quintile and biquintile in synastry

[svenskasfinx]

hello everyone again!

I was just wondering if anyone has encountered a synastry chart that had quintile influence strongly within that relationship of the planets in that chart..?

I know that quintile is one of those aspects people call "good" or harmonious, however the darker side of the quintile in a natal chart is that this is about talent being used, as skills and natural abilities one is born with, or one has some how aquired.. however if forgotten this can come back and bite, they say.. (at least in what I have read)

How would such a combination work out within a relationship synastry? Could something one is not noticed for or between two people come back as a conflict? How would one read that?

Thanks ahead of time,

svenskasfinx

[chrissymgreen]

hey svenskasfinx!

i'm curious, too...really curious. i've actually been meaning to ask about this. in synastry i'm sort of confused with the quintile/biquintile, and i do have a number of those aspects in my current relationship.

-my sun quintiles his moon 2°<br>-my moon quintiles his pluto 0°/sappho 2°<br>-my venus biquintiles his mercury 2°/eros 2°/nn 2°<br>-my jupiter quintiles his mercury 2°/NN 2°/IC 2°<br>-my neptune quintiles his mercury 1°/eros 1°<br>
there's more but i'll leave it at that. i'm not really asking about the specific aspects, though the ones i'm most curious about are my sun/his moon and my moon/his pluto. my moon/his pluto especially, because the aspect is by about half a degree.

oh, i forgot to add that natally, i have venus quintile jupiter 0°. natally, he has jupiter quintile pluto 0° (pluto's his chart ruler and jupiter is in the 9th house, so i think this might be important).

hopefully someone can shed a little light on the quintile/biquintile for us!



sincerely,
chrissy





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[Kim Falconer]

I think if any aspect energy comes to “bite back” it is because it isn’t being expressed, honoured or noticed in any other way--any more creative way. The planets are like gods and these powers within us require homage, respect and reverence. If you don’t “build them an alter” (as in the case of Pentheus’ rejection of Dionysus) they can do a lot more than just “bite back”. It can seem like a dismembering!

In synastry, as we have seen in other threads, the aspects degree is less important than in the nativity (recall how the Trine can seem like a conjunction). There is that whole other person’s energy going on …adding to the activation. I think the important thing to see with these 72 degree and 144 degree contacts is THAT THERE IS A CONTACT AT ALL. Think more of WHAT is being activated by planet, sign and house, than HOW it is activated (aspect degree).

Again, any energy unexpressed can “degrade” and that usually gets ugly—dys—(difficult, bad or painful).

The more we honour and express, the more fulfilling it feels.

Of course, that is easy to say in print. What happens when something is difficult to honour—say with that example of his Pluto quintile your Moon. If you are feeling uncomfortable at that moment “breaking down and rebuilding” your emotional and inner life in the area (house) and way (sign) the moon is found—and believe me, sometimes we ARE NOT FEELING UP TO IT—then that quintile is going to grate. You’ll want to retreat and be left alone and he will follow you into the bowels of the underworld saying, “why do you really feel like this…?”

Not pleasant.

Yet, when you are working with your feelings, the rebuilding together can be amazing.

So, not so much the actual degree of the aspect but the contact itself. The sign and house of his Pluto may give you hints on how this might feel to your Moon. How compatible, or disturbing, is it?

I hope this sheds a little light.

Warmly,
Kim

[chrissymgreen]

hey svenskasfinx,

i found something for us on-line about the quintile, don't know if you've seen this:

astrolog.offline.ee/astrolog/texts/lesson.asp

i copied and pasted some of the stuff from that link pertaining to quintiles here:

Interpretations of the harmonics can be derived from these correspondences. Brief descriptions of the meaning I assign aspects in each of the harmonics appear below. In these descriptions, planet A refers to the planet in the pair that is in or rules a Cardinal and/or Positive (Fire, Air) sign, or that is in an angular house (1, 4, 7 or 10); if both planets fit this description, then the relation between planets A and B goes both ways.

5th harmonic (quintile series): A communicates with B. A informs B.
If A and B are in signs or rule signs of opposite polarity, then the two polarities are integrated in an alchemical marriage and issue in creative activity (usually of an intellectual nature).

i thought you might be interested in this. i hope that it helps you. i think it made things a little clearer for me. i agree with kim that sometimes it's not so much the aspect that matters in synastry, it's the contact, and analyzing the signs and houses involved helps focus the picture. however, i do think it's good to have as much background as possible, and i think understanding the nature of the energy exchange of a particular aspect is important. it's just not good to get stuck inside a box, thinking everything is easily explainable. i'm prone to that sometimes, perhaps in part because i have pallas conjunct the sun (tightly) & mercury (loosely) in the 6th house. i think realizing how powerfully this aspect shapes my personality helps remind me to think outside the box. it's why i love studying astrology so much. i understand myself and others so much better, and i believe understanding is the key to positive reform & growth.

i analyzed the synastry aspect i mentioned further, my moon in sagittarius/3rd house quintile gordon's chart ruler, pluto/11th house. that site mentions, with regard to the quintile: "If A and B are in signs or rule signs of opposite polarity, then the two polarities are integrated in an alchemical marriage and issue in creative activity (usually of an intellectual nature)." sagittarius and libra are masculine signs; however, my moon in sagittarius is ruled by jupiter, and my jupiter's in sagittarius which is a masculine sign. his pluto in libra is ruled by venus, and his venus is in scorpio, which is a feminine sign. the signs involved are sagittarius and libra, so the theme is philosophy, learning and education meets beauty, grace, and pleasure. the 3rd and 11th houses are where the activity is, and those are both air houses, so i'd wager that communication/education and friendship/group activities factor in somehow. i'd guess that my emotional nature and intuitive self (moon) coupled with the way i communicate and interact with people (3rd house) stimulates his power to transform (pluto) in an 11th house way. the nature of the exchange is of an intellectual and creative variety, almost mercurial (quintile). did i do good? i think that sounds about right. of course, the way the aspect might actually manifest is more complex than a bunch of words on a page, but i think i have a clearer grasp now that i've analyzed things a bit more.

i hope this helps you! i like hearing other people discuss their various aspects and configurations; i think it helps me see the patterns and logic, it helps me make sense of things.


sincerely,
chrissy

[Kim Falconer]

Thanks for the Link, Chrissy. I’ll go there and have a read.

Your work with the quintile is solid and relevant. Thank you for putting time into this.

This is the kind of interpretive analysis that gets everyone thinking AND understanding more.

Thanks again!
Kim

[svenskasfinx]

I am in Agreement, that you did some wonderful work here Chrissy!

I was thinking that it was totally relevant to the situation with me.. the Quintiles I found in synstry involved both Suns (exact degree of quintile naturally)
with an Aries and my Cancer Sun..

Two creative people communicating with each other, from the oddest of places.

What strange things can happen, if we choose to use this energy to create..since we both are creative people to begin with, it shouldn't be so difficult to imagine.

Thanks everyone and take care!

Svenskasfinx

[chrissymgreen]

well, cool, i'm glad you guys found this as interesting as i do.

i found some additional material on the quintile. i get really into researching stuff on the internet (when i have the time), which sometimes pays off (this guy is all about harmonics, which i understand to some extent):

"The quintile is the 5th harmonic. It’s going to be stronger, louder, more resonant than the 6th harmonic, which is the sextile.

The quintile is an aspect of creation. It represents the Golden Mean, which is found throughout nature. The 5-pointed star has within it the meaning of life. It incorporates Fibonacci’s number series, which mathematically expresses the golden mean. This has a lot to do with the essence of beauty and is represented by Venus. The quintile is often about the spiritual path. Transiting quintiles can show spiritual transformation. Keywords for the
quintile are beauty, love, magic.

The septile is an aspect of illumination. It’s otherworldly. Mozart had a lot of quintiles, and music flowed from him effortlessly. Beethoven had many septiles. He struggled over every note and couldn’t even hear them all, but his music is far more profound. He was totally out of place in this world. Princess Diana had strong septiles, and there were strong transiting septiles at the time of
the crash that killed her.There were also many septiles when the first plane hit the World Trade Center on 9/11. Michael Jackson has many septiles, and in the past two years they’ve been hit by Mars and Neptune. Don’t try to interpret quintiles and septiles
separately, just include them in your interpretation."

i don't know if i agree with this guy about mozart, by the way. i prefer mozart over beethoven; mozart's requiem is my favorite thing to listen to in the morning while i'm working, besides erik satie and chopin. of course, he's probably right about beethoven's music being more complex, maybe because i am a venus type (libra rising), i prefer the beauty of mozart. but i digress - this post isn't about mozart vs. beethoven!

here is the link i found this information at:

64.233.161.104/search?q=cache:4eC6IM4AOgEJ:www.azastrologers.org/Newsletters/newsJan2005.pdf+asteroid+atlantis+astrology&hl=en

i am not sure that will work. here it is again, but in PDF format:

www.azastrologers.org/Newsletters/newsJan2005.pdf

anyways, hope you guys enjoy this additional info!



sincerely,
chrissy

[Amoroso]

Hi Chrissy,

Thanks for providing this info. There is alot to absorb here.

I shouldn't be surprised that there, among other quintiles, is a quintile between my Venus and "Chico's" Saturn. His Venus is conjunct my Saturn. The quintile feels easier to me somehow. Can't explain it yet, but the conjunction is not a very easy pairing.

My husband and I have a Saturn (mine)-Venus (his) trine. It is interesting to intuit the different ways the aspects play out, even with allowing for projection and the fact that the energies end up belonging to both people after time.

Amoroso