conjuncting ASC in the natal chart...and soon conjunct their 1st h Moon......in the Pr chart...Pr Moon-10th h just opposed Pr Uranus in 4th....and in the solar arc chart, SA Uranus is in the 7th house with SA Jupiter several degrees ahead.....would I then use solar arc Uranus opposed natal Moon in 1st as a reading? Or should I be using the SA Moon in there as well??
This would be an example of a theme I was thinking would make sense. Am I on the correct track??

Um, this sounds about right. With tr Uranus on an angle and pr Moon opposing pr Uranus (in angular houses!), that's a major theme that is repeated. MAJOR, it sounds. The orb should be 1° applying or separating, that's when it'll be active. As for the SAs, check to see if Uranus if arcing into hard contact with any planet or point, that will expound on the current life theme. Remember if it's a degree away, perfection is about a year away. I hope this helps, I'm not great at this yet.


Dear Primamateria,

You said your natal Mercury is opposing SA Moon and natal Mars opposing SA Sun, right?

So the equations would look as follows:

Moon=Mercury

Sun=Mars

(You put the SA planet or point 1st, then an equals sign which translates to "in hard aspect to", and then the natal planet or point.)

So remember how I said when I experienced Uranus=Sun there was an excitation of my ego? So with your Moon=Mercury, there's an emotionalization of your thinking mind. And with Sun=Mars, there's an illumination of your active drive to get things done, et cetera. From Tyl's book:

Moon=Mercury means "Thinking with the feelings, emotional perception".

Sun=Mars means "Energy applied directly, naturally, vigorously". You have to let me know how this feels for you! I will be experiencing this one next year, I think.


Hope this helps all!


Chrissy

[gemstar]

Thanks for your ideas Chrissy!

Question-when you stated to look at (my example) SA Uranus arcing in hard aspect to a planet or angle (And yes, 1 degree or less app/sep), does that mean in respect to the SA chart or the natal chart?? Or both? Thanks!

Hugs-

GemStar

[chrissymgreen]

You would be looking fors a hard aspect between SA Uranus and natal something or another...though one thing to remember, same planet arcs do not count. In other words, SA Uranus to natal Uranus doesn't work. You'd check for...I don't know, let's say SA Uranus to natal Venus. Then look at what natal house or houses Venus rules. That might give some more background of what's going on with that prog Moon to Prog Uranus opp, and how that tr Uranus aspecting a natal angle is manifesting. Hope this makes sense.


C

[primamateria]

thanks so much Chrissy, this is really interesting..

I've just emailed you the solar arc pdf file..

as to moon = mercury and sun=mars, it made sense when I first saw them!

I guess I have become less analytical and more interested in feeling values and intuition - I read this great book called 'blink' which is about 'thin-slicing' which is when you take that first subliminal moment/idea/impression and make decisions based on your feelings about it.

sun=mars though, not sure. will have to think about that one.

back later - must get the children organised for school (see how addictive this is - straight out of bed and to the computer!)

joy! pm

[Kim Falconer]

Wow, this is an important thread!

I've got to get to Uni now and can't respond as much as I'd like but Chrissy, you said On March 25, 2006, transiting Venus will join tr Neptune and thus both Venus & Neptune will be on my natal Venus. This is a good example of a trigger, no? (

YES!

Thanks for a great example.

Also, watch how the upcoming eclipse might act as a trigger for those with transits from Saturn (the eclipse trines it)...Example: I have Saturn at 4 Scorpio so am getting the square as we speak. It's been within orb for 8 months, but this eclipse might TRIGGER it into action.

Oh and yes, my Me is 18 Gem in 10, semisextile Uranus in 11...Thanks for the boost, PM but I promise you I'm not a genius! Just been studying this for ...oh my...35 years!

Kim

[chrissymgreen]

Hey, thanks Kim! Great stuff here.

Primamateria, I noticed my Sun is almost exactly conjunct your NN!

Anyway, I noticed you have some other arcs going on right now that I will discuss tomorrow:

Chiron=Sun, I have that one right now too! Just perfected for you around 2 weeks ago it looks, so you have another 6 mos. of activity on that one.

AC=Mercury, perfects in like 8 months from now approx.

Oooh, Venus=Uranus, that perfected approx 7 mos ago, did you have a hot love interest around then? This means "grace brought to individuality, being appreciated and desired" according to Tyl. Uranus rules your 9th house, does this fit at all? Was there some action maybe while you were abroad, at school, something of that nature? Remember, this would basically mean that there's a venusification of your desire to be different, set yourself apart from the crowd, and so on. Does this make any sense?


More tomorrow,
Chrissy

[primamateria]

cor, this is spooky!

first Kim - you must have been in utero studying astrology because you don't look old enough!

A couple of books I've looked at have said that mercury-uranus is super-geniousness... have to agree seeing as I have this natally lol. No really - I think its the intuition factor that makes the difference - lots of individuals have quick minds but aren't 'brilliant' because they don't make the connections, the 'other' connections. Does that make sense? My father is a so-called 'genious' because of his very high IQ, but I sometimes wonder if he's actually not very 'with it' as a human being! Perhaps it is that human-soul factor, and the individual's ability to access it, that makes the difference... anyway, we all have our innate gifts. One of the pitfalls of a super-fast mind is that boredom sets in quickly, and the capacity to finish things is diminished. The bane of my existence! The moon on Spica - Kim!! - is said to give the blessing of brilliance too... twice blessed then. ;D

Now I've come full circle back to the solar arc direction and moon=mercury....

well Chrissy, I am certainly astounded. Yes, there has been a bit of a Chironic theme in my life just recently... and walked in the door to read your message having come from a career counselling session in which I have decided to pursue both counselling qualifications and training qualifications - to become a 'life coach-counsellor' and to teach/run workshops on a number of creative/inspirational themes. Which ties in the Venus=Uranus...yes about 7/8 months ago I stepped up to an easel and picked up a stub of charcoal for the first time in my life and learned how to draw - a huge risk at university level - finished the semester with a Distinction grade! I also felt that it was time to 'be who I am' and explore and push the boundaries my own creativity and started to recognise my ability to inspire the same in others. (I hope this doesn't sound like bragging - after years of feeling bad about myself I am still at times very proud of how I have grown and recovered my confidence)

hmm. yes I did have a 'hot love interest' last year, a bit tragic really - and very Venus-Uranus as he kept appearing and disappearing in and out of my life - drove me to distraction. I've put that one down to Pluto sq Pluto, and some Karmic, eclipse cycle stuff, though, as he was someone from deep past - my 'scorpio childhood sweetheart' otherwise referred to as My Thing. I think he found me too strange and 'interesting' and more than just a bit scary to take seriously even though he gave me every impression that he desired me. Desire does not a relationship make, hmm? I don't enjoy feeling like an alien, even a beautiful one! Since then NO ONE has been interested in me at all!!! Still, this venus=uranus thing puts things into perspective a bit... aany guy that comes into my orbit has got to appreciate my 'difference' and 'intensity' and I realise that in the past I have modified myself to fit with what the guy wanted.... not prepared to do that any more.

I also joined this forum around that time!

I look forward to more on how to interpret all this... AC= mercury??!!! actually I think I may pop out now and buy that book!

joy, pm

[chrissymgreen]

Dear Primamateria,

I've read that too about Me-Ur aspects! Since I have such a tight angular aspect between the 2 (Ur on the AC opposing Me on the DC) I've done some digging about that one because I know it's a big one for me. After doing some reading and thinking it over, I've come to the conclusion that this type of aspect confers mental sharpness, in a nutshell. It's not always what would be considered genius necessarily...there are so many different kinds of genius, don't you think? Your Dad would be a good example. My father's like that, too...he's sharp as a tack, but sometimes I think he misses the point entirely. Once, we were shopping and the sales lady handed him the incorrect change and then when he called it to her attention, she couldn't get it right right away because her register was down and apparently she can't do math in her head. My father turned to me and said, "See, Chris, THIS is why MATH is IMPORTANT!" I felt so bad, because the sales lady started crying. My father may be brilliant but he can be really obnoxious, too. He's not smart about people.

But anyway! I CAN'T believe the arcs were so right on for you! I mean, I can, but since I'm still new to studying them I'm continually amazed at their power still.

About what happened with Your Thing, I can relate, certainly. The lack of interest especially.

So, let's see, Tyl doesn't include any interps in his books for Chiron arcs, but I do have this link:

www.lifepathastrology.com/articles/WhereTheCentaurWalks.htm

And since I have a t-square with the Moon, Sun, and Pluto (incidentally, right now I am experiencing the Pl square n. Pl you mentioned, Pl conjunct n. Moon, and Pl square n. Sun due to this configuration in my chart), when Chiron arced into hard aspect with my natal Moon last year, a Pluto arc soon followed and now finally Chiron will arc to my Sun over the summer. Tyl mentions this kind of thing in his book, once you get the arcs down you can see certain developmental processes when a planet hits a configuration like this in order, BAM, BAM, BAM. In fact, when I experienced my awful break-up last year, I should start calling it The Situation, haha, anyway it was at that time I had Chiron=Moon, exact on the day of the break-up! Then in January I had Chiron=Pluto, and now over the summer I have Chiron=Sun.

Blain Bovee, one of Noel Tyl's graduate students, has some beautiful, very enlightening stuff to say about Chiron: "While it is true that one can be wounded, sometimes permanantly handicapped by events triggered by Chiron, it is far more true that Chiron is about the emotional trauma that the event triggers. Clearly when a traumatic event occurs, a death or serious accident, the event itself is a central focus. But the Chiron dimension of all that is the emotional perception, the felt-response, the personal experience. I like the word 'humanizing' in the sense of a potential openning of a raw and tender heart. Chiron manifestations can definitely take our own god-like self-perceptions down a notch, but that also opens the possibility of being genuinely human...the Chironic gift."

This really fits in with what is going on for me, I think these Chiron arcs are one way my chart echos my experience with The Situation. Another thing are the major, heavy hitting transits going on for me now, with Pl on my t-square and Neptune on my natal Venus (just passed it for the 1st of 3 passes).

Anyway, about your arc, AC=Mercury, this one is important as the arcs involving angles are of special note, according to Tyl. Here is Tyl's blurb on it: "What one thinks is 'on the line', open to evaluation". There is an ascendantalization (a projection of self, self-awareness) of your mind, your mental processes. And get this, I would say that it's like you've got a super high beam light on your very self (since mercury rules your 1st) and also, I think you're re-thinking a lot of things about your home or domestic life (since Me also rules your 4th). Could be your inner thoughts and emotions, too, you are extra aware of those these days.

Though, I almost forgot, this arc perfects in about 8 months, so even though it is active now, it will be more active closer to date of perfection.

Anyway, gotta jet now, but hope this helps!


C

[primamateria]

;D Hi Chrissy,

thanks for taking so much time on this for me! I went to buy the book but it was way out of my price range... will have to wait for that one - wah!

Yeah I agree about the different 'types' of intelligence... there are certainly those, as another example, with razor sharp minds that use their smarts to hurt others, even without really thinking or meaning to, like the example of your father and the store assistant. For sure I have the ability to really bring someone to their knees with my words, which are really a function of 'pattern recognition' and an innate ability to pick up on people's fears and insecurities... Not that I've really ever used it... I have decided to use my power for good and not evil...tee hee...
Although I must confess that lately my thingy-head ex (THEX) has been on the recieving end of some very pointed text messages.
Oh, funnily enough, for all that I can be persuasive in my arguments, I am a really terrible liar! Mercury opposite Neptune is said to make one susceptible to deception, but I have that Pluto/Jupiter/Uranus processing point to thank for my great bull*&^% detector.... except for my tendency in the past to decieve myself with fantasies... ow.

And since I have a t-square with the Moon, Sun, and Pluto (incidentally, right now I am experiencing the Pl square n. Pl you mentioned, Pl conjunct n. Moon, and Pl square n. Sun due to this configuration in my chart), when Chiron arced into hard aspect with my natal Moon last year, a Pluto arc soon followed and now finally Chiron will arc to my Sun over the summer. Tyl mentions this kind of thing in his book, once you get the arcs down you can see certain developmental processes when a planet hits a configuration like this in order, BAM, BAM, BAM. In fact, when I experienced my awful break-up last year, I should start calling it The Situation, haha, anyway it was at that time I had Chiron=Moon, exact on the day of the break-up! Then in January I had Chiron=Pluto, and now over the summer I have Chiron=Sun.

Blain Bovee, one of Noel Tyl's graduate students, has some beautiful, very enlightening stuff to say about Chiron: "While it is true that one can be wounded, sometimes permanantly handicapped by events triggered by Chiron, it is far more true that Chiron is about the emotional trauma that the event triggers. Clearly when a traumatic event occurs, a death or serious accident, the event itself is a central focus. But the Chiron dimension of all that is the emotional perception, the felt-response, the personal experience. I like the word 'humanizing' in the sense of a potential openning of a raw and tender heart. Chiron manifestations can definitely take our own god-like self-perceptions down a notch, but that also opens the possibility of being genuinely human...the Chironic gift."

This really fits in with what is going on for me, I think these Chiron arcs are one way my chart echos my experience with The Situation. Another thing are the major, heavy hitting transits going on for me now, with Pl on my t-square and Neptune on my natal Venus (just passed it for the 1st of 3 passes).

Is your natal on here somewhere? (Kim should we have a section where we can all post our natals for ref??)

Is your Natal Chiron at 4 or 5 degrees Aries?? If so you've also had Chiron sq Chiron?? And the NN is transiting your Chiron now?

At any rate by what you've described thats a heck of a lot of Pluto and Chiron! I've been talking my younger sister through some similar transits (she is also a Pisces sun and has a lot of Moon-Pluto and Chirons stuff happening right now)... I think its helping me with my own Chiron stuff! But to tell you the truth I feel as though I am finally healing rather than being inflicted with fresh wounds.

I read a lot of Archetypal and Alchemical Psychology books... James Hillman in particular. I'll try to find the passage I'm thinking of and post it later. The gist of it is that the wound is the point at which the Divine gets in, it is the wound that makes us healed, and the wound that makes us the Healer. He talks a lot about the wounded healer archetype, but mostly in the guise of Asklepios (which in mythology is often interchangeable with Chiron as a mentor/healer etc)

So when I say I'm not feeling any fresh wounds its because nothing 'new' has really gone that deep - but ooooh some of the things (like My Thing) have really re-opened the old ones.

What happened in The Situation? What were the triggers? Can you see where the 'wound' has opened up a space in you for the Divine?

I want to understand this solar arc method better...are there any online resources that set out the method?

How does the sign or any aspect come into the equasion when it comes to the sa direction? Eg that Chiron=Sun so is the Chironic energy resonating with 10 Taurus-ness? or is it that my TAurus sun gets a dose of my Aries Chiron?

Am I just confusing things?

joy! pm