importance of saturn

[aquaeyes75]

Hi all!
I'm a newbie and clueless.

Are Saturn aspects equal to or as important as Sun aspects? The reason I ask is because I notice that there's no aspect between Eros and the Sun in a composite chart, yet, Kim has pointed out that in both our natal charts there are strong Saturns (not sure what this means, but my Saturn is 12 degress cancer and his saturn is 2 degress taurus) and there is also a strong Saturn in the composite (Eros square C. Saturn). Could this be enough to draw, and hold, two people together as a romantic couple?

Is a sun aspect in a composite chart essential a longterm romantic partnership? What does its absence signify? (It appears once in the synastries as eros trine sun.)

Any insight would be greatly greatly appreciated--still trying to understand the mysteries holding this short (5 month) but very cathartic relationship together.
Thank you! Amelia

[Kim Falconer]

Hello Amelia,

Welcome and thanks for posting your questions here. First up, re your email, you CAN read the composite chart delineations on their own, separate from the synastry. It simply tells a different story.

The Synastry is about two people as “permanent transits”. How two (or more) people stir each other, what they awaken, what they project, where and how they take each other as a couple. How they feel about each other. It’s like there is this complex layer cake and the synastry tells how each person likes each layer, each bit, at any given time.

The composite, however, is a chart of the relationship as an “entity”. It is the atmosphere created around the couple, a third factor coming from the two. The composite is an energy field that doesn’t describe how two people feel about each other, (what they like or dislike about the layers) but what they become as a couple. It’s IS the cake, if you like. Can you see the difference?

With that in mind, let’s consider your questions. PLEASE, anyone with comments here, jump in. The more input, the better.

aquaeyes75 said:

Are Saturn aspects equal to or as important as Sun aspects?

Think of the aspects as ingredients in the cake. You can’t really say the butter is more important than the eggs or the salt more vital than the sugar. They each have something important to offer, to highlight. Every composite chart will have the Sun in a sign and house polarity, describing the purpose of the relationship. The composite Saturn will describe boundaries in the relationship, where through limits it produces something intermittent yet rarefied.

Sun aspects and Saturn aspects simply describe different things. How important they are is only answered by how important they are to you. Any given aspect or planetary position can be “enough” to draw and hold two people together if it awakens something fundamental in them both, at the right time, the right place.


Is a sun aspect in a composite chart essential in a longterm romantic partnership?

That answer now becomes more clear. An aspect between any asteroid or planet and the Sun is not essential for a long-term relationship. It just means that the Sun in the composite will function with less complications, less contingencies. The purpose of the relationship is more singular. Realize, your composite Sun has many aspects, just not a major one to composite Eros. It is sextile the Moon and Neptune, conjunct Mercury/Venus/Mars, trine Saturn and Pluto, square Uranus and quintile Chiron. The purpose of the relationship is quite complex.

Any planet not aspecting the Sun in a composite means the what that planet or asteroid represents may express regardless or outside the frame work of the conscious purpose of being together.

Does this start to make sense?

Anyone else like to comment here?

Thanks for your questions, Amelia.

Warmly,
Kim

[aquaeyes75]

Kim,
Thanks for your explanation and cake analogy. : ) Now I understand the difference between the synastries and the composite. And, I think see the importance of, or lack of, aspects to Sun and Saturn.

So, what would having a "strong" sun or saturn in a chart mean? How does it get it's strength? From being posivitly aspected? or not apected at all? OR something else? And what does it mean if there's a strong planet in both natal charts and in the composite? Do they work together the make the effect even more powerful? OR, is it just like having one particular purpose or theme in each person's life and also the life of the relationship, because that same planet's strength is being repeated?

Another question: if no planets are more important than others (just different), are there any themes (aspects, synastries) that seem to come up more in teh composite charts of succesful long-term relationships? I noticed a statistic in the computer generated report, for instance, that with Eros trine or sextile to Neptune in the composite there's a strong unlikelyhood of staying together. (92% of couples with this aspect are no longer together.) Are there certain aspects that appear frequently in composite charts of couples do last a long time?

If i'm making wrong assumptions, please do correct me!! (My understanding is so limited that I realize I could be confusing things even more, so apologies if this is the case.)

Thanks so much for any help or comments anyone can share : )
Amelia

[Kim Falconer]

Hi Amelia,

It’s good to see your interest in synastry/composite astrology. It is a very complex art, interpreting charts of relationships…you have to ask the right questions. For example, “is this a good relationship” really has little meaning. Define good. Good for what? The question becomes much more interesting if we ask, “What is this relationship good for?” Make sense?

You want to know about longevity. What aspects make a relationship “last”. It’s a bit like asking how long you’ve got to live. Perhaps it’s more important to focus on what one does with the life than how long they are going to do it! Longevity in a relationship is so subjective! To me, relationships that carry on in some form or another for more than a decade are massively long-lived. To others, a life-time isn’t long enough. With your prominent Saturn in your natal chart, (it aspects almost every planet and is the “handle” to your “bucket” chart pattern) and the fact that you have just had your first Saturn Return, I understand the desire to form bonds and structures that are lasting in a traditional sense of the word. Saturn contacts in the synastry and composite can indicate relationships that form strong and lasting ties, if that resonates with both parties. What does it take to keep two people together? That depends entirely on the two people.

I’ve seen charts that have very strong Uranus contacts, implying rollercoaster speed of light change, instability and restlessness. If both those involved like such excitement, they may be together for ages! If one or both of them is earthy and pragmatic, it’s probably not going to endure too long. Do you see how this works? An aspect that suggests instability can carry on indefinitely when that is what the couple thrive on. An aspect that indicates endurance could break the same couple up, because they feel trapped and limited. You can’t say there are indications of a relationship lasting without looking at the whole picture!

What I said about Neptune/Eros was:

Of the composite charts reviewed with Eros in trine or sextile aspect to Neptune, 92% are no longer together. This may be more a reflection on the database and the data base keeper’s clientele than the inclined longevity described by the contact. Some of these relationships lasted almost a decade, although not without taking a toll.

Again, Neptune Eros sextiles and trines (you have the square, by the way) tend to feel, sooner or later, disillusionment if they aren't participating together in some kind of spiritual, artistic or idealized goal. That Neptune needs altruistic goals that are larger than life for both people to work towards. If the life is “ordinary”, it can seem too plain, too mundane for Neptune. The trines and sextiles are traditionally the “easy, flowing” contacts. My experience is that they aren’t confronting enough or demanding enough to spur the couple on towards more lofty pursuits, a seeming necessity of Neptune. Also, my database is filled in part with spiritual seeking discontents who tend not to stay in one place (or with on person or thing) for long, hence my comments previous.

Your question:

What would having a "strong" sun or saturn in a chart mean? How And what does it mean if there's a strong planet in both natal charts and in the composite?

When I use the term “strong” I mean highlighted, activated, impossible to ignore. Your Saturn is strong in you composite because it aspects just about everything (as it does in both your natal chats) It just can’t be ignored. As I just mentioned about the trines and sextiles (traditionally positive) I don’t think of aspects as good or bad, but as connections. The fact that two bodies are in contact is much more important than the mathematical angle of that connection. It means they are activated in a certain way. A theme (in this case Saturn’s desire for permanence, form, structure, goals, ambitions, recognition and security) awakens. Because it is in both natal charts and the composite, it is a shared experience. This works well as long as both parties are comfortable with that theme.

If one person is not ready, for whatever reason, to honor that Saturn, it all becomes uncomfortable and confronting. Do you see how intricate this is? The charts are a road map, telling us what the terrain is like. Do we want to go mountain climbing at this particular point in time, or go for a swim in the sea? Timing and self-awareness are as crucial to any giving chart comparison, and relationship, as the planets being compared!

Hope this continues to shed light.

Warmly,
Kim

[aquaeyes75]

Kim,

Thank you so much! I love the explanations and comments you shared here, not only for the synastry/composite insight, but also for their value in understanding the astrology that defines me! I'm going to copy this, keep it and refer to often to help keep a more broad and sinuous perspective on what I read and learn.

Many thanks,
Amelia

[Kim Falconer]

You are very welcome. Please ask questions or start new threads whenever the interest sparks you!

Warm wishes,
Kim