eros/psyche conjunction in progressed charts

[darrah]

hi Kim, wow! wonderful and interesting forum! I am a new member and currently devouring all the knowledge here.

well, I have a quick question to start with about two charts I am studying:

what does it mean to have an ongoing conjunction between progressed psyche in one chart and progressed eros in another chart. the orb is tight -- just a few minutes and the two asteroids are projected to be that way for years to come. is this something that could bode well for the relationship and is it significant? thanks for your help and the great website!

[Kim Falconer]

Hello Darrah,

Welcome to the forum.

Yes, progressed Eros to progressed Psyche in the synastry can be significant. Of course, you have to consider all the other contacts and connections, but by itself, this does bode well.

The fact that they are so closely conjunct for so long suggests that if there is going to be a relationship at all, it’s going to be an intense, erotic, loving and quite possibly sexual one. Again, many other considerations must be taken into account for the big picture, but on some level, they will respond to and experience the Psyche/Eros contact when they are together.

Have you read my blurb on these asteroids in the current Eros guide?
www.nrg.com.au/~d-falcon/Guide.htm#Psyche
This section is primarily about the recent transiting trine, but you get a good idea of the merging of these two deities.

What sign is this progression in? What houses are activated?

I find that progressed contacts in synastry can indicate a time when the two people in question finally meet, or commence their relating. Be it creative, practical or romantic, it’s sure to sizzle on some level with Psyche and Eros conjunct!

Thanks for you question.

Let us know how this fits.

Warmly,
Kim

[dar]

Kim said:

What sign is this progression in? What houses are activated?

I find that progressed contacts in synastry can indicate a time when the two people in question finally meet, or commence their relating. Be it creative, practical or romantic, it’s sure to sizzle on some level with Psyche and Eros conjunct!

hi Kim, thanks much for the reply! it was very helpful. I suspected as much. I don't have all the birth details -- am missing the birth detail of the male. I see that the conjunction falls in the fifth house of the female's PROGRESSED chart, and her natal sixth house. it's in 21 degree capricorn -- i.e., both eros (in the male chart) and psyche (in the female chart) are in 21 degree capricorn. any significance to this?

also, if you want, I could outline a couple other interesting and close aspects between them. they have a fascinating interaspected synastry and I have been absorbed by it lately. pretty complicated and lots of close aspects.

and I read your articles. a wonderful, informative read. thanks again, Kim!

darrah.

[Kim Falconer]

Hi Darrah,

I have to wonder if this couple will be working together. Certainly there is a feeling of grounded seriousness to the contact.

How does this express in “real life”? How do these two people relate? The 6th house implies a day to day, routine connection as in family members, work mates or even a health situation like Dr./nurse, Dr. patient ect. I could imagine also two people that connect through there pets (Vet/Client, equestrians, dog training classes etc.)

Yes, lets discuss other aspects (one at a time).

Warmly,
Kim

[darrah]

hi Kim, I am so sorry to have taken so long to reply. I was moving house and RL got to be too much for a while there!

as to the charts... sure I am game if you are. could you help me analyse these aspects please?

this is the breakdown of the more interesting, key aspects, in my opinion. some of these aspects seem to be reciprocal to an extent (a fact I found interesting in itself):

1) female's sun at 28deg capricorn opp male's jupiter as well as his uranus at 27deg cancer

2) male's moon at 12deg pisces opp female's uranus at 9deg virgo as well as her pluto at 13deg virgo

3) male's neptune at 25deg libra squares the oppositions at the 28-27degrees of cancer/capricorn.

4) female's north node at 10deg cancer opp male's north node at 9deg capricorn.

5) female's jupiter at 13deg aries opposite male's sun at 15deg libra.

6) female's moon at 24deg pisces is trine male's venus at 25deg scorpio.

a lot of oppositions, right?

as for the asteroids:

1) female's juno at 25deg scorpio conjunct male's venus at 25deg scorpio

2) female's sun at 28deg capricron widely conjunct male's chiron at 23deg capricorn

3) male's moon at 12deg pisces conjunct female's chiron at 11deg pisces and female's eros at 10deg pisces.

4) female's mars at 5deg aquarius is conjunct male's psyche at 4deg aquarius.

5) female's psyche at 6deg capricorn is conjunct her own mercury at 5deg capricorn and the male's north node at 9deg capricorn.

all I can see is that there seems to be a strong push-pull between them. these are my friends and I can actually feel a lot of tension between them whenever I am around them. there's a kind of magnetism between them. they do work together and seem to have a lot in common creatively and in terms of ideals. but they don't seem to be similar in their habits and interests but opposites. she is creative, even brilliant, very easygoing and slightly indisciplined. he is also creative, but extremely disciplined and rigorous in his work habits. she is more free-floating. he is more organised. Kim, I am not sure if they know of this website but I don't feel free to give the actual birthdata. but if you need to know anything more, just let me know, okay?

she has her moon in pisces, sun in capricorn, mars in aquarius, venus in pisces, mercury in capricorn, jupiter in aries, saturn in aquarius and ascendant in leo. her saturn is in the seventh house and she has never been married.

he has sun in libra, moon in pisces, mercury in scorpio conjunct his saturn, jupiter and uranus conjunct in cancer, venus in scorpio, and mars and chiron conjunct in capricorn. I am not sure about his ascendant. he was married once I know.

thanks for all your help! peace and long life to you and yours.

dar.

[Kim Falconer]

Hi Darrah,

Guest-darrah said:

1) female's sun at 28deg capricorn opp male's jupiter as well as his uranus at 27deg cancer

2) male's moon at 12deg pisces opp female's uranus at 9deg virgo as well as her pluto at 13deg virgo

Okay, let’s look at these points, one at a time. (or two)

I lumped the first two together because what you have here is a personal planet activating an outer planet by synastry. “PEOPLE ARE LIKE PERMANENT TRANSITS” So, whenever this couple gets together, you have what feels to them like transiting Uranus on their Sun/Moon respectively. They really WAKE each other up.

All the Uranian exuberant and vital, urgent and wilful, restless and shocking qualities are directed to their most personal planets AND when they are “doing” the personal planet (when the Sun is being an individual, ambitious, creative and warm or when the Moon is being nurturing, loving, comforting, emotive) it is going to activate their Uranus drives for freedom, rebellion, eccentricity and autonomy! Do you see how this works?

It’s exuberant to be around each other as long as they are enjoying the surprise and the restless stimulation. It’s unnerving and shattering, edgy and uncomfortable if they are trying to be settled, stable, cohesive and locked in.

This contacts really make the heart race (in anger or attraction) when they first meet. It’s great to have such a surprise. Obviously, the nature of the relationship will determine if this “surprise” can be sustained. Uranus fits no mould. If they try to put their relationship in one, it’s going to feel like glass about to break.

The natal signs and aspects are going to say a lot about wether this kind of cross aspect is felt as exhilarating or exasperating. Someone very earthy and pragmatic is going to have a harder time with it than someone with a lot of Air or fire or a natal Uranus aspect to a personal planet. How well does this synastry aspect “fit in” with the natal charts? I don't think the Capricorn/Cancer or Pisces/Virgo finds it the easiest thing in the world!

Does this make sense?

Anyone else want to comment here?

Warmly,
Kim

[darrah]

"respectively. They really WAKE each other up.

All the Uranian exuberant and vital, urgent and wilful, restless and shocking qualities are directed to their most personal planets AND when they are “doing” the personal planet (when the Sun is being an individual, ambitious, creative and warm or when the Moon is being nurturing, loving, comforting, emotive) it is going to activate their Uranus drives for freedom, rebellion, eccentricity and autonomy! Do you see how this works?"

I think so. so you're saying that these two aspects/contacts are basically "upsetting" (as in the real meaning of the term) to the two people? I can see some of this in action. they are always talking to each other about things. it's like they can't stop checking out what the other thinks about everything. and they also get bothered if the other disagrees. but they do agree on an amazing number of issues/ideas. does that follow from these two aspects?

"It’s exuberant to be around each other as long as they are enjoying the surprise and the restless stimulation. It’s unnerving and shattering, edgy and uncomfortable if they are trying to be settled, stable, cohesive and locked in.

yeah, so in a traditional marriage this kind of aspect would be hell. right?

"This contacts really make the heart race (in anger or attraction) when they first meet. It’s great to have such a surprise. Obviously, the nature of the relationship will determine if this “surprise” can be sustained. Uranus fits no mould. If they try to put their relationship in one, it’s going to feel like glass about to break.

I also found it interesting that it's the woman's sun and the man's moon that's aspected by the uranian contacts. and the orbs seem pretty tight too. my friend (the woman) is pretty sure about her birth time, but the man is not. would that mean that the woman's ideas about "man" would be challenged by the man, and vice versa?

"The natal signs and aspects are going to say a lot about wether this kind of cross aspect is felt as exhilarating or exasperating. Someone very earthy and pragmatic is going to have a harder time with it than someone with a lot of Air or fire or a natal Uranus aspect to a personal planet. How well does this synastry aspect “fit in” with the natal charts? I don't think the Capricorn/Cancer or Pisces/Virgo finds it the easiest thing in the world!"

yep. so I am just thinking aloud here: pisces wants to be romantic and wants candlelight and violins, whereas Virgo just wants to do takeout? simplistic, I know. so what would be the cancer/capricorn angle? also, it's interesting that both the oppositions are in the earth/water axes. the man's moon is in pisces and the woman's sun is in capricorn. but I am assuming that its capricorn which would have the most problems dealing with this sort of opposition. am I right? water is more flexible than earth, right?

the funny thing is my friend (the woman) exchibits a LOT of airy qualities. she is very aquarian. in some ways militant, in some ways irepressible. she's also very elusive, gentle and caring (though I hear that is also a piscean quality). the man is very charming, and just... nice! but when they are together, they often aren't very "nice" to each other. hmm.

"Does this make sense?"

it does Kim! thanks so much for all your insights! on a different, administrative note: I can't seem to login or register! any idea as to why? I am having to use this forum as a guest.

thanks a bunch!
darrah.

[Kim Falconer]

Hi Darrah,

I’ll respond to your comments about this synastry in the next few days. Meanwhile, I am concerned you are unable to log in. I have sent a “personal message”. See if you can receive that. Otherwise, let me know what’s happening. Does it not recognize your user name or password?

It should be easily sorted.

Blessings,
Kim

[Kim Falconer]

Hello Darrah,

I think some of the “upsetting” behavior you describe is part of these Uranian cross aspects. They are STIMULATING and that is going to feel good to the degree that each, at that given moment, wants to be stimulated.

Traditional anything is difficult with a strong Uranus. He is not traditional. If you try to hammer his square sides into a round hole, it will be painful.

Because Uranus activates the woman’s Sun, her ideas about her own individuality and distinction are awakened. If she projects that part of herself onto “men”, then yes, it will effect her ideas about them.

Because his Moon is activated, his feelings and emotions, sense of security and nurturing are touched. If he projects that part of himself onto women, then he will experience it outside himself as “women” in his life. Usually, it is a bit of both—a bit of internal recognition, a bit of projection. This all depends on the individual.

Pisces, being a mutable sign, is more flexible by nature. Virgo is also mutable, able to adapt. Pisces can just “go with the flow”, Capricorn not so much. Capricorn likes to plan, to be organized—no spontaneity unless it’s planned for in advance! The Uranian contact is stimulating, yet also irritating. I can imagine they do get annoyed with each other, yet are also drawn to and compelled by each other.

Yes, this does make sense. And perhaps she has planets in the 11th house, or in Aquarius or in aspect to her natal Uranus (or progressed into Aquarius) that give her that feel. No one is just one (or two or three) things. It is very complex!

Thanks for your comments.

Warmly,
Kim