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Post by alrhino on Dec 1, 2004 23:45:32 GMT
I have just discovered the asteroids and have dove right in. I found out that the asteroid "Icarus" is conjunct my sun.
Reading about it on another board, it pretty much seems to be about "pride before a fall". Are there any positive repercussions to having this aspect? Any info on this asteroid?
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Post by Kim Falconer on Dec 4, 2004 0:19:11 GMT
Dear AlRhino, AT the “Treehouse Mountain Astrology of the Asteroids” site, you get this delineation: ICARUS: Escapes that are careless of consequences; desire to “get outta' here;” the fast break impulse; attraction to speed, danger or risk; desire to get away from restrictions (of aspecting points). Zip Dobyns calls Icarus “overreach and a crash”symbol! So, I understand your concern! How close is the conjunction to your Sun? Within one degree? You’d want it to be very tight in orb, I feel, and also consider the sign. Icarus in Cancer may have the “fast break impulse” in the realm of emotions…Icarus in Sagittarius might actually own a red Ferrari! Zane Stein says: “Where Icarus falls in your chart the typical tendency is to have a low tolerance to restrictions. You want to escape any confining influences here, or any responsibility that gets too heavy.” I agree! Read his entire delineation here: www.geocities.com/SoHo/7969/icarus.htmI suspect Icarus could be a real ally by giving the impulsion to get out of oppressive situations or go for goals others tell us are impossible. It doesn’t have to always be “crash and burn”. I would consider the sign and house and think of how this energy might be guiding you. Let me know how this fits. Warmly, Kim |
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Post by alrhino on Dec 4, 2004 18:59:06 GMT
The orb is 1 degree 29 mins would that orb be too much?
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Post by svenskasfinx on Dec 4, 2004 19:23:17 GMT
The orb is 1 degree 29 mins would that orb be too much? Hello AlRhino! I can tell you right now, that only one and a half degrees would not be too much of an orb and when dealing with aspects to the Sun some people (not me but some people) use 17 degrees!!! Personally I use only about 8-12 degrees with the Sun and Moon depending upon the planet involved. Thought I'd try to be helpful ( hope it even helps  ) Its an interesting conjunction in the sign of Aries! I hope there are some aspects somewhere to Saturn which modify your impulsiveness, because I could imagine that it feels quiet daring considering what I have read and what Kim has said.  Take care,  svenskasfinx |
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Post by Kim Falconer on Dec 5, 2004 1:56:58 GMT
Yes, 1.5 degree orb to the Sun, even being a “minor body” is certainly close enough to feel.
What is your experience with this conjunction? Do you find it impulsive and reckless or a good friend when you are in a tight spot?
What sign and house?
Who else has a strong Icarus to natal planet conjunction?
Warmly,
Kim
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Post by svenskasfinx on Dec 5, 2004 21:55:11 GMT
Yes, 1.5 degree orb to the Sun, even being a “minor body” is certainly close enough to feel. What is your experience with this conjunction? Do you find it impulsive and reckless or a good friend when you are in a tight spot? What sign and house? Who else has a strong Icarus to natal planet conjunction? Warmly, Kim Hello yes! I usually don't want to be too curious but Icarus was found in Scorpio in my 6th house in a conjuction of about 1 degree 47 minutes; I assume even for a minor body and Neptune in retrograde thats kind of close because Icarus is direct. This adds even more stuff to think about! I just didn't assume that I would find anything special conjuncting planets anymore just due to the fact.. there are only so many asteroids! I get the feeling that this only helps me to push myself physically too far without even knowing it; I guess my mood about my health is colouring my discovery. I have to ask myself, "do I really push myself too far?" My husband has it in his tenth house, but no conjuctions or major aspects to anything but a sextile to his Venus/Apollo conjunction in Aries. MY SON has Icarus in close conjuction to Uranus (0 degree 10 minutes) in the seventh house (the seventh house ruler and in Aquarious) That and his conjunction of Mars in Sag with the vertex and Chiron in the fith house only emphisise something I already suspect about him. I will have to wonder how his relationships are going to be in the future; especially for someone so charming with such a full tenth house. I can only speculate, but it seems a bit stormy at best. |
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Post by Kim Falconer on Dec 6, 2004 0:07:04 GMT
I wonder if Icarus in Scorpio in the 6th with Neptune acts in ways that are mysterious or difficult for you to identify. Neptune is odd in the 6th because it is such a physical house for a noncoproreal planet to express. The body can cop a lot of energy that is hard to discern. Icarus in Scorpio seems stubborn and very tenacious. The energy may internalize quite a bit and express not just in the body but in the daily routine. You may attract Icarus outside of yourself…like the adventurous energy of your son, or a work mate-that sort of thing. I get the feeling that you would really enjoy studying anatomy and physiology—or even doing some kind of related, paramedical research there. I get the image of a lab, working with dangerous viruses, searching for a breakthrough cure.  Anyway, it is food for thought. Warmly, Kim |
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Post by svenskasfinx on Dec 6, 2004 12:15:10 GMT
"....Icarus in Scorpio seems stubborn and very tenacious. The energy may internalize quite a bit and express not just in the body but in the daily routine. You may attract Icarus outside of yourself…like the adventurous energy of your son, or a work mate-that sort of thing. I get the feeling that you would really enjoy studying anatomy and physiology—or even doing some kind of related, paramedical research there. I get the image of a lab, working with dangerous viruses, searching for a breakthrough cure. ..." hej Kim! Funny that you should say that! When I was about 16 I was very highly interested in a carreer in science, but in chemistry. Basicly I did TRY to pursue the "lab technician" job thing, only to find what I wanted was simply not available any more, (for trainning that is, and maybe nowdays the job itself because more and more people have to be more willing to be like nurses and work directly with the sick) I actually had a conversation about that recently as well with the lady who took my blood for the tests which came back nothing wrong. I thought when I pursued art that I would take a course in anatomy and physiology however the ethics of the course were questionable dealing with the actual killing of animals, something I am dead set against, as they did not even dontate their lives or bodies willingly as human beings do, nowdays. But I imagined myself before I found out about the course's darker side, being like "DiVinci" without all the objection of the moral problems of dealing with the bodies of the dead as models. Kim; you are definitly in your correct field of work! I feel several times over and over you are so strongly psychic, even though it shouldn't amaze me (I'm usually not phased by anything like that) I get a chill! Last night I was going through some of the named asteroids and definitions provided by some of the links you gave to the forum and I naturally found in conjunct with Urania 30 was Dali 2919 at 1 degree Cancer as well! I asumed something and went on a hunch with it about my husband's chart and his Dali was up at the top of my chart, where my "Kafka" 3412 near by, but his Kafka is in conjunct with my Dali at the first degree Cancer. I was just somewhat inpressed with my guess.. he has Varuna 20000 in conjunct his Mars/Mercury/N.Node combination at 26 degrees Taurus and that resonated something with me also, only due to the fact that I see him as one of those people who ALWAYS takes a good idea farther than anyone I know. (this is something I feel we differ with) I get the feeling of a potential power house, although I felt that previously...even though these are located in the 12th house... still, something tells me he will eventually get the recognition I feel he deserves in his job or anywhere else, but he may not be happy with it. Thanks for the food for thought! svenskasfinx! P.S. ever notice that Mercury retrograde makes some people do more research?? Perhaps over do it?? (not that those normal retrograde problems are not around. ) |
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Post by Kim Falconer on Dec 6, 2004 21:23:58 GMT
Thanks for the feed back…it certainly helps me understand the nature of these asteroids more completely! Mercury Rx always seems to make us reflect more and here in Sagittarius, it seems many are looking to discover something through that thorough pondering, reconsidering, re-thinking and REmembering! Of course, anything in Sag can be overdone—extreme!  Thanks again. Kim |
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Post by svenskasfinx on Jan 10, 2005 0:15:24 GMT
Hello All! I was looking at many of the Declinations of Icarus (1566) in some charts I have, and I noticed that Icarus seems to have an odd orbit and that it tends to go "out of bounds" quite a lot! I have one chart, and I know this woman's history so well with Icarus in the 11th house in 0 degrees in intercepted Pisces at a declination of 50°49’39" S! It's the high point of her chart besides Psyche (conjunct MC) (as far as I know after all there COULD ALWAYS be MORE asteroids) She however for having a very full 4th and 5th has lived a very PUBLIC LIFE; before she was an astrologer she was an actress and was in a small part in a Felini Film; That's very public! But we are all puzzled by her total lack of planets and asteroids above the horizon.. even I have more than she does. She has done some things and has become scandlized too; None the less she has a very strange history She even on a dare because she was in love, went into the Bull Ring to Fight the Bull, she said to prove her love to the man she was attracted to! I feel that maybe Icarus so out of bounds and in opposition to Jupiter in Virgo in the 5th makes a brilliant symbol of the exagerated things she did for love.. Now talking about these things makes me have to post this chart. Some points to take into account; many signs intercepted.  I feel this particular post goes under a few topics but lets just call it Icarus.. take care, svenskasfinx P.S. my husband's Icarus is also out of bounds in Aquarius in the 10th house! But that was just my point, Icarus seems to be commonly out of bounds. |
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Post by Kim Falconer on Jan 10, 2005 23:02:15 GMT
Hi Svenskasfinx,
Yes, many of the asteroids have extreme ecliptics and do go out-of-bounds frequently. That Icarus on the 11th can do some wild things in front of groups!
I wouldn’t worry about wondering why she is so “out there” yet has nothing above the horizon. Uranus, her MC ruler is conjunct the ASC! That is pretty wild, zany and out there! Also she is a LEO with Moon in SAGITTARIUS! We are talking pushing the boundaries extrovert here! All that fire is full of energy, conducts energy like nobody’s business and generally it blares out into the world like a beam of light. Also note her AP is up “high in the sky”.
This is a very interesting chart example. Thank you for posting it!
Warmly,
Kim
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Post by marie on Jan 11, 2005 2:09:37 GMT
Hello All,
I just found Icarus in Scorpio at eight degrees in my tenth house conjunct my midheaven by one degree.
I have had trouble finding my professional place in the world and wonder if this might point to that. I have been getting closer to finding this with time though. I do have goals that others have not believed in, but inside I have kept them in sight and keep working on them.
Maybe like the above post from AlRhino, it could help me professionally as well and similiarly?
I looked up a friends Icarus, who is VERY reluctant to be in a long term relationship, and it was conjunct his Venus by the same degree in his 4th house. It is also conjunct his Eros by two degrees. The fleeing aspect seems so fitting. He flees and fights love and home, even though he seems to crave them.
Bridget Marie
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Post by Kim Falconer on Jan 14, 2005 1:02:34 GMT
Hi Marie,
Those are interesting comments about Icarus and your career, and your friend with the “freedom vs closeness” dilemma.
I think Icarus can eventually bring inspiration if we find a way to set it free. Otherwise, he is like a wild bird caged.
Kim
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Post by chrissymgreen on Feb 2, 2005 16:50:27 GMT
hey all,
i just now noticed this thread, and i checked and found i have a venus-icarus conjunction in aquarius with a 2° orb in the 5th house.
treehouse mountain's description fits me to a t! especially the desire to "get outta here" in relationships. i have other things that balance this, but i definitely feel that way from time to time.
nice thread!
sincerely,
chrissy
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Post by Kim Falconer on Feb 3, 2005 0:18:13 GMT
Aquarius has commensurate qualities to Icarus yet it is good to confirm that 2 degree orb is applicable. Transits to Venus would definitely light up Icarus as well! Kim |
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