Asteroid Anteros

Hello BB,

I think Astrodeinst provide a wonderful and comprehensive service, though they allow very small orbs and perhaps limited aspects for asteroids. That is where you will find a discrepancy.

I use them for plotting positions (the Swiss Ephemeris is highly accurate) but I work out aspects myself. I allow wider orbs and more angles than their system does.

Hi Chrissymgreen,

That is an interesting way of finding aspects. Complex, but interesting.

I leaned decades ago to simply look for the angular relationships…after a while, they jump out at you though it does take practice and you need to count the degree distance between each body to make sure you haven’t missed a quintile or a bi-decile!

Thanks for your method though. I am sure it works well for some, though you still have to count the degree distances, regardless of whether you start at their zodiac position or 0 Aries.

Anteros is an interesting god. He was Eros’ brother, created as a companion for Eros “when he was growing up.” This is the later version of the myth as Eros, according to Hesiod, is first born, and actually preceded Venus/Aphrodite.

The story linked strongly to Anteros as “love avenged or love answered” is that of
the Athenian Meles and Timagoras. Timagoras loved Meles, but Meles was flippant, aloof. He bade Timagoras ascend to the highest point of a rock and cast himself down, to prove his love. Timagoras, who was ready to gratify his beloved friend in any of his requests, went and cast himself down. When Meles saw that Timagoras was dead, he suffered such remorse that he threw himself from the same rock and died. For this reason some people in Athens worshipped Anteros as the avenging spirit of Timagoras.

The point is, Anteros showed Meles where he was cold, unfeeling, blocked. He opened him up so suddenly, the only choice was to follow Timagoras in death.

The asteroid 1943 Anteros is love answered or love revenged. It can be an answer to love’s longing, a place to finally meet.

It may indicate a “return of feelings” but not always in synch. In synastry, one may love the other more at time and visa versa. The love grows in waves the swell and ebb, not always at the same time.

It may also indicate a feeling of reunion. There could be a real crack of thunder and lightening bolts when you first meet someone who has Anteros strongly linked.

It certainly adds chemistry!

I think 10 degrees is wide for Anteros though even having planets in the same sign can add a feeling of activation. There is a commonality there, a mutual “knowing”. The closer the aspect, usually the sooner you feel the impact of each other.

Does this make sense?

Warmly,
Kim

Hi Chrissy

Why not check your “name” asteroids and see what comes up. Do you know what I mean? There may be a Chrissy or something sounding (check the K’s) like that, a Green, and whatever M stands for…look for his name or phonetic variations of it and see where those asteroids were placed in your natal chart and in Synastry. It’s really quite a surprise sometimes.

You could always look at the Asteroids that are highlighted each month by Eros. I have a brief on them in the Eros Guide. This month (Virgo) highlights Hopi and Apollo. Last month was Medusa and Zeus.

Remember everyone! If you plotted all the asteroids, the chart would be filled in with them! There is something (or hundreds of somethings) at every single degree in the 360 circle. Be selective. Study the asteroids that feel relevant. If it is a love relationship, look at the romantic asteroids…if it is creative, check the muses, and those relevant to the medium. Teachers, healers, astrologers, look at the asteroids symbolic to your trade. Otherwise, the sheer volume makes everything meaningless…like grains of sand on the beach.

And BB,

You can increase the orbs on Astrodeinst, but you will still miss out on asteroid contacts. I think it is good practice to search for and find the aspects by hand.

Warmly,
Kim

Those are some interesting contacts!

I don’t have time to discuss them all, but we can start by having a look at the first one you mention, your Eros conjunct his Anteros/Sun conjunction.

The first thing you have to understand when looking at Synastry contacts of any kind is that “People are like PERMANENT transits.” Whatever contacts there are, it is like having that transit ALL the time you are around each other (and when I say “around” I mean “relating” even if that entails a great distance. It’s the relating that counts.

So, right away you see that having your Eros on his Sun/Anteros conjunction is like having a TRANSIT to his Sun/Anteros from Eros all the time. And for you it is like having Sun/Anteros transiting your Eros, ALL the time. Can you see how this works.

The houses and signs these planets fall in will STIMULATE that area of each other’s chart. Attention is drawn there and whatever personal issues, longings, goals or opportunities that are brewing there at the time will heat up because you are around each other. That is how the synastry contacts work.

Now, look at your Eros. There it is in Taurus, very sensual, earthy and oriented towards pleasure that leads to transformation.

Anteros there, as “love returned,” or love reflected, may make you doubly aware of your own sense of Erotic energy and how you want to express it. There is no guarantee that he is going to “answer” you Eros all the time, though being around him will certainly ignite your awareness.

Because his Sun is a more potent energy, (and Anteros in combust the Sun—within 10 degrees), I suspect you would feel that contact first though the Anteros may add a feeling of “reunion” to you connection. You may sense you have “been there before”.

Here is an excerpt from my Eros book on the synastry contact between Sun and Eros:

Eros in Synastry Aspect with the Sun
Love is like the sun: it has its inner energy source that shines on you.
-- Helene Lagerberg
When Eros and the Sun meet in the synastry, sparks can fly and egos ignite. There is a sense of competitiveness, ambition and demand that may or may not sit well with the merging attributed of the god of love. The Sun wants to define itself as a unique and singular individual; Eros wants to define itself through merging and union with another.

Sometimes the contact between the Sun and Eros in two separate charts can help one or both individuals become more conscious of their potent erotic side. It may put the spotlight on intimacy making it an important part of the mutual rapport.

Conversely, Sun/Eros contacts can make the individuals split into a dynamic of yeah and neigh. One person may want very much to experience Eros and the merging of energy it implies. The other may find this invasive and pull further and further back into a defense of distinction, autonomy and rational clarity.

The squares, conjunctions, oppositions and inconjuncts tend to reflect more disparity between the individuals where the trines and sextiles can be more likely to indicate affinity and merging. Either way, the relationship is bound to have some sense of competitiveness. This may be highly creative, especially if the couple is willing to use the inherent stimulus to find clarity and distinction in all their creative pursuits together.

The sign, aspects and house position of each person’s Sun and Eros need consideration before coming to any conclusions about this contact. If one person’s Sun is conjunct Saturn and the other persons Eros is opposite Pluto, the contact will be quite different than if the Sun was conjunct Jupiter and Eros opposite Venus. This is not to say it would be better. It would simply be different.

When Eros touches the Sun, the energy of both the Sun and Eros awaken between the two people involved and they will want to expend this abundant energy in some way. Joint creative projects and mutual activities are possible and lacking those, the couple may clash or simply find they have little energy for each other. The Sun tends to do nothing by halves and, when stimulated, needs somewhere to shine. If the stage is big enough, Sun/Eros may shine in unison although probably not without mutual effort, goals and a sense of integrity.

How do you feel his Anteros/Sun awakens your Eros in Taurus? What kind of relationship is it? Do you feel there are ways for these energies to express freely in both of you?

Thanks for the question.

Warmly,
Kim

Hello Mira!

Anything that touches off your Asc/Eros/Ne is going to swirl you into that fog of dreamy, erotic, mystical longings...and he certainly does that.

How do you even think straight around him! The energy must sparkle visibly!

You also activate his 12th house Sun/Uranus and the 3rd house Psyche...the contradictions of which might set him off to dream land one minute and then find him very "busy" in his own thoughts and goals and directions the next!

I have no doubt you are tuned into each other and both of you "notice" it at least on an undercurrent level. What you do with that energy and potential connection remains to be seen. without a directional force, like Mars for instance, the 12th house/Neptune components might just be content with the "dreamy dimension".

Does anyone else have an Eros/Neptune natal aspect? What happens when it is set off by synastry?

Thanks for your example.
Warmly,
Kim

Mira, I think all those contacts you mention are quite compelling. (and I think it sounds like you are in love)

His Mars opposite that Ascendant combo is probably the strongest thing you feel, at least initially.

What kind of relationship is this?

How did you meet?

;)Kim

Kim
Hi Nina (yes, I was referring to you specifically--I got the names mixed up!)

Perhaps you could both take the time to join up--as the forum grows, posting will be limited to members in the future.

Now, as for your synastry. What I meant before (in the "Mira" post) was that his Mars opposite that Ascendant combo is probably the strongest thing you feel, at least initially. You certainly describe it as such...especially the Neptune component.

Throw Anteros in and I think you have "More" energy bouncing around than your Ascendant combo can process! It's not so much that the Anteros contacts, which awaken his Moon and your Sun aspects, are "stressful". I think they wake things up in a way that can be confronting and maybe also quite stimulating and "growth-full". It's just that Asc/Er/Ne is extreme sensitivity (is yours in Scorpio too?) that any ADDED stimulation starts to feel like "too much" and that can makes for tension.

Anteros is "a place to meet" and activating his Moon/Eros says you meet in the depths of his feeling world. This may be very comforting to him, when he feels on "even keel" and full of tension when he does not.

For you, his Anteros wakes up your Su/Ch/SN and that can mean you "meet" or he "answers you" in a way that reminds you of your mission in life and if you are "on the path" or not. When you are on, it's great being around him because he "sees" that...when you feel wounded there or falling behind or just inadequate, it feels like he sees that too and boy you want to hide!

So it's not Anteros that makes it tense so much as the extreme vulnerability you feel around this person.

Does that make sense?

Warmly,
Kim