12th House North Node?

[blueorchids]

Friends,

Does anyone here have experience with a 12th House North Node Composite???

D. and I have ours in the 12th house but it is virtually unaspected but for a tight SEMI-SQUARE to Neptune. It seems a strange placement and I am still attempting to wrap my head around the significance. 12th House seems so higher calling and consciousness but Virgo is so getting the details right...

I'm pulling up the chart for visual purposes....

[Kim Falconer]

BlueOrchids,

I've been so flooded with work I hardly have time to engage with the forum--the next few weeks don't look like they will offer much reprieve.

But I couldn't resist putting some info up here--because the 12th-6th house axis is so often misunderstood...or just not understood at all!

If I had to form one sentence around this placement, it would be "This relationship has the potential to work with those less fortunate, bringing practical solutions to the needs of the collective."

Here are some excerpts from Astrology & Aptitude. Perhaps you can find articles or insights to add?

Warmly,
Kim

The twelfth house traditionally represents our dark and secret
hiding places. It is a locale where boundaries blur and forms melt
and merge and transfigure. Things are not always what they seem in
the twelfth. They are at times confused and painful, yet they also
can lead to initiation and understanding.

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On a mundane level, this house rules the unconscious mind, the
collective unconscious, hospitals and institutions (where people
are treated collectively) and charity, given or received. Traditionally,
it is said that planets here must serve or suffer.21 It is a certainty
that with any planets in the twelfth house, the native needs to
spend some time alone in a sanctuary of his or her making.
The twelfth house also represents a melting down of ego boundaries,
a merging with the divine, a loss of specific and personal
identity. Not everyone is going to enjoy this experience. Consider
the placement of the Sun in Aries in the twelfth in contrast to the
Moon in Pisces in the twelfth. Which one is going to feel more at
home?

Everything that operates in this house is under the surface, behind
the scenes. It represents things that are below our conscious
awareness, yet important in terms of how they direct our choices,
goals and desires. (Planets here can significantly influence the
character of the native’s career, mission or profession.) When planets
falling in the twelfth house ask, Where am I?, the answer is, I am
in my mystique.

North Node in Virgo, South Node in Pisces: With the North
Node here, it is time to develop discernment by looking at the finer
details of life. Things must be taken down to their component parts,
examined, compared and contrasted. Ritual order and service
brings growth by making decisions based on conscious understanding.

With the South Node in Pisces, the past may have been a bit of a
mixed swirl of feelings and impressions. The tendency could be to
retreat into a feeling of chaos through any and all forms of escapism.
It is like a disappearing act. The pull of the North Node encourages
the individual to come back to the mundane world through
conscious activities, work and service.

North Node in the Twelfth House, South Node in the Sixth
House: The North Node in the twelfth house suggests the need to
melt down boundaries and discover the connective nature of all life
through empathy, compassion and service. The South Node in the
sixth house could have been critical and overly pragmatic in the
past. Now the native can best develop himself or herself through
opening up to something greater than what is found in the mundane.

[blueorchids]

Thanks kindly Kim that is very helpful. I always have a problem moving from the meaning for the individual versus the composite/relationship. But this resonates well regardless, particularly as he and I spend much of our nonprofessional time talking about the importance of being compassionate towards those who are ill and locked in the medical system. It is something that I comfortably know we can uphold together. It would also resonate in any written work we might undertake. Of course we have the same natal NN/SN but mine is Virgo NN 9th/3rd and his is reverse Virgo 3rd/9th. Neither of us have natal 12th house planet/major asteroids placements and I have no feel for that though with my Scorpio ruling 11/12 with Neptune in 11 I do sense the deep need for sanctuary.

Thanks again. I have been culling for info on 12th house composite but generally have found little and am pleased to see something not screechingly judgmental and negative.

[chrissymgreen]

dear blue,

i don't personally have experience (that i know of) with a 12th composite NN, but i am a part of a relationship where there is a tight jupiter/pluto conjunction in the composite 12th. so i do feel somewhat familiar with this type of energy..

with composites people tend to say that they should read as if they were natal charts, but i dont think this is helpful because it is not a natal chart. it's a map of midpoints and should be treated as such. it is the combined energy of the 2 charts, and it is at the core very conceptual.

so to me composite 12th is a place where a couple should "let go and let god", basically. if there are planets or points there they become a part of this process.

howard sasportas has a great book on the houses called "the twelve houses" i believe and i do recommend it...he says that the 12th represents the urge for dissolution -- the yearning to return to the undifferentiated waters of the womb, the original state of unity. he says human beings are faced with a fundamental dilemma, with 2 contrasting pulls (pisces -- two fish swimming in opposite directions). each person wants to lose a sense of isolation and transcend his or her individual separateness and yet each person is terrified of disintegration and dreads the loss of the separate self.

gosh, i could go on and on here because every word he says is like...well, he's just a great writer and i truly do recommend you read it. to see the houses the way he does is just...well, he's just good at getting the reader to see the houses as a process, and that's the basis for some real understanding.

based on what sasportas says, i see the composite 12th as a very scary place for a couple, but where if you let go many rewards could be reaped. it's a place where it is hard to find your identity, so there's some real fear there, but the higher call of neptune (assoc. with the 12th) is to trust, and to have faith.


i hope this helps in some way.

[blueorchids]

Thanks Chrissy. I think the letting go and having faith seems particularly telling given the semi-sq to Neptune. I think it is also interesting that neither of us has planets in h12 or any in h12 for the composite.... With "let go and let god" driving our North Node I continue to see this whole thing as beyond the beyond.....

[samina]

*Very* interesting info -- thanks for sharing, Kim.

I did some review of my composites and I can't find anything of note with a 12th house NN, but a favorite old boyfriend and I had composite Sun, Merc, and Venus in the 12th. We shared a very strong experience of intense spirituality together, and were unbelievably connected psychically. Numerous times one of us would pick up the phone and other would already be there, without the phone having rung... that type of thing.

samina

[Kim Falconer]

Samina,

Yes, this is also my experience (personally and with clients) of the 12th house composite sun.

It seems the 'purpose' of the relationship is to do something 'greater than...' do something for those less fortunate or those who need service or healing…and the gift is the psychic connection.

If these relationships, however, choose to live a more' traditional life' with the mundane goals that are perhaps quite authentic for other couples, things tend to unravel.

With the 12th house, like Isabel Hickey always said, it's 'serve or suffer'! (And here suffer can mean passion or ‘go through’!!!)

Warmly,
Kim