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Post by chrissymgreen on Mar 24, 2006 19:20:12 GMT
dear primamateria, here is my natal, im sure i have posted it in another thread or threads, but here it is again since i cant remember where it would be, just so you dont have to go find it: you're close, my natal chiron is at 9 aries, conjunct my mercury at 11 aries, both conjunct my descendant at 12 aries. you're right about tr NN on my natal chiron! it's separating now, though. tr NN will hit my late degree pisces sun later this year or maybe early next, not sure. does your sister feel as if she is experiencing fresh wounds at this time in her life? lots of heavy stuff? i feel that way, the pain finds new ways to surprise me on a regular basis. i dont know, though...it does seem as if im going through a lot of heavy astrological stuff, with tr pl on my t-square, tr neptune on my venus-saturn square, and all those chiron arcs. plus tr nn just passing my natal descendant, hitting natal mercury 1st and then my chiron. and then another major arc i experiencing last year was neptune=NN, which could mean the possible breakdown of relationship. though i identify with you too, nothing new has really happened in my life since around a year ago. it's just the situation, i guess, that breakup i experienced last year is still with me even though im trying to get past it, been trying really hard. i think it's because the feelings were way too intense -- his sun/mercury/eros/NN fell exactly conjunct my pluto, his SN was right on my sun, and my moon squared both his sun/mercury/eros/nodes by 1° for starters. i sometimes wonder if there was a PL family tie, because the pain is a little too much. i feel attached in that kind of a devastated-by-a-family-member's-desertion-or-death kind of way. so i guess it's not really fresh wounds, it's just the pain of letting go which neptune conjunct my venus is teaching me. plus pluto on moon square n. pluto & sun, deepening my emotions and transforming me on many levels. this is what happened in a nutshell: i met a guy in 2003 who i began to date. his name was gordon and we were GREAT friends as well as lovers -- we shared so much in common, including a standoffish nature not easily inclined to romance (we both have uranus-AC conjunctions, i have venus in aquarius and he has venus conjunct uranus). we also both have neurological issues that probably contribute to natural shyness around people, i have tourette's syndrome and he has battled with agoraphobia, asperger's syndrome, OCD, the like for much of his life. well, last year he had a major setback and very abruptly ended our association. we were REALLY close, like twins but not (my chart ruler venus exactly conjunct the antiscion of his 7th ruler venus, perhaps) and this was VERY shocking to me and i cannot believe how hard it has been to move past this. i struggle every day. i can't really say much else about it, because everything i feel is pretty deep and painful, and it IS hard. it has been through this experience i am learning the meaning of alan leo's quote, however, "Neptune allows the soul to leave the body" -- i think this must be important for me in some way. i dont know why, but i have been faced with a situation that i have no control over whatsoever (well, i have no control over the ending of the relationship, i would have never chosen to end it, but i do have control over what i make of things now), a deeply painful one that will probably transform me beyond all measure when all is said and done. here is actually his natal, just for reference: anyway, im trying to learn and grow from this experience. as for the aspects, noel tyl does not make any distinction between square, conjunction, opp, quindecile, sesquiquad, or semisquare with solar arcs. he says they all could manifest, one way or another. i do have one link that might explain a little: www.starcats.com/anima/solar_arc.htmland: artcharts.com/catalog/samples/solar_arc_m_stewart.htmlooh, i wish i could write more but i am pressed for time...more on arcs soon! was wanting to post some more info from tyl's book along with a sample SA chart that we could all discuss & learn from. sincerely, chrissy
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Post by primamateria on Mar 24, 2006 23:56:47 GMT
Chrissy, I'm so glad we got talking about this because there is a lot we have in common and now that I've seen your chart I feel that I already know you! My sisters chart has many similarities, your birthdays are only days apart... libra asc, pisces sun, Pluto in 12th ... she's also suffered (albeit a very mild) neurological condition all her life( btw we have a brother with Aspergers). . She is feeling quite unloved and undervalued and feels that she is not able to communicate to anyone what is going on with her (which is partly physical as she shakes and stutters when under stress such as communicating with others, is able to manage this under many conditions) She has a lot of anger as well, to do with childhood events, which is surfacing lately - after a long period of quite harmoniously working, learning her music, having a relationship and raising her daughter. All of a sudden she is dissatisfied with everything. I don't know if she is feeling anything fresh, but she has quite a lot of old wounds to heal...her Chiron is in 7th. Anyway, have a look at her chart - you probably understand it better than I! (for ref: i23.photobucket.com/albums/b383/primamateria/SAMMYNATAL.gif Well, where to start? I am concerned about this idea that Neptune 'allows the soul to leave the body'... but will come back to that... your Situation and my Thing are on the surface of things quite similar (I say surface because I see that it also went really deep for you, and these things are never 'the same') - lots of synastry contacts etc.. one difference with me and Thing is that while we were friends in childhood our adult thing was anything but that. He was a Scorpio with Sun and Neptune conj on his MC - which in synastry contacted my Neptune and Fortuna in my sixth house... Ooh with all the eros and psyche contacts, and Chiron - it was like being a sex therapist lol. I can laugh now!?! Anyway, the neptune contact was very very powerful, combined with the Pluto/jupiter/sn/uranus contacts was terribly compulsive, invaded my dreams, and left me feeling so utterly lonely and hopeless at times (and this was before I decided enough was enough) and all along I knew it wasn't for a lasting relationship that this was all happening. Anyway, it started me looking at Neptune, the 'wounded puer' (i.e. Christ) archetype and really (this is a man who has been dead three times - car accidents, and is very beautiful) recognised how deeply this all went with me. (but not for him!) The real lesson I walked away with was that I needed a strong container for my soul, to keep hold of my own essence and not let it be invaded or dissolved - I've felt so empty in the past, particularly when I'd spent time around certain persons, afterwards I felt like I'd had the life sucked out of me. Conversely, some people 'inflated' me and made me feel so full, that being around them was like a drug. So the idea was not to 'let my soul out' but to contain it, to plug the leaks and not to 'worship at springs' in order to fill up from anything or anyone. I make my own essence! Having grown up around psychics and religious nuts (apologies to any religious nuts around here there is a lot of psychic phenomena which both scares the hell out of me (no pun intended) and which I recognise as 'debris' which in many cases is manipulated by the person who is 'using their intuition'. What I mean is that if a person is 'allowing their soul to leave their body' and are operating from a place outside their body (and its usually just outside their body in the ethers) then they can pick up a lot of garbage, random thoughts and projections, among other things. I strongly feel that the soul is meant to stay in the body, and that it strengthens the body and that each of us must 'create' (or evolve) our soul by containing it and processing it in the alembic of the body (incidentally my Alchemy teachers both had strong Neptunes). Sometimes, too, we think we have 'boundaries' but we really don't. I had to let go of my rock hard pride that I'd substituted for so long.... Sorry to sermonise! I read recently that a gothic church is built to symbolise the (human) body of Christ - literally in the shape of a man - but with astrological and other mystical symbology! The entry to the church is always through the 'feet' of the building - the Pisces. As I told my sister recently - be aware that you have 'gateway' potential. Oh Ok I have gone way off track - but how are your feet? Gordon's Venus-Uranus...Thing had it too...I think it was Amoroso who told me way back last year when I was stressing about Thing that I should expect that he won't be around for long. Moon in Gemini in 7 opp Neptune... needing to be saved or to be a saviour..... I think we should vet all men astrologically before giving them our hearts. thanks for the links... I'm going to go and read them now. back later, pm
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Post by primamateria on Mar 24, 2006 23:58:56 GMT
ps Asbergers makes it very very difficult for a person to have a relationship - so whatever happened Chrissy, without blaming anyone, it wasn't your fault.
peace, pm
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Post by lunariviera on Mar 25, 2006 8:51:56 GMT
For starters, Happy belated Birthday Chrissy!!! Since I'm so wet behind the ears in regards to Solar Arcs...what would you make of the fact my natal Venus at 13 Cancer 42 is in opposition to my solar arc Neptune at 13 Capricorn 44?!...I take it that it just reached "maturity" and is in the process of separating?!... Also, my upcoming solar return (July 16) asc. is 11 Cap. 49 and my current solar arc Vertex is 11 Cap. 4 (it will be 11 Cap. 21 on the day of my solar return)...is this at all significant in regards to the coming "year"?! On a sidenote, I believe jade mentioned in the solar eclipse thread that my solar arc Saturn will be at 6 Libra 22 on March 29 opposing the eclipse point...that leaves me wondering what the possible manifestion of such a potent eclipse could mean when it's in hard aspect to a solar arc point?!... Sorry for bombarding you with questions, but with my newfound interest in solar arcs (thanks to this fantastic thread), I'm left with more questions than answers... *I need to get myself to the library to check out books on this subject*
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Post by chrissy at dads house on Mar 25, 2006 19:12:24 GMT
dear prima,
oh, i agree about neptune absolutely!
you know, its funny that you mention people who suck you dry...gordon and i used to call these kinds of people energy vampires. incidentally, he never sucked me dry, he did the exact opposite like you described (so beautifully!), he filled me with peace, calm, excitement, joy. he made my soul feel a thousand times bigger. but anyway, yes, some people do the exact opposite. they suck the life out of you. i always thought gordon never did this to me because like me, he has strong uranus conjunct the ac - he understood my need for space, he never encroached on me. we could spend the time we did spend together and have a wonderful, happy time (the joy between us was palpable, we created a space together that for lack of a better word was like heaven, and like you im not a religious nut so i use that term loosely). but anyway, i digress again.
the thing that i believe neptune is doing for me now is allowing me to leave my well, desires behind. its almost a zen like experience. i guess i wouldnt describe it as literally as leo did, but i would use his quote and apply it to my life in a symbolic fashion, i would say that is what is happening in my life now. i dont think its all that uncommon with a strong neptune transit, esp to a natal venus in the 5th, to meet a lover/friend who embodies everything you ever wanted and them bammo, they disappear. thats what neptune is good at, dossolving boundaries and reality. anyway, i feel like ive been cornered because i have no choice but to deal with the fact that gordon is ill, and like it or not, this is a factor to contend with. i feel like this is a crucial lesson for me, perhaps due to all my power/control issues i face with a tight sun-moon-pluto tsquare?
i havent had a chance to look at your sis's chart yet, but i DO feel i know her! i can tell already, we must share some common traits. my heart fgoes out to her, neuro issues are tough. i stuttered when i was young too. and then later on, when i was a young teen, that was when i developed my nervous ticcing as i called it then, wasnt diagnosed with tourettes until i was 16. though i dont necessarily feel unloved (i do have lots of love in my life save for the one obvious love i miss deeply), but i often feel restricted from expressing inner emotions which sounds like her. with my natal moon conjunct the sun pluto midpoint, i often SEVERELY repress what i am going through, i gloss over it and never let myself lose it. maybe thats why i am having this experience with the situation?
i will totally check out her chart monday though, i am at my dads now and i just HAD to respond to your wonderful post!
and luna, i will definitely check out your arc pictures and get back to you on monday. will you send me the pdf file from astro.com, the one marked natal, progressed, and solar arc combined so i can take a look at it? address is:
green.chrissy@gmail.com
ill do the same for you, pick out some current arc themes and we can see what they mean and if they fit your life.
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Post by primamateria on Mar 26, 2006 0:49:38 GMT
Hi Chrissy, Today I have tSun conj nChiron so forgive me if I am not myself, or come across as wounded or even 'wounding'!? I suppose this fits with my Solar Arcs doesn't it?? Actually, as I said before, I feel like I'm finally healing, although not healed. But my tenth house is sure getting a workout this week. It looks like you've really worked through The Situation and have come through it better for it, even though there's some residual pain. I think I understand what you're saying about your experience of Neptune and letting go of desires...Do you know Tarot? The Hanged Man, also known as the Surrendered One is the Neptune card. In my deck (the Mythic Tarot) this card has Prometheus depicted as tied upside down to a rock as his liver is being pecked out (sorry ) looking very Christ like with his arms stretched out to the side...there is definitely something of Christ consciousness in this card - the sacrifice and surrender of something valuable for greater, spiritual gain.. (it also ties in with Chiron, the wounded Puer archetype etc). The upside down position is said to teach us that the head, or rational mind, is no longer ruling... its dark night of the soul, test of faith time - and the key is surrender, of not struggling against it or striving towards some goal. So in the case of like these Neptune transits, maybe the only thing to do is to sit there and just cry and give in to it all. with all that Pluto activity going on for you it can't be the best time for you, then again it couldn't be more perfect! Sometimes the best use of our power is in the choice we make toward saving ourselves, when backed into a corner as you feel you've been. It can be a burden to always be 'good' and 'spiritual' to the detriment of Self... we have bad bits, sometimes these are the most powerful. I think it was Jung that said that whatever we refuse to own about ourselves will show up in our lives as Fate. So it was my old 'leaky' Thing, who needed me so badly to get what he needed, but gave nothing in return showed me, a perfect mirror, what I needed to see about myself - all my woundedness and brattishness and holes and prejudices. Again, the man I married (haven't got a term for him that is acceptable in public! ;D) is a great source of information for me - every one of those buttons he pushes is a key to self-discovery and growth. Oh, just because I'm grateful to him for 'teaching me' so much (like he even knows!) doesn't mean I like him. But I digress. RElationships like your Situation and my Thing are really tremendous gifts - our souls surely know what will come of it, even if our conscious selves don't. Have you tried writing down everything about The Situation, about what hurt, why it hurt, what makes you angry etc, and just letting it all out - then burning it in the kitchen sink? It works! Your sun on my NN - I wonder what that means? Well, this is all bringing my 'soul's purpose' into the light! I'm trying to find a place to train as a counsellor - but soul-based therapy or holistic counselling... its all so very very expensive, and so far I haven't found any place near where I live. In truth, I don't need qualifications to set up business as a counsellor, but its better to have the initials after my name. I have a small grant from the government towards study, and I'm using it to take a course which will allow me to run workshops. If there are any solar arcs in my near future that will bring wishes fulfilled or a windfall - let me know!! I look forward to hearing what you think of my sister's chart something to think about - refers to the work of alchemy - which is evolution of the Self - body, soul and spirit together... "opus nostrum per veram imaginationem et nun phantastica" ... our work is done with true imagination and not with fantasy... Pluto is good for sorting through the debris (fantasy) from truth (imagination)... having said that, occasionally there is gold in the debris, and the fantasy shows us what the false self would have us want - i.e desire in its basest form. light, pm
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Post by chrissymgreen on Mar 27, 2006 18:22:46 GMT
dear prima,
ooh, one of the first things i noticed about your sis's chart is that she has an aries point ascendant -- her AC is 0° libra! noel tyl also has an aries point ascendant, he has his AC at 0° cancer.
this is a pretty important thing about her chart, this suggests an intense need to relate and and interact with others in a socially significant way. in her relationships, she has the need to BE, and to express herself...in her career/destiny, she has an intense need to feel what she is doing suits her or is right, and in her domestic life she has a great need to produce.
she has her node at 23 aqua just like me, though hers is in the 6th. also, she's also got a planet-nn conjunction like me (i have venus-nn in the 5th, she has mercury-nn in the 6th) which indicates she's worked on her nn lessons in PLs and now needs to focus on integrating her SN with the NN so she can achieve some sort of balance. she comes from a PL where her service brought her an expanded awareness of her self-worth, but also caused some nebulousness (SN ruler sun in 6th square to both jup/nep in 2nd). im not that great at this, but one place that has tons of info that i love is maurice fernandez' evolutionary astrology website. he has tapes on the nodes, i love his ideas. he's very good.
her 12th pluto is right on the AC! she prolly functions a lot like a 1st house pluto, has lots of self-control issues and is very guarded (sounds like me with moon on the sun pluto midpoint). she cant express herself easily, she needs to learn how to own her power so that she can understand and value her self-worth.
she also has a 2nd house jup-nep conjunction in sag like me, since we were born less than a month apart...also, her pisces sun is a 6th house sun like mine. and, she has saturn in the 8th like me as well. ooh! and her mars is a 3rd house mars like mine. (since mars rules her 7th, as does mine, a 3rd house mars seems to represent being attracted to mercurial types, communicative types, one definitely needs communication in relationship.)
i noticed she has vertex right on the descendant! i think noel tyl has a fab article on people with vtx strongly configured. it has a compulsive quality, he says. ill look for that article.
she's a very creative type too, especially in the way she produces as it relates to her domestic life...this may have something to do with where she came from (SN ruler sun in 6th quintile 4th ruler saturn in 8th). her style is very self-controlled.
am i off base here at all? i dont have the time to really take long with this, and im not sure if
anyways, wow, how is that sun on your chiron treating you? i cant remember, are you having any arcs to natal chiron? that seems as if it would act as a trigger and probably be important to the developmental process!
and wow, all i can say is wow, to the tarot card you described. i know of tarot, but im not that schooled in it or anything. how you described the hanged man card is PERFECT! youre right, relationships such as what youve experienced and what ive experienced are gifts, no doubt about that, even if things dont work out the way we envision them.
you said some interesting things that started me thinking, esp about the synthesis of experiencing neptune on venus, pluto on moon sq n, pluto & n. sun. something about all of this is leading me to listen to my own emotional (n. moon) truth (tr pluto) about all the confusion ive recently experienced in my relationships (neptune). i have to listen to my true self!
i havent really tried writing about the situation. but, ive been thinking about creating a piece on it. ive had a few ideas...i may share some of that with you through email perhaps, if you dont mind. once i come up with something. i havent been working on any art much lately. need to get back into it.
and hey, luna, hope you got my email. i havent yet gotten to copying and pasting a response for you on your SAs, but i will do so in a separate reply.
chrissy
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Post by primamateria on Mar 28, 2006 9:57:49 GMT
Chrissy! sorry I took ages to get back on here and respond - tuesday is a busy day for me - Uni and all sorts going on. Yes you are spot on with your descriptions of my sister - that aries point in her chart is pretty powerful, and I do think that her relationships, and her sexuality also, are very much the point of her whole existence - who she is with her partner is very crucial to her identity. Which is why it just kills her when she can't relate to others or communicate. I have been trying to encourage her to use that mars energy to overcome her communication challenges... like she did when she was a teenager - joining a martial arts club transformed her life. But come to think of it perhaps some more creativity would help too. Well, I have faith that she can do what needs to be done, and try not to be a big sister too much. thanks for giving me that feedback on her chart - I did her a delineation of natal and solar return charts for her birthday just recently... her sr chart is amazing too - O deg aries ASC, North Node rising and O deg Capricorn MC. Wow. I think its a great idea to work The Situation into something creative - I did the same with Thing - poetry, drawing and collage, many times - and so glad I did it. Please feel free to email me with any thoughts - I'd love to help and bounce ideas or whatever you see is needed. (you still have my email from when I sent you the pdf?) oh, I looked back to the earlier posts on my Solar Arc thingies (doh! expert astrologer here! ) and have sun=chiron... so yes this is a trigger transit! Triple whammy as the NN is on my Chiron too, as is this eclipse. With that NN there I know I don't need to worry. I spent all day sunday researching training organisations to do a diploma/certificate course in 'holistic counselling' and sent a whole heap of emails enquiring, including to funding organisations about grants (its soooo expensive)... then I stopped and wondered if I am only in this frame of mind because of all the sun/chiron/nn activity??? Woah (love that word - so keanu ). Self doubt city - talk about South Node taking over. oops I posted this before I finished! anyway... another sun/chiron/nn moment this evening while I was 'space clearing' which is my neptune-in-sixth term for housework ;D (I was sweeping outside)... making space 'for a miracle' - when I suddenly had a thought - that all this time I have taken the phrase 'as within, so without' to mean that all my outer problems were manifestations of my inner problems - in other words that I was making all my difficulties and blockages happen because there's 'something wrong with me'. What was happening was that the universe was confirming, mirroring back to me, everything I was thinking... so I was actually creating problems for myself, through my belief that I'm innately 'messed up'. It was a breakthrough moment because I suddenly realised and decided that - I'm not messed up!! Does that make sense? anyway... Pluto is really transiting right there on your moon in the third isn't he? Do you have a good relationship with your mother? Perhaps you are having to learn something about self-nurturing?? Let me know if I am crossing the line here! Do you have any SA directions involving Saturn at the moment? blessings, pm
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Post by chrissymgreen on Mar 28, 2006 15:12:43 GMT
dear prima,
my goal is to copy and paste luna's reply for others to read and then respond to you! so here goes:
Here is Lunariviera's list of arcs that are perfecting NOW:
(the equation is written with the Solar Arc planet or point 1st, then an equals sign which means "in hard aspect to", and then the natal planet or point being contacted. the aspect is not noted because Tyl doesn't make any distinction between the conjunction, opposition, square, sesquiquadrate, or semisquare, it is just important that the hard contact is there.)
Jupiter=Sun Mercury=Sun Venus=Moon Neptune=Venus Chiron=MC Jupiter=MC Mercury=MC Mercury=Saturn
That's A LOT! And, there are angular arcs which are very important as the angles are very sensitive. The angle involved is the midheaven (destiny, calling) -- no wonder you're at a crossroads, these themes are definitely represented in the SA chart! All of these arcs are going to be active for you for about 6 more months since they all either just perfected or are about to. Let's take a closer look at some of the arcs:
Jupiter=Sun: "Being rewarded, success, a great vacation"
Mercury=Sun: "Thinking about ego potentials, new ideas"
***Sun rules 1st & 2nd, 1st being self and 2nd being self-worth, this fits with what you were saying you're experiencing right now. You're doing a lot of thinking, and expansion in the area of self & self worth right now.
Venus=Moon: "Grace, good social reception, cooperation"
***Moon rules 12th, are you accepting all this self-introspection and quiet time with good grace? You don't really mind all these emotions you're having about purpose, soul path?
Neptune=Venus: "Potential delusion in love, feeling unrequited, creative outlets"
***This is a heavy hitting arc, and Venus rules your 4th & 11th houses. Have you had an affair/romantic experience lately that left you confused or disoriented? Would you say that socially have you been less sure of yourself than you have been in the past? Are you going through some foggy time at home, in your domestic life? Your inner emotions, your private life, this is confusing to you now, no?
Jupiter=MC: "Success, professional gains, internationalism, legalism"
Mercury=MC: "Having one's point of view clarified or recognized"
These 2, Ju=MC and Me=MC are particularly important because they involve the MC!
Mercury=Saturn: "Hard work, analysis"
***This seems to fit your description of what you are going through.
Moving on to SPs (Secondary Progressions), I notice you have 2 major heavy progressed aspects going on right now:
Sun conjunct Jupiter Venus square Uranus
I'm not that well-versed on progressions yet, from what I have read progressed to progressed hard aspects within a 1° orb almost always manifest physically in one's life.
p. Venus in 12th square p. Uranus in 3rd -- are you searching for a new, independent way of thinking or communicating in relationships? Has something happened recently, possibly in connection with that SA Neptune=Venus, something that involved a relationship which confused you and caused you to start searching for a new way to express yourself? You've isolated yourself and you're working on things. Am I close?
p. Sun conjunct p. Jupiter in 12th house -- you're definitely working on uniting your philosophies & beliefs to match up with your ego consciousness. This is a very spiritual process for you.
Your SP Moon just changed signs, it's at 0 Taurus now (My SP Sun is in early Taurus, SP Moon is in mid Aries and will conjunct SP Sun later on this year in Taurus, I've noticed I've become more Taurean lately...I like nicer things, am more practical & earthy). Actually, in about 8 months your SP Moon will conjoin its natal position, this is surely an important time for you. SP Moon in 9th, are you thinking about going to or back to school? Are you thinking about studying something entirely different?
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Post by chrissymgreen on Mar 28, 2006 15:56:00 GMT
dear prima,
you said:
I have been trying to encourage her to use that mars energy to overcome her communication challenges... like she did when she was a teenager - joining a martial arts club transformed her life. But come to think of it perhaps some more creativity would help too. Well, I have faith that she can do what needs to be done, and try not to be a big sister too much.
right! that 3rd house sag mars has GOT to really like communicating...esp in her relationships with others (mars rules 7th). does she like to read? it seems like most with sag energy like reading...i know i do, i have a sag moon. i am an avid reader. maybe she can join a book club or something if she likes reading, discussing ideas would really appeal to her, i think. that might help draw her out of her shell a little.
i sure do still have your email address, and i will definitely email you! i have lots of ideas, its nice to bounce em off of people sometimes.
all that chiron activity! wow! so there's this very similar thing going on with both of us, i have chiron=sun and so do you. then transiting NN just passed my natal chiron at 9 aries, tr NN is at 4 aries now right? so it's 5 degrees past. and the eclipse tomorrow will trigger my chiron, it's 1° off. i dont know if i feel like im finally healing, i hope so...i think with pluto on moon and neptune on venus i still have stuff to work through...but i am getting there...
i do have a nice relationship with my mother, she's a great lady. i do think it's possible im learning how to change the way i interpret things emotionally...the way i communicate and express myself is changing, i do know that. pluto is teaching me how to be truthful, even though i would have never considered myself untruthful before, perhaps i need to be more honest with myself about stuff. i used to be more of a sagittarian moon, exuberant, upbeat. with pluto on my moon, my emotions and communication style has become way more plutonian. i cant stand excess anymore, i detest trivialities when i dont want to engage in them, im learning how to plutonify my world. i guess this is emphasized with a progressed scorpio ascendant, woah, hadnt thought of that before!
your moment does make sense! we do create our realities, as they say. ive always believed that. i think the energies in the sky often accurately reflect what we are experiencing, we choose which path to take though. we sometimes take difficult paths because we respond to baser energies, maybe we just dont get the lesson right. or perhaps we take tougher roads because it is necessary to have that particular experience. and then sometimes things click into place and everything is crystal clear and wonderful.
OH! i do have a saturn arc, i just experienced MC=venus and since i have that venus saturn square that is almost exact...MC=saturn perfects for me this summer. "focus on ambition, professional change, significant family development, a major move".
that venus arc has not really activated for me yet -- an arc like that is supposed to mean falling in love or getting a raise. in this way it isnt active, but since venus rules my 1st and 8th im thinking in some way im going to be experiencing this as falling in love with myself, or experiencing a deepening of my understandng of love. it is possible this arc may actually manifest in an event when there's a full moon at 16 aqua (2° from my natal venus) in august. right around then, something else interesting is going on: my SR ascendant is mid pisces this year. in june or july i think, i have a lunar return for the month that also hase pisces rising, around 10° difference. so that may mean that will be an important month.
in addition, something ive been taking into consideration: there should be corresponding SP stuff going on to corroborate arcs. at some point later this year i experience:
p. moon // p. mercury p. moon // p. sun p. mercury square p. mars p. moon conjunct p. mercury (at the end of the year, the parallel perfects before the conjunction) p. moon square p. mars (this perfects a month or so before the merc square mars)
when these progressions either perfect or enter into the 1° orb i might expect more activity in my life.
in other words, just because i have an arc like MC=venus doesnt mean it has to typify the experience, ya know? that is one thing i am learning, tyl is definitely right in that you have to consider the realm of the client's experience and you have to look at the whole picture (sometimes i tend to narrow down to one or two things i obsess over and neglect to see the wider pic).
so anyway! good, good luck on that course of study! i bet youll do really well...
more soon, chrissy
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Post by primamateria on Mar 30, 2006 3:59:43 GMT
Hi Chrissy, its clear that you've put a great deal of effort and care into learning this astrology... it must be a passion of yours! I feel relieved that you have a good relationship with your mother... I've met too many people lately who don't, and having spent so much time researching the topic of motherhood (I intended to write a book) recognise the value of strong connections to actual 'mother' and on the archetypal level, the Mother (moon) and the Great Mother... I asked about Saturn transits because it has occured to me on many occasions that Saturn has strong ties to the Great Mother Archetype. In Quabala, the Supernal trinity of Kether, Binah and Chockmah represent the source of all life... Binah is the feminine, ordering receptacle into which the 'seed' of form flows through Chokmah from the original source/force of Kether. Binah is said to have the qualities of Saturn, and as I learned about the other spiritual disiplines through alchemy, has also quite similar qualities to the early Greco-Roman deity 'Necessity' or 'Ananke' which form part of the syzygy 'Time and Necessity' - joining with the masculine principles of Saturn as Lord of Time, amongst other things. It can get really confusing at times, trying to grasp how all these things fit together and how they relate. 'Binah' in tarot, is on the Empress card, which in turn is related to the sacral chakra.. a different energy altogether than 'Saturn' which is 'root chakra' (as is the great mother archetype!) - then I think it was Noel Tyl who wrote that the Draconic axis is about the Great Mother - and certainly 'dragon' is one of the symbols that is often read as a shadow aspect of the archetype. There's something missing! Agh! I'm not sure why these connections keep occuring to me, perhaps its to do with my own Saturn opp Moon? Anyway, I'm trying to get the bottom of this mystery about Mother, because I feel it critical to the healing of the schism between the sexes and the generations. Its important stuff - all to do with our primordial roots and our relationship with abundance and scarcity... Agh! too huge! but enough about me I could turn this into an essay... your understanding of astrology is wonderful, I'm impressed at how far you are looking into progressions and transits etc. Venus=MC. ... as you say, you will learn about loving yourself more fully... what I get from Venus is 'transformation'. (venus in natal tenth at 10 aries - eclipsed yesterday!). there is a great invocation/spell of Venus which goes, in part; "I am a garment of the Goddess. My body is her temple, beautiful without and within. I decorate it in Her honour, perfume it with Her flowers.
I celebrate Her rites with Joy;
for She has said to me and to all women, Behold, all acts of love and pleasure are my rituals.
(raise a glass of wine in toast to Her)
As I love, so I am loved. I draw to myself only those who recognise and affirm the power of love to transform all it touches.
She changes everything She touches, and everything She touches changes
Change us, Touch us
Change us, Touch us
Change us, Touch us. And so it is (from Cassandra Carter's Everyday Magic) If you can do this every Friday night, in front of a mirror, when in real need of self-love (over a period of months) t is indeed transforming. (I still do an abbreviated version whenever I feel in need of it). There's a whole lot more to it, with candles and other things - if you like I can email it to you. But knowing about Venus as you do, you will know what to do. Seeing yourself as beautiful, and allowing others to see you that way too, would fit with Venus=MC. Beauty is more than just the about the body, but Venus really can change you physically. (oh, I'm so glad we are having this discussion - so many things needed to reinforce in myself) What you wrote about Pluto and teaching you to be truthful... third house Pluto (i have this natally) reads as 'words of power'... so this transit must be making you aware that everything you say is important. Pluto brings integrity to the very core of a person too. It might just be that its impossible to carry on in a superficial manner after consciously living though a strong Pluto transit. sun=mars, this is perfecting for me soon? Mars is in my seventh, saggo... lately the message that some action is required is getting clearer. Its just a matter of 'which action?'. I had this conversation about Mars and the Animus recently, and seem to have him showing up more and more in my dreams. Last night's dream was amazing. Very Mars and Venus together. I'll be on the look out for more signs - but I think I ought to be more in pursuit of what I want, rather than Neptune style 'allowing it to come'. The Mars-Venus thing has to be about both directed energy (phallic energy) and receptivity - and allowing my directed energy to be received by others. back soon, pm
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Post by chrissymgreen on Mar 30, 2006 22:04:18 GMT
oooh! prima, could you send that venus thing to me? id be ever so grateful!
ok, back to the topic of solar arcs...today i read a post by noel on his forum that i really enjoyed and thought was very important to share with you guys. it explains the diffeence between arcs vs transits very well. i will copy and paste snippets here.
Q: I would be interested to know whether you think there is any difference in strength or impact between a long-term, important transit (for example Pluto conjunct MC) and the same configuration as a solar arc (when SA Pluto conjuncts MC).
Also I note that you say to look for hard aspects for solar arcs. Do you give these equal value - is a semisquare the same as a conjunction?
A: 1. Tr Pluto can last even longer in aspect to a particular point or planet than the customary rule-of-thumb of one-year consideration of SA Pluto in aspect to a particular point/planet.
I think a good answer may be a) such a Plutonic transit or arc is extremely important and pervasive; b) the arc background and the transit happening are going to "say" the same thing; c) the arc is going to look for a trigger transit for more focused time reference, as will the transit, collecting support for the potential changes.
2. It is very difficult to treat all hard aspects equally, I know. I have an 'unspoken' ranking of priority-feel in my work: the square is for me the most dramatic, followed by the conjunction, opposition, quindecile, sesquiquadrate, semisquare. But really, it is up to the individual to assimilate and exploit the energies in his or her reality; the individual takes over after measurements guide potential meaning into the picture. The astrologer learns about this in consultation dialogue.
i wish i had more time to write, but im off to water aerobics class! will write more later.
-c
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Post by primamateria on Mar 31, 2006 20:44:04 GMT
hi chrissy, I emailed that invocation to your gmail... hope its helpful. thanks for those snippets... where is noel tyl's forum?? hope water aerobics was fun pm
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Post by chrissymgreen on Apr 6, 2006 17:15:07 GMT
here you go prima! (sorry it took me a while to get back here, i took a couple days off.) www.noeltyl.com/cgibin/index.cgithat's noel's forum. www.noeltyl.com/techniques.shtmlthere's the link to the current article under his 'analytical techniques' section, and if you scroll down, at the bottom there is a long list of archived articles. some great stuff there! i dont have anything new to add here yet, but i thought i might take a sample chart (like noel does) and post it, and then we can all discuss the arcs that are going on in the chart, talk about how they might be affecting the individual's developmental processes. maybe we can use a public figure's chart, that might be interesting. just a little arc exercise, if you will. eventually i will get to this, i promise! ooh, i love water aerobics -- i just discovered it this year. im totally addicted now. and thanks for the invocation! im going to print it out, and share it with my sister. take care! c
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Post by Kelly C on Apr 12, 2006 3:24:47 GMT
Hi Forum,
Have you noticed that a new moon on one's natal Descendant triggers a Solar Arc aspect? I'll have SA Amor conjunct Descendant when the new moon hits. I have an Amor Ascendant natal aspect, as well.
Kelly
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