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Post by neptunewoman on May 8, 2005 2:49:31 GMT
Okay...let's see if I can make this clear. My asteros is 20 degrees Scorpio...and his is 12 degrees Scorpio. So between the Asteros there is 8 degrees. I included all the planets because it seemed like they would act like a stellium. My Eros(14 deg), Venus(18 deg), Neptune(14 deg), and Adonis(17 deg) would be a tight conjunct on his Psyche(14 deg). My Psyche(8deg) and his Juno(7 deg). My Moon(0 deg.) and his Ceres(28 deg. Libra). Once again I thought the asteroids being so close would act like a stellium.
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Post by svenskasfinx on May 8, 2005 7:20:36 GMT
Hello! Don't worry! I think you are correct, it will act like a stelium, and there will be "bridges"made.. its just possibly hard to pick out the individual influences because it is so "mixed up".. Its like the singing of a choir.. its very hard to pick out just one "voice" in all of that singing .. Maybe Kim will get back to this one.. take care, svenskasfinx
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Post by Kim Falconer on May 10, 2005 1:15:04 GMT
Hi Neptunewoman,
Yes, I feel there is a kind of Stellium effect going on here but I suspect that some of these asteroids are going to "sing louder" in the choir than others. You won't respond to them all the same!
You said:
My Anteros is 20 degrees Scorpio...and his is 12 degrees Scorpio. So between the Anteros there is 8 degrees. I included all the planets because it seemed like they would act like a stellium. My Eros(14 deg), Venus(18 deg), Neptune(14 deg), and Adonis(17 deg) would be a tight conjunct on his Psyche(14 deg).
I suspect your Anteros at 20 Scorpio would resinate most strongly with your natal Venus, two degrees away. Your Eros/Neptune exact is extremely potent and the exact synastry conjunction to his Psyche would be so "loud" that I think it renders Anteros nearly speechless. Adonis too.
Being around your (for him) is like having Neptune/Eros transiting his Psyche ALL the time. Your Venus makes it very personal, especially for you, though the significance for him is a kind of intuitive "knowing" of your most profound spiritual desires, even if you don't know them yourself. I am guessing he would be an incredible support, just naturally, of your creative drives and your passion (unless there are strong synastry contacts that challenge this).
For you, being around him is like having Psyche transiting your Eros/Neptune ALL the time. You can't shelve your creative desires, your divine longings or your sense of the numinous when you are with him. Unconsciously, he won't let you forget (if that makes sense).
Anteros has an energetic influence though I suspect it is muffled by the voice of Eros/Neptune/Psyche (Have I read this correctly?) Your Venus means it erupts though relationship (what house again?) and the cloak of Scorpio brings a kind of urgent demand to fulfil whatever it is that awakens.
Remember, The asteroid 1943 Anteros is love answered or love revenged. It can be an answer to love’s longing, a place to finally meet. Add this to your Er/Ne con Psy and I think Anteros might bring to conscious awareness what otherwise would remain buried. You’d feel it, but perhaps not make the connection. With BOTH of your asteroids Anteros awakened, something is DEMONSTRATED about this stellium—just like Timagoras demonstrated his love for Meles—even with tragic results.
Let me know if this makes sense.
Warmly, Kim
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Post by neptunewoman on May 10, 2005 17:15:43 GMT
Kim, this makes so much sense and I must say you are right on target!!! Because the links happen in my 7th and his 12th I think I am not as undercover about the expression of the energies as he is.
On other question, what does Eros do to the energy of Neptune in a conjunction? I understand how my Venus/Neptune conjunction works but I am a little fuzzy on how to interpret Eros Neptune.
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Post by neptunewoman on May 10, 2005 17:31:24 GMT
I think I found the answer to what I was asking...Eros/Neptune...search for the divine union throught the erotic...and this can be constant.
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Post by Kim Falconer on May 11, 2005 0:04:17 GMT
Neptune and the sign of Pisces, and the 12th house are deeply convoluted images and worth a lengthy discussion. Here is an excerpt from my Eros Book:
Eros in Aspect to Neptune
Everything that deceives also enchants. --Plato
The astrological Neptune portrays a myriad of meanings from the dreamy depths of the watery unconscious, the longings of spiritual aspirations, the obsession of powerful desires to the revelation of the divine beloved. Some say it is where we seek the ineffable, or where, conversely, the ineffable seeks us.
This planet also symbolizes a place of confusion and deception because Neptune is sometimes too intangible for the mundane world to decipher. Certainly, its complex meaning defies summing up in a list of key words.
"Any attempt to understand Neptune necessitates travelling down indirect waterways. No sphere of human endeavor is devoid of the longing for redemption, and we must therefore be prepared to explore not only individual psychology but myth, politics, religion, fashion, and the arts as well. Astrological literature tends�to be curiously limited in its descriptions of Neptune�even though the enormous edifice of psychoanalytic writing on hysteria, separation anxiety, idealization, and addiction are usually mentioned, as are the themes of karmic obligation and renunciation. But these terms are insufficient if we are to offer any genuine insight to the client, the patient or ourselves.� --Liz Greene
A deeper understanding of Neptune comes from a personal taste of despair that goes with a separation from the god. Many paths, including alcohol, addictions, obsessions, desire, love, devotion, creativity, manipulation, dreams, fantasy, madness and dissolving boundaries, are followed in the search for the illusive redeemer. All these things and more swirl around the archetype of Neptune yet still, like any other planet, like any other god, we can ask the three basic questions. What does our Neptune want, need and have to offer?
Eros and Poseidon
In mythology, Neptune, or Poseidon to the Greeks, wanted first his own realm. He was said to be second in power only to Zeus and was granted, after being freed from Kronos�s stomach, sovereignty over the seas, subterranean earth (but not the underworld of Hades) and the equine.
I begin to sing about Poseidon, the great god, mover of the earth and fruitless sea, god of the deep who is also lord of Helicon and wide Aegae. A two-fold office the gods allotted you, O Shaker of the Earth, to be a tamer of horses and a savior of ships!� --Homer
Another object of Neptune�s mythological desire was woman. Women, Nymphs, goddesses, harpies, feminine rivers and stream all held a great fascination for the �Shaker of the Earth� and the list of his mistresses and offspring attest to his appetite for union. He laid with over 110 females, from Demeter who tried to flee him in the form of a horse, (wrong choice for a horse master), to Medusa, who suffered violently forever after. He had close to two hundred offspring ranging from the winged Pegasus by Medusa to the twin children of Demeter, Arion, a magnificent steed and Desponia the fair mistress who�s real name can not be divulged to the non-indoctrinated.
When Demeter was wandering in search of her daughter, she was followed, it is said, by Poseidon, who lusted after her. So she turned, the story runs, into a mare, and grazed with the mares of Oncius; realizing that he was outwitted, Poseidon too changed into a stallion and enjoyed Demeter. [8.25.6] At first, they say, Demeter was angry at what had happened, but later on she laid aside her wrath and wished to bathe in the Ladon. Demeter, they say, had by Poseidon a daughter, whose name they are not to divulge to the uninitiated, and a horse called Areion. For this reason they say that they were the first Arcadians to call Poseidon Horse. --Pausanias
The association of Poseidon with horses is not incidental. The domestication of the horse in ancient times lead to the development of civilization as we know it. Distances were traversed, food hunted, fields plowed and wars won all because of the new symbiosis with equus caballus.
In an intangible way, the horse represents the taming of humankind's wild and barbarian nature and the ability to journey to realms previously out of reach. Neptune symbolizes the mystical travel between unseen boundaries, the acquisition of knowledge, nurturing or substance from those distant realms and also the conflicts or wars that are won and lost at the expense of such a journey. In this context, one of the things Neptune has to offer is the horsepower to travel to unknown realms. Also it seems to be something he very much desires.
Neptune used to get into quite a few disputes over territory. He wanted more and he was not shy about going after it. Most of the time, he lost out on gaining the land he so desired, but the realm of the sea, the rivers and the streams remained undisputedly his.
It seems that one of Neptune's greatest longings is for union, preferably divine. Although he was married to Amphitrite, a Nereid, granddaughter of Oceanus, he still sought, wooed and sometimes raped innumerous others females. It is no wonder that the astrological Neptune speaks of longings and merging and union with the divine. Much of those Neptunian longings can be played out in the field of romantic love, especially if Eros is involved.
When Eros is linked to Neptune by an aspect of any kind, erotic love and transformation can mingle with the everlasting search for the divine. In the grasp of a romantic love spell, Neptune sees not a human counterpart but a glorious god or goddess and all may be sacrificed on the altar of their immortal souls. It becomes very unsatisfactory, however, when the gig is up and we find so much was given to a mortal human being, no more and no less. Idealization and fierce disappointment run hand in hand with this Eros/Neptune scenario.
The mythological Neptune also experienced ongoing loss as he attempted to secure more territory and was denied, or offered a boon to a mortal, such as King Midas, and was deceived. Anger and retribution were no strangers to the god, nor was the bitter sense of deprivation.
At one point Neptune solicited the aid of Aphrodite to enact revenge on King Minos whose greed had stopped him from sacrificing a prize bull to the god as an exchange for years of fair weather. Aphrodite obliged by causing Mino�s wife to fall madly in love with the bull. The result of the consummated love was the horrid Minotaur who raged in the bowels of a labyrinth, devouring young and virginal human flesh.
The astrological Neptune can stand for a time of loss and bitter resentment and, when it is associated with Eros, the seas of erotic love get a little choppier. When a union breaks down, and separation occurs, we may feel abandoned by the god. This is a suffering that no liniment can ease, as Julian James expressed in his book, The Origins of Consciousness in the Breakdown of the Bicameral Mind.
"My god has forsaken me and disappeared, My goddess has failed me and keeps at a distance. The good angel who walked beside me has departed.�
The union with the other may turn into a reunion with the god, and the loss of that merging can lead to inconsolable grief or outrage. Many of Neptune�s offspring were monsters, and his seduction/rape of Medusa turned her into a bitter affront of twisting vipers, hideous stare and eyes that brought frozen death to any that glimpsed her. A dally with Neptune did not always turn out to be festive.
It is also true that Neptune had, beneath the seas, a palace of gold. Its beauty was unmatched in all the world. Sometimes a link between Eros and Neptune can take us down into the glorious depths of that mystical kingdom and bring back some of its magic into the daily life. An aspect between Eros and Neptune can also suggest the traversing of boundaries that only the horse master can arrange. A strong link can bring an erotic union that not only transforms the soul but the spirit as well.
Neptune, as a god, was very good at changing shape, yet he did not always covet the gift. He is known, on occasion, to share this ability to alter form and in the process he may alter our perception of reality and view of the world. With Eros in any aspect to Neptune, this kind of shift is possible through the medium of the erotic.
The only thing Neptune in aspect to Eros requires is a sacrifice in exchange for the boundless vista of the divine. Sometimes the required atonement, like what was asked of Medusa, can seem too high a price to pay. Other times, it may be worth its weight in Neptunian gold.
Does this start to resonate?
Warmly, Kim
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Post by neptunewoman on May 11, 2005 18:57:20 GMT
I hear you loud and clear!!! I hear you so lucidly it moves me to tears... The manner in which you responded was so in depth and so needed...and it did resonate in the very heart of my heart...I understand better than ever what can happen when Eros and Neptune join forces. Thank you Kim!
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Post by Kim Falconer on May 12, 2005 0:03:42 GMT
You are very welcome. That's from my Eros book---you remind me that I mustn't give up on getting it published! Warm appreciation, Kim
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Post by neptunewoman on May 16, 2005 0:54:15 GMT
Please do not give up on getting it published...and please let us know when it is available...I am definitely going to support you and buy several copies...much love to you Kim always!!!
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