name asteroids conjunct Juno in synastry

[wetlioness]

hello, Kim, everyone...

i'd like to first thank you again for the previous insight you gave me regarding this relationship that is extremely important to me when i asked about Lilith/Chiron contacts...it did help me tremendously

after reading a lot of things on here, i can't remember where it was that i read about a person's name asteroid contacting a spouse's Juno in a synastry chart (a few searches brought up nothing)

would you please take a look at this and tell me what your impressions are? the man's chart is surrounding mine (almost like sp.oo.ning *sigh*....hehe) ....his name is Javier, but the closest asteroid i could find was "Javid"....my name is Maryann, and the closest one i could find was "Maryanning".....and lo and behold, each of our name asteroids conjunct each other's Juno and falls in each other's 7th houses!! ....also, his "Maryanning" is very close to my Moon and Rising (how would that feel to him, or would it be me who would be feeling something, only?) it also Opposes my Mercury and Squares my Neptune, which sounds difficult to me...

does this mean he's going to be my second husband?? i'm in the process of getting out of my current marriage, (the desire is mutual and we're both in counselling to help smooth the transition), and i've always heard that the 9th house points to your second spouse....in my case, i have Neptune and Mars in Scorpio there, and well, Javier's Rising sign is Pisces (Neptune), and his Sun is in the 8th (Scorpio), plus his Mars falls in my 5th house, and my Mars falls in his 8th house....(as you said, Kim, "sizzling attraction") ....also, he has Venus on his DC, and my Venus is right there, and i have Jupiter on my DC, and his is in his 1st house....all these things seem to point to something, but i'm not sure if it's already played its course or is it going to be long-term...so far, all the info i've read, plus the info i've gotten from those women seem conflicted... (so here i am, asking for more opinions! *LOL*)

my issue with him has been "romantic love vs lust"....he's told me "i love you", but insisted it was a "deep friendship" love, not a romantic love, even though his words and actions have directly contradicted that claim on more than one occasion...i was also told by THREE different psychics for the past 2.5 years that "he loves me, but is afraid of it"....the most recent one (whose predictions have already begun coming to pass) told me "he is your soulmate" and "he's built a wall"....and all 3 told me he is going to eventually be coming here from Spain to be with me (they've also said "you've been together in 2 past lives" - TWO! all 3 of them said that!) ....that he's going to realize he loves me and move here...but in the meantime, he's blocked off communication because things have deteriorated ever since i spent 5 glorious days there with him (nothing happened cuz he had a girlfriend at the time, but it was still very enjoyable)

anyway, i was just wondering if that's what you see, too....while i realize you probably aren't a psychic, i was wondering if all of this stuff i've been told by them hold water astrologically....there are some difficult placements there that would point to "doom", (Venus Sq Saturn, Neptune Sq Venus, etc), and i'm the only one willing to keep communication open and work things out....he's done nothing but put obstacles in my way and shut me out....(we met online and belong to the same message board with mutual friends) ....but we also have a karmic tie in our reverse Nodes, as well as a few other interesting little placements thrown in

so does the fact that our names conjuncting our Junos mean we're destined for a committed partnership, or does it mean the exact opposite; separation?

any opinion would be appreciated....

thank you

[Amoroso]

Dear Wetlioness,

First of all, I have taken the liberty of cutting and pasting something Kim wrote on another Juno thread.

"I don’t think any aspect particularly tells us that people are “meant” to be together. I do think aspects can tell us what it might be like if they are!

Let’s think about Juno in the chart first.

Juno differs from the other asteroid goddesses in her unwavering desire for marriage: Ceres prefers the company of the earth, her daughter and the occasional lover. A staunch virgin, Pallas Athena seeks the company of men as comrades in arms. Although offered the hand of marriage by Poseidon and Apollo, Vesta prefers to stay sequestered in her temple, content with managing the sacred flame of renewal. She welcomes men only as a consecrated act of divine union.

Yet Juno/Hera wanted Jupiter/Zeus, king of the pantheon of Mt. Olympus, to be her lawfully wedded husband. Originally a virgin sky deity in her own right, Juno’s marriage to Zeus is thought to represents a merging of two cults that were once dissimilar. How ever it came about, the marriage of Zeus and Hera was a rocky one.

As he did most women, Zeus made various attempts to seduce Juno early on, but she would not submit to him unless he promised to marry her. His desire must have been great, because he agreed and they were married on Mt. Olympus with all the gods and goddesses in attendance.

Although Juno was faithful to her marriage vows, the mighty Zeus certainly was not. The more furious, vengeful, and jealous Juno became, the more he sought the extramarital company of other goddesses, mortals and youths. Their relationship seems volatile and laced with domestic violence, threats and deception. Juno also persecuted the illegitimate offspring of Zeus’ escapades with relentless cruelty. In spite of this, Zeus continued his myriad affairs yet still longed for his wife. She was unquestionably his queen! They had at least three children together.

Primarily the goddess of marriage and maternity, Hera/Juno rules over all aspects of the feminine. She is the image of the archetypal good wife and while long-term committed relationship is her realm."

That being quoted, I add from my own observation that these name asteroids really can make one sit up and notice! They point out a Juno-type union with the other person, but that does not necessarily mean marriage. I have stronger Juno contacts with my mother and another man than my husband of 26 years.

I also had very strong Juno contacts with a woman who was my business partner for three years.

I really understand how compelling it is to hear from psychics that one has been connected in past lives. It mirrors something you already "know" at another level. What I have learned from this site, Kim and alot of my own study is that astrology really can not be used as a prediction forecast. But it can and does show you what energies are available to you, should you use them.

Also, look at the relationship of Juno to those same name asteroids in your natal charts. It will give you a lot of insight into how the synergy works or doesn't work. Also, look at the synergy of Juno with your parents and close family members. More insight.

Hope this helps!

Blessings,
Amoroso

[Kim Falconer]

Thanks for that, Amoroso. All good points.

I'm so busy it is difficult to comment on every post in every thread! Whenever there is a chance to bring up relevant information from previous threads or articles, go for it.

It's helpful and also keeps me from repeating!

Wetlioness, is Juno in synastry making more sense to you now? If I have time to look at the synastry in more detail, I will!

Warmly,
Kim

[wetlioness]

thank you for your replies....i'm trying not to be a pain in the rump about this situation, but as you can probably already tell, it's had me completely obsessed for the past 2.5 years and it's also led me on a humongous spiritual journey (it's what made me delve into matters like synastry and composites in the first place!)

i understand that Juno can represent many different things, and i really wish i could find that thread here which mentioned something about the spouse's name asteroids either falling in the 7th house or conjuncting Juno, because that's what prompted me to check our chart....when i first saw that our names not only conjunct each other's Junos, but also fall in each other's 7th houses, i sat here in shock for a very long time, staring...

i'm not really sure exactly what i'm asking you....but that doesn't surprise me, given my hazardous natal Merc placements AND the fact that Merc is still retro right now *LOL*....i'm also very aware of my Neptunian tendency not to see things clearly....so i guess i'm seeking validation here, as if to say "do you see what i'm seeing, or is it just me?"

it does seem to support what the psychics say, and it is incredible that 3 different ones at 3 different times since 2002 told me the same things about this relationship and many have come to pass already, and i said or did nothing to lead these women towards any of their visions (one even described his poofy hair!!)....it's so hard to keep faith that it'll work out fine, though, because i'm still feeling this incredible energy, this strong PULL inside, an ever-present ache to be around this man, even if it's only by phone...and i oscillate between believing he really does love me but is afraid, and believing he really doesn't love me and i'm deluded...so i agonize, rather than work on my own issues and keep the focus on myself, so that i can live my life well in the meantime, with or without him...actually, to be fair to myself, i really have been forcing myself to be more disciplined and i've been putting in more work and effort on improving myself and my life than i ever had before, but it took that last "break" from him to finally get me out of the foggy rut i had sunken into, where all i wanted to do with my days was daydream about him! ...once i began to read up on things like the Nodes, Saturn and Neptune, it slowly began making sense....and i discovered that the Earthiness that i've craved from him is the same Earthiness i can find within, which ironically is part of my life's destiny via NNode in 2nd...i've looked towards Saturn and Virgo to help give myself what i've been wanting someone else to give me, and that's certainly made a difference...still, though, there's this feeling that won't go away that this man and i are destined to be together

i should've just waited til after Mercury flies straight again before replying cuz i'm sure i just made myself sound completely flakey *LOL*

by the way, i've been reading the "soulmates" thread and i'm finding it a very interesting read...i'm enjoying seeing what everybody else's beliefs are and some of them are ones i'd never even considered before....this is a very educational board and i'm glad i found it



take care...

[Amoroso]

You do not sound flakey in the least! I completely undestand how you feel and your "obsession," because I am there, too, and I bet many people driven to astrology are in the same boat.

Your personal insights are very profound and you've done some great and wise inner work which takes a great deal of courage.

The name asteroid of my spouse of 26 years falls in my third house, and my name asteroid in his chart falls in his 8th house conjunct his Moon. I really, really do not think it is common for the name asteroids of the spouse or committed partner to fall in the 7th house or be in conjunction to Juno, but I am an amateur and can't back that up with evidence.

With the only two men who have been the real great romances of my life, my husband and C, I have tight Sun (thiers) /Juno (mine) conjunctions and many aspects into those conjunctions. So it does seem that Juno in committed romantic relationships would be a factor somehow. I'm just pretty sure it can't predict marriage.

Blessings,
Amoroso

[Kim Falconer]

Hello Wetlioness,

I can see that you are distraught over this man and that the feelings are very intense, painful and challenging. As Amoroso said, you are working with them bravely and I too admire you for that.

You asked: "so does the fact that our names conjuncting our Junos mean we're destined for a committed partnership, or does it mean the exact opposite; separation?"

It means neither.

What name asteroids can say is that you will "pay attention" to this aspect of relationship IF you ever meet. Name asteroids are little red flags that evoke a sense of connection relative to the way that they are placed in the chart. They are not indicators (nor is any one particular placement) of committed partnership or separation. They are like colourful flowers blooming in a grassy field. You notice them, if you walk through that field, and they get you thinking about whatever that particular colour represents. Nothing more, nothing less.

I think that more meaningful question has to do with your 7th house. Look at how many planets you have there! You have Sun, Mercury, Venus, Ceres, Juno, Jupiter, Vtx, Uranus and Pluto!! Have I left anyone out?

Consider for a moment what this stellium indicates. Will personal one-to-one relationships be simple for you? Will you have single, unified needs and wants in that area of life?

Probably not.

A good exercise for you to do is list out each planet in your 7th house and after that planet write a word or two about what it needs, wants and has to offer. Example:

Sun-needs recognition, wants to become, offers individuality.

Uranus-needs autonomy, wants excitement, offers originality.

Do that for every planet and major asteroid.

Now, think about the dichotomy! What Venus wants is very different from what Uranus wants. What Juno wants is different from Pluto--Mercury is different again! How can you honour all these placements?

Unless you are a therapist working with many clients on a daily basis (each representing a planet in your 7th) it's going to be near impossible for you to "do" your complete 7th house all the time.

So what happens?

Well, the psyche can't handle the dichotomy so it splits. It identifies with one planet or two and projects the rest. You do the Sun and somebody else in your life does Pluto (you shine and they go into a brood or lock themselves away and do medical research or go into therapy) or, you do Venus (are loving and affectionate and ready to relate) and they do Uranus (cut of, disconnect and get very busy being autonomous and unavailable). It gets so extreme!

Can you see what I am getting at here?

Your focus now on this relationship with the man who has "blocked off communication " because he "had another girlfriend" and whom psychics say is afraid (of commitments? of Love? of vulnerability?") looks very much like you are "doing" Venus and he is "doing" Uranus.

As long as all these myriad forms of expression that must come out in 7th house ways (personal 1-to-1 relating) are disassociated in you, they will express in bits and pieces of people around you. If you find ways to express the intensity and diversity of your 7th house creatively, you may find the "pressure" is off that "one" special relationship (whomever it is). You may never have completely light and breezy unions (I mean, Pluto and Uranus are not about light and breezy) but you may have more holistic ones with less projection.

Probably you would find if you ignored this man completely, detached from him (you do Uranus) he would "do" Venus. The projection flips. This doesn't mean it gets any more fulfilling because it is still a split.

Your job is to find ways to express both Uranus and Venus, both Sun and Pluto, both Jupiter and Juno etc in the context of relationship.

Does that make sense.

I realize that is not the question you asked--you wanted to know about the contacts of Juno & name asteroids...and what it means for you and this specific man. Given your Pluto in the 7th, you are an automatic magnet for relationships that are dramatic, intense and they will always feel like fate. I am not surprised at the name asteroid connections. It is part of what you attract—intensity, synchronicity, meaning and purpose (Pluto, Jupiter, Mercury in the 7th)

I just think the more interesting question is, "What the heck is going on for me and my personal 1 - to - 1 relationships?

Do the exercise and think about the nature of projection and you will begin to find answers that are more meaningful for your growth.

And perhaps you can ask yourself this: “Why do I want a man in my life who blocks me out and is so detached, unavailable and unloving?” What does that fulfil? Why?

*hugs* to ease the intensity (I can feel that 7th house of your working from here...I must be doing Pluto/Mercury right now)

Let me know how this sits.

Kim

[Kim Falconer]

Wetlioness said:

"does the fact that our names conjuncting our Junos mean we're destined for a committed partnership, or does it mean the exact opposite; separation?"

Here is a post from last year re: the nature of name asteroids.

Hi Kiyomi,

I don’t think it is just a coincidence that we find these connections with name asteroids. You can go a bit nuts with it though, and plot so many names that the chart fills in completely! That would defeat the purpose.

I think if you plot names that have a strong meaning, it gets very interesting. I (being Gemini perhaps) seem to have ‘significant other names’ that run in pairs, or more. When I plot them, I get very interesting results.

I have had a fair few ‘Matt’s’ in my life, including my brother. They sweep in, have a powerful impact and then disappear forever. Isn’t it interesting that the asteroid Matti is exactly conjunct my Uranus in the 11th house?

I have had men named Jason (2) and Tim (4) also have a strong effect on my life, but in a different way. They seem to help me confront (sometimes pleasant and sometimes not so pleasant) my individuality, my path, and my ambitions. I get very clear about who I am around them, one way or the other. (I have had men in my life with these names for decades and am never without at least one!) Curiously, both asteroids Jason and Timhunter are within one degree of my natal Sun!

There is also my sister’s name, which like mine is androgenous, and she fills me with feelings of love and joy, as have men who share that name. That name asteroid is EXACT to the minute my Venus at 0 Cancer.

Here is Jacob Schwarts’ site that goes into great detail and delineates some interesting events around name asteroids. www.asteroids.com/

Name asteroids add a spark of information, fascination. I think they are fun and insightful to use.

Warmly,
Kim

[aquariusrising2]

Hi Kim:

Just read the above post. I think name asteroids are cool and uncanny! How would you read partner A's name asteroid (conjunct his own venus) conjunct parnter B's Ascendant? I'm looking at it as kind of a "here I am, notice me" flag. Would you agree with that?

Thanks for the reply if you have time!

A.R.

[wetlioness]

Kim said:

Hello Wetlioness,

I can see that you are distraught over this man and that the feelings are very intense, painful and challenging. As Amoroso said, you are working with them bravely and I too admire you for that.

You asked: "so does the fact that our names conjuncting our Junos mean we're destined for a committed partnership, or does it mean the exact opposite; separation?"

It means neither.

What name asteroids can say is that you will "pay attention" to this aspect of relationship IF you ever meet. Name asteroids are little red flags that evoke a sense of connection relative to the way that they are placed in the chart. They are not indicators (nor is any one particular placement) of committed partnership or separation. They are like colourful flowers blooming in a grassy field. You notice them, if you walk through that field, and they get you thinking about whatever that particular colour represents. Nothing more, nothing less.

I think that more meaningful question has to do with your 7th house. Look at how many planets you have there! You have Sun, Mercury, Venus, Ceres, Juno, Jupiter, Vtx, Uranus and Pluto!! Have I left anyone out?

Consider for a moment what this stellium indicates. Will personal one-to-one relationships be simple for you? Will you have single, unified needs and wants in that area of life?

Probably not.

A good exercise for you to do is list out each planet in your 7th house and after that planet write a word or two about what it needs, wants and has to offer. Example:

Sun-needs recognition, wants to become, offers individuality.

Uranus-needs autonomy, wants excitement, offers originality.

Do that for every planet and major asteroid.

Now, think about the dichotomy! What Venus wants is very different from what Uranus wants. What Juno wants is different from Pluto--Mercury is different again! How can you honour all these placements?

Unless you are a therapist working with many clients on a daily basis (each representing a planet in your 7th) it's going to be near impossible for you to "do" your complete 7th house all the time.

So what happens?

Well, the psyche can't handle the dichotomy so it splits. It identifies with one planet or two and projects the rest. You do the Sun and somebody else in your life does Pluto (you shine and they go into a brood or lock themselves away and do medical research or go into therapy) or, you do Venus (are loving and affectionate and ready to relate) and they do Uranus (cut of, disconnect and get very busy being autonomous and unavailable). It gets so extreme!

Can you see what I am getting at here?

Your focus now on this relationship with the man who has "blocked off communication " because he "had another girlfriend" and whom psychics say is afraid (of commitments? of Love? of vulnerability?") looks very much like you are "doing" Venus and he is "doing" Uranus.

As long as all these myriad forms of expression that must come out in 7th house ways (personal 1-to-1 relating) are disassociated in you, they will express in bits and pieces of people around you. If you find ways to express the intensity and diversity of your 7th house creatively, you may find the "pressure" is off that "one" special relationship (whomever it is). You may never have completely light and breezy unions (I mean, Pluto and Uranus are not about light and breezy) but you may have more holistic ones with less projection.

Probably you would find if you ignored this man completely, detached from him (you do Uranus) he would "do" Venus. The projection flips. This doesn't mean it gets any more fulfilling because it is still a split.

Your job is to find ways to express both Uranus and Venus, both Sun and Pluto, both Jupiter and Juno etc in the context of relationship.

Does that make sense.

I realize that is not the question you asked--you wanted to know about the contacts of Juno & name asteroids...and what it means for you and this specific man. Given your Pluto in the 7th, you are an automatic magnet for relationships that are dramatic, intense and they will always feel like fate. I am not surprised at the name asteroid connections. It is part of what you attract—intensity, synchronicity, meaning and purpose (Pluto, Jupiter, Mercury in the 7th)

I just think the more interesting question is, "What the heck is going on for me and my personal 1 - to - 1 relationships?

Do the exercise and think about the nature of projection and you will begin to find answers that are more meaningful for your growth.

And perhaps you can ask yourself this: “Why do I want a man in my life who blocks me out and is so detached, unavailable and unloving?” What does that fulfil? Why?

*hugs* to ease the intensity (I can feel that 7th house of your working from here...I must be doing Pluto/Mercury right now)

Let me know how this sits.

Kim

Kim -

this was so much to "chew on" that i read it, was totally stunned into speechlessness, and i spent the past month and a half since you wrote it contemplating the things you had to say....this is why you haven't heard from me until now; i haven't had a clue how to respond! *LOL*

but now, after some time, i've digested it all and i've come to say thank you for that valuable insight....yes, with this stellium, relationships have been the area that have brought me a lot of everything: pain, growth, joy, etc...it's been through other people that a lot of learning has happened, and it's been through my own study of astrology and my natal chart (as well as the synastry between me and certain people) that my life has made sense.....i'm relieved to finally have more of a sense of purpose and i'm fascinated that everything that i've experienced up til now can be found right in my chart

so now i have a better handle on the direction the second half of my life should be taking.....you mentioned being a therapist working with many clients on a daily basis....well, i have Neptune and Mars in my 9th house, in Scorpio, and Chiron is Trine my Neptune....i've recently decided to apply to a college to get a degree in social work so that i can help the bereaved....i've had many losses through death and with the objectivity of my Aquarian Moon, i feel i can definitely handle the job and help people in the community heal and move on with their lives after losing a loved one....it's near and dear to me on one hand, yet i can detach enough so that it isn't going to affect me negatively (depress me)

as far as Javier goes, i still haven't seen or heard from him in a long time, and while that doesn't exactly thrill me, i've finally come to accept it

there isn't a day that goes by that i don't think of him, and sometimes even just the idea of him makes me cry, but i'm still going on with life and building my future....i'm concentrating on myself now, and learning how to stand on my own two feet, which is what my life's challenge is (as indicated by my chart)

i'm learning to love with detachment.....people are actually supposed to be breezing in and out of my life and i'm supposed to be having intense experiences with them so that i can continue growing, and that i can bring something to them, as well....according to Jan Spiller in her book Spiritual Astrology, my Solar and Lunar Eclipses point to my purpose being to teach others how to accept love (those who are aloof and afraid of love) and to learn how to love with detachment, without expecting it returned and without needing praise and approval; uncondional love, which is interesting since my Sun is conjunct my Ceres...all this is to be done without martyring myself

i failed at that with Javier, but the experience was necessary for me to come to realize my destructive patterns and ways....if the relationship is never repaired, it won't have been in vain because i learned a great deal from it....i can't say what he got out of it, but i can only hope it's as much as i got....

he is someone i will always genuinely love wholeheartedly for all my days in this lifetime....

[Kim Falconer]

Wetlioness,

I'm so glad you are still with us.

I know my last post to you was strong and when you didn't relply I sucked in my breath and though, "too much, Kim".

But now you are here and you sound very clear and grounded. Clearly there has been a lot of processing going on!

Congratulations on your return to studies and the career in social work. It's a brave step and one that I feel will bring you a lot of reward.

Thanks for getting back to this thread and sharing so much of yourself. I am certain I 'm not the only one who missed you!

Warmly,
Kim

[wetlioness]

oh, thank you very much, that's so nice of you to say

i appreciated that you put it all out there....that's exactly the type of guidance i looked for....but it did give me a lot to think about, especially the part about projections.....i've had to stand back and try and sort out one planetary influence from another and figure out what the deal is with each....i still don't feel i've successfully done that yet, but just becoming more aware that that could be happening at any given time sure is a valuable tool for me to use towards finally getting a handle on it all, or as much as i can manage to (cuz yes, it is a great deal of energy to work with, and can become very tricky)

thanks again