Asteroid 1866 Sisyphus

[Kim Falconer]

I think Sisyphus is an image of “hubris”, a crime of disrespect to the gods. It was the only thing that really upset them-when a mortal was arrogant and overbearing against their divinity.

My Sisyphus is exact on Zero degrees of Aries. Interesting. It squares my Venus/Jupiter at zero Cancer. I am going to have to give this some thought.

Homer said,

And I saw Sisyphus at his endless task raising his prodigious stone with both his hands. With hands and feet he tried to roll it up to the top of the hill, but always, just before he could roll it over on to the other side, its weight would be too much for him, and the pitiless stone would come thundering down again on to the plain.

This would have to describe my relationship life!

Very interesting.

Kim

[svenskasfinx]

Ok,

even though I have a lot to do tomorrow and need to sleep I had to look this one up too.. results were interesting..

1866 Sisyphus at 21 degrees Leo in my 3rd house with a sextile to Mercury (in the 12th), and a trine to Saturn (11th) and a square to my Neptune/Icarus conjunction (6th) I have come to the this odd conclusion that I keep having to relearn how to communicate constantly, if what you both say is true..

This is part of my story though; My first language was Chinese, I just told that to LunarScorpyMoon ect.. and I had to start over again at learning how to speak when I was 3-4 because no one spoke Chinese after I moved away from New York, (including my mother!)

So I had to learn English.

And when I got older (much older) I started a course in German several years ago in university, (because they didn't have Chinese) and thus forgot all my German when I moved to Sweden and learned Swedish. I keep feeling that I have had to start over and over with languages, however, it doesn't feel like a punishment but just confusing... sometimes very confusing! I keep having to relearn how to spell as well, due to my dyslexia..

(did I mention that I can understand a bit of Spanish but can't speak it.. but I sound like I can.)

I wonder if I've got this correct..

svenskasfinx

[Kim Falconer]

Just a quick note (still deeply pondering Sisyphus at 0 Aries/Venus).

The ancients used to see the gods in the planets, on Mt. Olympus, in a tree, a stream, a grove.

They used astrology to discern the “vague and clouded intensions of the gods”, because that is how we become whole, complete—we have to honor the gods.

Now, we use astrology to discern the “vague and clouded intentions of the unconscious” because that is where the gods have gone…into the depths of our psyche, into our dreams and symbolic world.

As far as interpreting Sisyphus during your corporate employee days, you needed to honor and pay reverence and respect to your own unconscious—your true, complete self. It is no surprise that your internal authority was projected out onto the “higher corporate authority” and then…well, disaster.

You were not aligned with not able to honor, your true self in that situation, correct?.

You’ll find, I think, that Sisyphus gets that rock over the hill when you are!

More soon on this!
Kim

[Kim Falconer]

Wow…that’s just…well, wow.

I’m speechless.

I don’t know if I can ever live up to that though it is certainly a goal…an intention…the teaching from the heart.

Venus rules my 3rd house and is on the vernal point at 0 Cancer with Jupiter. Maybe the lack of Mercury contacts to this configuration fits with your “not from the intellect” comment.

Whatever it is, whatever it means, it certainly puts a smile on my face. Thank you for your transmission!!

More on this topic soon!

Kim

[Kim Falconer]

I like the image of the double sided coin.

On an emotional and even pragmatic level, I weary of rolling that rock up the hill again. When it comes to relationship, I watched it roll down so many times. Now I don’t have the strength or vision or hope to roll it back up, again…<br>

[svenskasfinx]

Hello!

This is something interesting...

A chart I'm certain you are all familar with by now.. but adding of Sisyphus (1866) and Pandora (55) and a few others its showing up conjunct Pluto and Uranus conjunction makes me feel sort of as if I've been too harsh on him or something.

Or it is him that could start trouble becoming bored with the way things are in a Pandora style and then goes too far and becomes punished in some odd way (thinking about Pandora as a myth being both blessing and curse coupled with Sisyphus the symbols are quite overwhelming)

I just wanted to talk about this somewhere; usually I felt quite ok with the repuation of Pluto or Uranus in the 5th house in his chart, now I'm getting quite uneasy about this energy and how it could express itself in the future.

(I think I'm feeling more sensitive to this as my planets are being transited by so many in Virgo right now too.. and had a huge Nightmare last night.... )

I think the best way out is using this energy between him and myself as something to inspire growth by creative means and perhaps a long emotional discussiong about redoing some aspects about our home, or home life.. and just try to help him see that things are more fun than he thinks.

(He's been working a lot and then comes home and sits in front of the computer to work on his pet projects (websites and downloads and editing and learning new things)-

I haven't taken a look at Mercury yet, I wonder if the the nightmare was related to the motion Stationary or Retrograde.. (that happens when the mind is trying to communicate things).

Take care all,

Svenskasfinx

[svenskasfinx]

Hej ScorpMoon and Kim;

Thanks for the images and links provided.. I was just reading something of interest to me on the various "inmates" Hades... actually very interesting because I have actually read a few things about some of these various named asteroids.

Seeing this as a group..it has a Promethian sort of ring to some of them concerning their punishments... perhaps we need to know exactly the symbolic meaning of their "crime" first before we even think of their eternal punishments.

Perhaps as in many cases they "knew too much" concerning the nature of the Gods and the universe..and gave away too many secrets.

In reading this a documentary about Leonardo DiVinci was on last night and I got a glimps of it, and some of the things about the understanding the nature of life and the universe and reveiling secrets about the way things work by simply observing seems to be the kind of "crime" The Church at the time would have punished someone for.. and just naturally knowing that the Earth was not Created in just 7 days was a radical statment in itself..worthy of some kind of punishment.

Yes we can say under one case where our own punishment or Hell comes from not being true to ourselves (internal supression) or we can let out the inner workings and enigmas and be punished (external supression) but is there perhaps a third path?

Maybe this thread helped me out with one thing.. we do tend to create our own hells, and by images we fix onto, we also can create our own heavens.. but I feel that with this one symbol, there is a version of hell and that important area of life that we need so much is denied to us...

The satisfaction of completion will never come from this version/ however from some of the myths we also see that it is within the moment, before completion where everything is PERFECT....(before that first kiss.. one imagines how wonderous it could be), and they say that was that point, a romantic point where everything was as it should be..

Two sides of a coin seem to be showing up again.

Sorry I'm so chatty at the moment.

Take care all,

Svenskasfinx

[Kim Falconer]

Hi ScorpyMoon,

What wonderful dream imagery that is! You where tuned right into Sisiphus, without realizing it at the time! Where are your transits now, that you turn back to that dream of 1997 and see it in a new way?

I think the dream says something about the enormity of your creative potential and also the burden of working with it. It doesn’t “fit” into the provided container…it’s too big! Where will it fit in?

As for the redeeming feature of Sisiphus, it isn’t always easy to see. Perhaps Sisiphus is not about the outcome, about getting a result or gaining an apparent insight. Maybe Sisiphus is about the process, and something in the “doing” of the task, no mater how redundant and futile it may seem from our perspective, is actually the redemption itself. Perhaps something is expiated, finally, without us ever understanding it…we can’t always “see” Necessity…Fate is as mysterious as it is ineffable.

Thanks for your input!!!

Kim

[Kim Falconer]

You are welcome! I think it’s very significant that the “sensitized” point of 13-15 Sagittarius (mentioned in the Mercury Rx thread) was being activated by Mercury’s direct transit when you re-discovered these dreams, and heard from “the man”.

Your Draco Neptune is 15 Sagittarius, you realize, conjunct you Draconic Mercury/Pluto Midpoint at 14 Sag 40. What better imagery for such personal “buried treasures” and insights from dreams!

Kim The Stargazer!

[belinda]

I have sisyphus in my Virgo Asc

and in synastry,my sisyphus is conj his sun and merkury

what does it mean?

[Aphrodite]

Greetings Belinda,

My Love and I have Sisyphus prominent in synastry and in the composite chart. I get a "past life" feeling between us from these contacts. Indeed, even in this life it feels like we will never be "DONE". There are many things that seem (to outsiders) to keep us apart, but we are never apart. We have an enduring relationship. But we are not together in the traditional sense either.

[glow=red,2,300]THE POWER TO CHOOSE[/glow]

I think the nature of the contacts between you will dictate why you choose to keep pushing the rock up the hill together, so to speak, and also whether you enjoy it or not. Ascendant conjunct Sun/Mercury is a significant aspect. I strongly suspect that it isn't the only significant aspect - just the one you are worried about.

Well, don't worry. Remember that the gods could never control Sisyphus or get him to do anything except die. Even that took some doing. Don't ever believe that he was condemned; that's just spin control. In death, it is Sisyphus who chooses to push the rock up the hill. Seriously, what else could happen to him? He's already dead! Pushing that rock is his final act of defiance against the gods. The gods might be able to prevent him from succeeding at it (at least for now), but they can't stop him from trying. In that lies their defeat and the ultimate triumph of Sisyphus.

I strongly recommend you read Camus. Oh, and another thing... Enjoy your relationship. Ignore any naysayers, including the internal demons (doubt, fear, guilt, etc.) you may encounter. All heroes encounter these folks along the path of their journey. Listening to them will just slow you down (I speak from experience!). It is your choice to journey with this man or not. You are the hero and this is your story to write. You may never finish writing it!

Starlight and blessings to you both,

Aphrodite

P.S. How long have you been together?

[Kim Falconer]

Aphrodite, thank you for your inspiring post (and for bringing me back to my 2004 view of relationships! Wow....That was another lifetime, another person.) Insightful!

Your words about choice resonate strongly. We always have a choice! And 'Ignore the naysayer, internal or external. Yes. It's just a reflection of fear that, with a little love and lightness of being, can transform (And if it doesn't, that's okay too. It's not our job to change the way others think! That's their choice!)

Thanks again...this has been a very enlightening morning for me!

x Kim

[tom]

i've spent a lot of time working on camus' ideas, after the stranger showed me how to regain some capacity to have faith in life (i had the opposite experience as many, but that's what he was trying to do - i ended up doing my thesis in college on that work! found it inspiring).

my sisyphus is in virgo in the 11th, making a t-square with moon in sagittarius/3 and saturn in gemini/9th.

i definitely feel networking and advertising my work as a chore, but have learned to put my shoulder into it and enjoy the process (even laughing at it and me doing it), since it gets me to my goals. so for me it's a lot of choosing to deal with the reality in front of me, the feeling of an unending chore. but really i have the choice on what to make that effort mean. is it horrible? no, i just don't like it.
the result will definitely get my moon-saturn "work product" out there, which is important to me.