Synastry and House Cusps

[aquariusrising2]

Hi Kim and All!

I miss being active in the forum! I've just been so darn busy. Anyhow, I wonder if anyone can help me out with this question. Is there any significance in Sysnastry charts to person A's planet(s) falling on a house cusp of person B. If so, what is the significance?

Thanks for any answers!

A.R.

[Kim Falconer]

As we know (from my constant repetition) People are like permanent transits, so a stellium of their natal planets falling on a house cusp is going feel much like a stellium of transit to that house cups WHENEVER THEY ARE AROUND you.

Let's get specific. What planets to what cups?

It's great to have you back!

Kim

[aquariusrising2]

It is good to be back. Actually, the question was more hypothetical. I understand the impact of planets to planets, angles or points. I don't understand how house cusps affect us in synastry. Lets take the closest example I can find. Person A's Jupiter in Sag. on Person B's 3rd house cusp in Cap. How would that be assimilated by both parties.

Thanks for any comments

A.R.

[svenskasfinx]

Hej AquariousRising!

I guess I can answer partially: The planet Activates the energies of the house in question- wether it be by transit or by synastry or even by progression and or relocation.

So if you can think about the house meaning; for example recall my work with the 11th house? Well lets think about what the active energy of the Sun in that area would do: The Sun is because of it's nature is like a "spot light" in the area in question.. so for example, if we have someone's Sun in your first house and his in the 11th house what does that seem to say about synastry between the two of you?

Sun in someone's first house can make people aware of you from the first moment you meet, even if you don't meet in person. Its a "spot light" on the personality and body, and it seems to an intense awareness.. some people's presences can make themselves "felt" by this: this can translate into the feeling of self confidence and provoking that in both parties, or it could be an overly egotistical "me first" kind of thing..

In any event, synastry involving the Sun in the first house with someone can make both people very aware.. they both can develop and even push one another into the "spot light"..

With the 11th house, this is an activation and a highlight with "groups of people" and friendships..
Both persons will be ACTIVATED and it will be with the Sun energy.. to be friends or work together for a common humanitarian goal, possibly with groups of people.

Other planets do other things; For example Mars in someone's in someone's first house synastry "heats things up" and depending upon the sign, can make things move faster.. possibly making one person see the other person as "pushy" or "extreamly motivating" or even "physically agressive".. it could also activate sexual urges in the body of both parties.. which could be "repulsive" or "attractive" depending upon the person and the placement of other planets.

On the other hand, what about Mars in the 11th house as an example? Does it heat up the friendship? Does it make for a power struggle within groups the two people encounter?

For me I have to question Personally Mars in the 12th house in the synastry because so many people I encounter have this one with me.... in fact my husband and two very good friends.. being that houses relate to each other, and the 12th and 6th are paired up because they often share some commonality, I add my son has his Mars in my 6th house, and his Sun in my 11th.. I have my Sun (and Mars) in HIS 11th too.

But the 12th house Mars in synastry seems ironic, it activates and yet contains, or holds back these Mars "urges" what ever they may be, and we know by most examples that Mars likes to show its energies in a direct way. Modified by house and planet in synastry, if these things are not expressed in one way, they show up in a less creative, and possibly more challanging way...

What about when someone's Venus is in the 10th house, at the top of someone's chart? It makes you aware of their more Venus sides, and if both charts have Venus in the 10th house, it seems to be a very mutual admiration of one another's "Venus sides"...
(Venus is such a catch-all for so much creative energy, it takes too long to go on about it..wether it be by romance, beauty, love, or creative and or artistic or even matterial expression)

I believe that maybe a mutual 10th house Venus in synastry depending upon how its activated in one another's charts is an indicator of an almost "worshiping" of those qualities in one another.. Venus shining down from above, and the other looking up at it, and smiling in approval or frowning in disapproval.... it depends naturally upon the Natal charts of both people though..

Those times that Venus is transiting through the 10th house makes people aware of or subseptible to the Venus energies in their own lives and how it seems to be there from above..in my own case when Venus is transiting my 10th, I seem to want people to take notice of me, musically or artisticly, and have actually won art competitions and played out with my band very successful shows when that transit was taking place.

I hope this is helps; I hope it makes for some food for thought!

Take care,

svenskasfinx

[darrah19]

I'm full of questions today.

so, say, someone's sun is conjunct my 7th house cusp, how would that affect us?

a) will I be affected more, or him?
b) will I see "him" as a quintessential 'partner', or will HE see me as that?

am I missing anything?

this house cusp and 'affect' thing still confuses me a bit.

[aquariusrising2]

Thanks for your input Sven:

Yes, it is food for thought and certainly helps me to look at how such contacts are felt and sustained. Do you find that, in synastry, if a planet actually falls on a house cusp there is any difference in the way the energies are felt versus falling into the house? Intuitively, it seem the cusp would be an amplified energy. The door to the next enviroment? Any thoughts?

Dar,

I wish I could answer your question! I really don't know if a cusp has a mutual activation, like, say, an angle. If I had to guess, I would say not. Still, I wonder if a planet/angle/asteriod on a house cusp would empahsize or magnify the how the connection is felt?

Interesting stuff!

A.R.

[LeYeL]

I read long ago in a book.. which I can't recall that the degrees shared in synastry are more powerful.. ie cusps of houses to planets or points. But that always raises the issue of which house system one uses at the same time.

I would say that the Sabian symbols would be one way to approach this and a real indepth pondering of exactly what the house meaning and sign of that house means to you within your own chart.

I know the more I learn, it seems the less I know, since a chart appears to be neverending in the information it continues to show.

I just finished an interesting book called Sexuality in the Horoscope. If one wanted to order this the handiest way, is to tell a book store the ISBN# 1-56718-865-6, since this is the way they code books published. This is one of a series which authors tackle the particular subject from their perspective with case histories and different charts.

In one chapter by Jayj Jacobs called Integrating the Sexual Profile for Wholeness, I found something that jumped out at me that I have been thinking about for a couple days..

I will try and quote as short as possible starting with a similar theme that Kim expresses.

"The three components of any Essential Triad (sign, planet, house) are linked together such that the level of expression of any one of them affects the level of expression of the others. If the energy, the attitude, or activity ( the planet, sign or house) is enhanced, the other two will be enhanced naturally and spontaneously. There are three facets, but only one principle. Imagine lifting a triangle off a table by one of its points or sides. Whichever focal point you elevate, the other two rise with it. There are three sides, but only one triangle.

This is the principle of transference. It is actually an extension of the concept of rulership. Energy and expression flow not only from a ruling Planet to its Sign and into the House it is on, they travel simultaneously and concurrently across the Sign, Plant and House in an Astrological Triad. * Now for the big thing that jumped out at me *

A complete horoscope also has three sides or dimensions: the Natural Chart, the Natal Chart and the Solar Chart. The expression of a Triad--- elevated or not---- is transfered among, across and between these wheels.

He then goes on to explain these particular Charts.. Natural as 0 degrees Aires as the basic chart of human nature... Natal Chart or Ascendant as a Framework of Reality. More a view of yourself that you present to the world as you enter into life.

The Solar Chart is 30 degrees of each sign and each cusp has the sun's degree and minute which is used as the 1st house cusp. The Sun, as indicator of the core sense of Self, the true essential identity, the basic inherent character, and the point of view on life, will also generate a congruent set of attitudes and orientations to the houses.

Using the solar Chart (or Wheel) along with and equal to the Natal (and the Natural) allows us to see another vector of tranference: as the house that hosts Cancer in one wheel is enhanced, the house in the other wheel that has a Cancer cusp will be enhanced simultaneously. So, too, will both houses that hold the Moon. Thus, one elevation produces up to four other improvements. Each of these will generate feedback to the initiating house, and to the other houses as well. A complete horoscope being a synergistic system, rather than a mere collection of components, it can't be any other way. There are three wheels, but only one horoscope. A complete and whole chart is necessary to reflect, understand, or counsel the whole person."

Quote off LOL.
Ok so here is what the above rammed home to me in a big way.. I am both bummed at my low level of understanding and truly fascinated with astrology at the same time. The more I try and figure out OTHERS.. the more I am thrown back on peeling back more layers of myself. Unless I know myself.. how can I possibly know another? Of course the above quotation will not stop me from trying to learn all I can about synastry, which I think is what drew me to astrology so deeply in the first place. But I am more and more pushed to try and open my brain and take in that nothing in a chart is separate.. I need to stretch my weary brain and try and see more than just one part, aspect.. planet in house and the same in synastry. This to me is extremely daunting, but I plan on changing my focus and using the above 3 chart method and trying to meld all parts to a whole as my starting point from now on. Goddess help me to get to the point of progressions .. returns.. let alone synastry and composites charts...etc etc.. if my brain hasn't imploded by then!

I know that this might not *seem* on topic to you all but in my brain it is. I hope you can understand my post in relation to the topic as started by A.R.

[aquariusrising2]

LeYel,

That was a fascinating bit of information. I am aware of the Natal Chart and the Natural or Draconic Chart. I am not familiar with the Solar Chart. Can you elaborate on how I may pull this one up?

Thanks for the input!!

A.R.

[Kim Falconer]

Wow, this thread is really fascinating. You are all making points that are insightful and valid.

AR- just to answer the question on Solar Charts, as LeYel said, you put the sun on the ascendant and all cusps follow suit in 30 degree increments. So we might put the sun at 26 Gemini 52' on the Ascendant and then plot the cusps as 2nd house 26 Cancer 52', 3rd house 26 Leo 52 et. the tropical natal positions of the planets then are placed into the wheel appropriately.

I use these charts when there is no birth time or for very particular readings related to "solar purpose".

As far as synastry houses go, the shouse system debate rears up if we are going to say that planets on cusps are more significant than planets simple in the houses. Which cusps?

I think for general practice, reading the synastry planets in the other person's houses is quite informative, and I am sure going to notice those planets more that hit up cusps (angles included). Still, the house interpretations stand, be the planet on the cusp or not.

Getting to understand these contacts means you need a solid understanding of the houses and the planets involved. Back to the "people are like permanent transits" drill, what do you imagine it feels like to have Jupiter crossing your third house cusp? What kinds of things might become more highlighted in your life? How will you respond to them?

Same with the Sun through the 7th. Dar, what do you feel like during the 30 days each year that the sun transits your 7th? What warms up, rising like bread? What can't be ignored? What captures your enthusiasm?

Now, think about a person that brings this out in you? Will you respond to them differently than someone with Saturn or Pluto in your seventh?

Your response to their energy is going to bring something out in them too, simply because you are responding!

Can you start to see how this works? People as permanent transits, yes, but also as receptors or your responses!

Kim

[aquariusrising2]

Thanks so much Kim,

Now I will, of course, start working with solar charts too to gain more insight on the solar purpose.

Also, thanks for the insight on the "cusps" it makes sense to read them as you would read the house.

I appreciate your answers!

A.R.

[svenskasfinx]

Aquariusrising said:

."Thanks for your input Sven:

Yes, it is food for thought and certainly helps me to look at how such contacts are felt and sustained. Do you find that, in synastry, if a planet actually falls on a house cusp there is any difference in the way the energies are felt versus falling into the house? Intuitively, it seem the cusp would be an amplified energy. The door to the next enviroment? Any thoughts?..."

I guess I am in agreement with the majority when a planet makes contact with an angle, and how it reads as a more intense contact, but remember aspects to other angles as well, by square or trine ect.. Not only that, but aspects of the planets falling into someone else's house synastry with the planets which are there, and even the ruler of that house.

I think one of the major interesting themes I have found in a chart comparison with me and another person has been the conjunction of my 8th house ruler falling in someone else's 8th house (the contact is with a few planets including his 1st and 10th house ruler) (in MY 11th house). I have yet to really understand the meanings with that.. but it's probably obsessively fascinating (that old 8th house word guide) the topic of converstation is usually something maybe secretive, and or "mystical" and yet, it feels so friendly... they are conversations I can not have many people.. ( my ruling planet sextile his ruling planet in the Mine in the 9th conjunct His MC;

I do feel though the contacts My chart has to his are rather "one sided" if the focus is on the "Major Points" but with asteroids, it becomes less lopsided.. other wise it would be my Uranus (anyone my age will have this with him) conjunct his ASC. in his first house from my 4th. My Mercury conjunct his MC in his 9th house, from my 12th...first house ruler..and his SN conjunct my ASC and his NN to my DC from the (my first and 7th houses respectfully).

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Dar: speaking of 7th house synastry contacts, ideal partner, business partner, couple, or eniemy or nemisis.. all these things enbody the idea of the 7th house not just marrage partner... although if the contacts are more "romantic" then I can see it relating to a perfect partner....or mutually satisfying partnership. I just don't want to aliminate all the "challanging" from the "easy"

LeYeL- we are all learning, and I find your williness to help and understand so wonderful! I've loved astrology almost my entire life (at 6 years old asking other kids what their star sign was or when their birthdays were.. )
Do not feel discouraged becasue you are learning and you share and give much to the forum!

Thanks everyone else!

This is an interesting topic to me too!

svenskasfinx