Eros into Sagittarius

[Kim Falconer]

Hi Everyone,

The ingress of Eros into Sagittarius is right this moment!!! I've got a post up just in time ! Please let me know if you catch any typos--I am racing this week to get everything done.

Thank you!

www.falconastrology.com/transits.htm

EROS enters the FIRE sign of Sagittarius on the 5th of December 2008 and travels forward until entering Capricorn on the 19th of January, 2008. Eros will be Out of Bounds the entire time.

The archer needs some mark beyond himself, beyond the expediencies of the present situation, …Sagittarius often has to be encouraged to keep exploring and experimenting, an essential element which may be lost in middle life when the curiosity natural to youth has faded. -Dennis Elwell

Upcoming Aspects:

Eros opposite Pallas at 08 Sagittarius 47' on the 17th of December 2008

Eros conjunct Pholus at 10 Sagittarius 34' on the 19 th of December 2008

Eros square Uranus at 19 Sagittarius on the 1st of January 2009

Eros conjunct Pluto at 1 Capricorn 57' on the 21st of January 2009


Read about Eros Out of Bounds by declination and check the ephemeris below to see where the transits fall in your natal chart! Also find information about Eros decans and the constellation & Mythology of Sagittarius.

Warm wishes everyone,
Kim

[pam]

Hi Kim,

I read this a few times and then I read the article and then I read the links, and then I did some other research, but I'm having issues understanding "out of bounds", as in how to tell if a planet is out of bounds.. I am a visual learner. Can you post a chart and point out the Out of Bounds planets? I think that would help me.

Pam

[Kim Falconer]

Hi Pam,

Good question. Out of bounds refers to declination--which is an astronomical measurement that helps pinpoint a planets position in the night sky. Basically planets, sun and moon, nodes etc have two measurements: Degrees and declination.

Degrees show us where they sit in a 360 degree circle. If a planet is 10 Aries, it is 10 degrees into the circle. If it is 10 Pisces, it is 340 degrees around the circle (0 Pisces begins at 330 degrees.)

Declination shows how far North or South of the Celestial equator at planet is. The maximum declination of the Sun is reached at the Tropic of Cancer (north declination) and Tropic of Capricorn (south), is 23°27' so any time a planet or point is further that the 'bounds of the sun' or further than 23°27' North or South of the Celestial equator, it is called Out of Bounds. If a planet is on the celestial equator (if you drew a line from the CE to the planet it would be in the same or parallel degree) it is a 0° of declination. The North Pole is + 90° of declination and the South Pole is - °90.

Let me find a picture.




Stars tend to stay in the same line in relationship to the celestial equator but the 'wandering stars' the planet have shifting declinations throughout the year.

If you look at a list of your own natal declinations (found in an ephemeris or as a pdf at astrol.com) it may start to make more sense. Any planet within 1.5 degrees of the same declination is called Parallel and if they are within 1.5 degrees of the opposite declination (North and South) they are considered contra-parallel. These are a different kind of aspect, similar to the conjunction and opposition in nature though parallel planets may not be aspected by zodiac degree (which measures from the ecliptic).

Here are some resources. There are some dubious ones out there so check authors and references as you explore this topic.

www.lunarliving.org/calendars/declinations.php This link has a graphic image of planetary declination which may help.

Can anyone else suggest some links that define these ideas--declination and Out of Bounds) in detail? I always link to Pamela Welch as a clear, academic astrologer.

www.mandala.be/declination/pamela.htm

Happy Eros in Sagittarius-exploration everyone!

kim

[pam]

Thanks Kim,

Here I was thinking that I was supposed to be able to look at the chart and tell which planets were out of bounds. Maybe there is a way without going into sines and cosines (trig was the first math class I came anywhere near failing, so you know the thought of trigonometric functions was making me unhappy) to eyeball a chart and tell, but the pdf's are so much more user friendly.

Have a great day

Pam

[airedale]

Hi Pam,

I need visual too!! The most concise geometric definition of ‘out-of-bounds’ that I’ve found is below – something I snagged from one of Kim’s other posts.

From a Kim Falconer Post

Out-of-bounds planets are any that have a declination greater than 23 degrees 27’. The declination is the angular distance of a planet north or south of the celestial equator.

Out-of-Bounds simply means “outside of the boundary of the ecliptic”, or the path of the earth’s orbit around the sun. (This is the apparent path of the sun through the sky.) Because of the tilt of the earth’s axis, the sun appears to stay within 23 degrees 27’ north of the equator and 23 degrees 27’ south of the equator. Anything “outside” of that is considered “Out-of-bounds”.

As for visuals of this, there are a few good diagrams in the paper listed below. The geometry in this paper is a little much but some of the diagrams – especially on pdf pages 7 and 29 (that’s 6 & 28 in the paper) – give a decent visual on the relationship of the ecliptic plane to the celestial plane. You can see that 23 degree 27’ relationship as well as the ‘in bounds’ vs. ‘out-of-bounds’ areas of the sphere. Hope this helps with your visual.

www.math.nus.edu.sg/aslaksen/projects/kh-urops.pdf

Stars tend to stay in the same line in relationship to the celestial equator but the 'wandering stars' the planet have shifting declinations throughout the year.

Question: Is declination all that is "fixed" about fixed stars?

[Kim Falconer]

Hi Airedale,

Thanks for finding the references to Out-of Bounds. I explained it better in that post!

The fixed stars are suns of other solar systems and don't move in relationship to us like the wandering stars, the planets that orbit our sun. It helps to remember that western astrology (other than sidereal) is geocentric. We view the planets and stars as if the Earth were the center of the universe.

The fixed stars move, in this model, due to the procession of the equinox--about 1 degree of longitude (zodiac) every 72 years. They move at even a slower degree of declination (a fraction of a degree in 100 years). So they are fixed both by sign (longitude) and declination (distance from the ecliptic) in terms of lifetimes. If you were born with Regulus on the Ascendant and parallel your Sun, it is going to be like that always for you, natal, transit and progression, and for everyone born within a hundred years of you! Essentially, fixed.

You can go here to view the fixed stars in order of declination to compare with your own chart. I would keep orbs within 0 degrees 30' in this case, if not exact!

www.constellationsofwords.com/stars/Stars_Declinations.htm

Best
Kim

[ariesmoon]

I have Eros Out of Bounds natally at 7 Gemini 10, so I'm going to have an Eros opposition whilst it's in Sagittarius. And it makes up a mutable Grand Cross too with:

Natal Eros 7 Gemini 10
Natal Pluto 7 Virgo 54
Natal Jupiter/Chiron at 12/10 Pisces

I've been feeling the effects of that already with the Sun/Mars conjunction in Sagittarius - I'm incredibly restless and can't settle to anything. I start things, and abandon them half way through. And I'm going through the process of surrendering possessions too, which I find hugely unsettling in itself. Massive changes, like tectonic plates shifting. I know it's necessary, but I do like my feet on solid ground and this feels like quicksand!

Eros in Sagittarius is in my 7th house and will move into the 8th before hitting Pluto at 0 Capricorn, which is already hitting the 3 remaining Aries points - opposing my Venus/Mars midpoint (0 Cancer) and squaring Draconic Venus (0 Aries) and Saturn (0 Libra).

[airedale]

Thanks Kim or should I say Encyclopedia Falcon-ica! I appreciate ALL these explanations! Thanks!

[Kim Falconer]

That made me laugh! Falconica! Thank you! Hope the whole declination thing is clearer. Did you find any fixed stars matching your natal planet declinations? Did I give you a list of the declinations? Let me know if not and I'll shoot one over to you. Here are the declinations for transiting planets right now. See if you are getting a transit by parallel or contra-parallel.

okay, formatting issues....this might take a moment.

From Swiss Ephemeris



Date | mars | jupiter | Saturn | | | | | |
LONG DECL | LONG DECL | LONG DECL |
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10 Dec 2008 | 17 sa 8 -23°19 | 24 cp 2 -21°40 | 21 vi 19 5°13 |
11 Dec 2008 | 17 sa 53 -23°23 | 24 cp 14 -21°38 | 21 vi 22 5°12 |
12 Dec 2008 | 18 sa 37 -23°28 | 24 cp 27 -21°36 | 21 vi 24 5°12 |
13 Dec 2008 | 19 sa 21 -23°32 | 24 cp 40 -21°34 | 21 vi 26 5°11 |
14 Dec 2008 | 20 sa 5 -23°36 | 24 cp 53 -21°32 | 21 vi 28 5°11 |
15 Dec 2008 | 20 sa 50 -23°40 | 25 cp 6 -21°29 | 21 vi 30 5°10 |
16 Dec 2008 | 21 sa 34 -23°43 | 25 cp 19 -21°27 | 21 vi 32 5°10 |
17 Dec 2008 | 22 sa 18 -23°46 | 25 cp 32 -21°25 | 21 vi 33 5°09 |
18 Dec 2008 | 23 sa 3 -23°49 | 25 cp 45 -21°22 | 21 vi 35 5°09 |
19 Dec 2008 | 23 sa 47 -23°52 | 25 cp 59 -21°20 | 21 vi 36 5°09 |
20 Dec 2008 | 24 sa 32 -23°55 | 26 cp 12 -21°17 | 21 vi 38 5°08 |
21 Dec 2008 | 25 sa 17 -23°57 | 26 cp 25 -21°15 | 21 vi 39 5°08 |
22 Dec 2008 | 26 sa 1 -23°59 | 26 cp 39 -21°12 | 21 vi 40 5°08 |
23 Dec 2008 | 26 sa 46 -24°01 | 26 cp 52 -21°10 | 21 vi 41 5°08 |
24 Dec 2008 | 27 sa 31 -24°02 | 27 cp 6 -21°07 | 21 vi 42 5°08 |
25 Dec 2008 | 28 sa 16 -24°04 | 27 cp 19 -21°05 | 21 vi 43 5°08 |
26 Dec 2008 | 29 sa 1 -24°05 | 27 cp 33 -21°02 | 21 vi 44 5°08 |
27 Dec 2008 | 29 sa 45 -24°05 | 27 cp 46 -21°00 | 21 vi 44 5°08 |
28 Dec 2008 | 0 cp 30 -24°06 | 28 cp 0 -20°57 | 21 vi 45 5°08 |
29 Dec 2008 | 1 cp 15 -24°06 | 28 cp 14 -20°54 | 21 vi 45 5°08 |
30 Dec 2008 | 2 cp 0 -24°06 | 28 cp 27 -20°52 | 21 vi 45 5°08 |
31 Dec 2008 | 2 cp 46 -24°06 | 28 cp 41 -20°49 | 21 vi 45 5°08 |
01 Jan 2009 | 3 cp 31 -24°05 | 28 cp 55 -20°46 | 21 vi 46 Rx 5°08 |
02 Jan 2009 | 4 cp 16 -24°04 | 29 cp 9 -20°43 | 21 vi 45 Rx 5°09 |
03 Jan 2009 | 5 cp 1 -24°03 | 29 cp 23 -20°40 | 21 vi 45 Rx 5°09 |
04 Jan 2009 | 5 cp 46 -24°02 | 29 cp 36 -20°38 | 21 vi 45 Rx 5°09 |
05 Jan 2009 | 6 cp 32 -24°00 | 29 cp 50 -20°35 | 21 vi 45 Rx 5°10
06 Jan 2009 | 7 cp 17 -23°58 | 0 aq 4 -20°32 | 21 vi 44 Rx 5°10 |
07 Jan 2009 | 8 cp 2 -23°56 | 0 aq 18 -20°29 | 21 vi 43 Rx 5°11 |
08 Jan 2009 | 8 cp 48 -23°54 | 0 aq 32 -20°26 | 21 vi 43 Rx 5°11 |
09 Jan 2009 | 9 cp 33 -23°51 | 0 aq 46 -20°23 | 21 vi 42 Rx 5°12 |

From Swiss Ephemeris



Date | Chiron | Uranus | Neptune | Pluto | | | | | | |
LONG DECL | LONG DECL | LONG DECL | LONG DECL |
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10 Dec 2008 | 17 aq 8 - 9°41 | 18 pi 48 - 5°08 | 21 aq 52 -14°33 | 0 cp 27 -17°42 |
11 Dec 2008 | 17 aq 11 - 9°41 | 18 pi 48 - 5°07 | 21 aq 53 -14°32 | 0 cp 29 -17°42 |
12 Dec 2008 | 17 aq 14 - 9°40 | 18 pi 49 - 5°07 | 21 aq 54 -14°32 | 0 cp 31 -17°42 |
13 Dec 2008 | 17 aq 17 - 9°40 | 18 pi 50 - 5°07 | 21 aq 55 -14°31 | 0 cp 33 -17°42 |
14 Dec 2008 | 17 aq 20 - 9°39 | 18 pi 51 - 5°06 | 21 aq 57 -14°31 | 0 cp 35 -17°43 |
15 Dec 2008 | 17 aq 23 - 9°39 | 18 pi 52 - 5°06 | 21 aq 58 -14°31 | 0 cp 38 -17°43 |
16 Dec 2008 | 17 aq 26 - 9°38 | 18 pi 52 - 5°06 | 22 aq 0 -14°30 | 0 cp 40 -17°43 |
17 Dec 2008 | 17 aq 29 - 9°38 | 18 pi 53 - 5°05 | 22 aq 1 -14°30 | 0 cp 42 -17°43 |
18 Dec 2008 | 17 aq 32 - 9°37 | 18 pi 54 - 5°05 | 22 aq 2 -14°29 | 0 cp 44 -17°43 |
19 Dec 2008 | 17 aq 35 - 9°36 | 18 pi 55 - 5°04 | 22 aq 4 -14°29 | 0 cp 46 -17°43 |
20 Dec 2008 | 17 aq 39 - 9°36 | 18 pi 57 - 5°04 | 22 aq 5 -14°28 | 0 cp 49 -17°43 |
21 Dec 2008 | 17 aq 42 - 9°35 | 18 pi 58 - 5°03 | 22 aq 7 -14°28 | 0 cp 51 -17°43 |
22 Dec 2008 | 17 aq 45 - 9°34 | 18 pi 59 - 5°03 | 22 aq 8 -14°27 | 0 cp 53 -17°43 |
23 Dec 2008 | 17 aq 49 - 9°34 | 19 pi 0 - 5°02 | 22 aq 10 -14°27 | 0 cp 55 -17°43 |
24 Dec 2008 | 17 aq 52 - 9°33 | 19 pi 2 - 5°02 | 22 aq 12 -14°26 | 0 cp 57 -17°44 |
25 Dec 2008 | 17 aq 55 - 9°32 | 19 pi 3 - 5°01 | 22 aq 13 -14°26 | 1 cp 0 -17°44 |
26 Dec 2008 | 17 aq 59 - 9°32 | 19 pi 4 - 5°01 | 22 aq 15 -14°25 | 1 cp 2 -17°44 |
27 Dec 2008 | 18 aq 2 - 9°31 | 19 pi 6 - 5°00 | 22 aq 17 -14°25 | 1 cp 4 -17°44 |
28 Dec 2008 | 18 aq 6 - 9°30 | 19 pi 7 - 4°59 | 22 aq 18 -14°24 | 1 cp 6 -17°44 |
29 Dec 2008 | 18 aq 10 - 9°29 | 19 pi 9 - 4°59 | 22 aq 20 -14°23 | 1 cp 8 -17°44 |
30 Dec 2008 | 18 aq 13 - 9°28 | 19 pi 10 - 4°58 | 22 aq 22 -14°23 | 1 cp 11 -17°44 |
31 Dec 2008 | 18 aq 17 - 9°28 | 19 pi 12 - 4°57 | 22 aq 24 -14°22 | 1 cp 13 -17°44 |
01 Jan 2009 | 18 aq 21 - 9°27 | 19 pi 14 - 4°57 | 22 aq 25 -14°22 | 1 cp 15 -17°44 |
02 Jan 2009 | 18 aq 24 - 9°26 | 19 pi 15 - 4°56 | 22 aq 27 -14°21 | 1 cp 17 -17°44 |
03 Jan 2009 | 18 aq 28 - 9°25 | 19 pi 17 - 4°55 | 22 aq 29 -14°21 | 1 cp 19 -17°44 |
04 Jan 2009 | 18 aq 32 - 9°24 | 19 pi 19 - 4°54 | 22 aq 31 -14°20 | 1 cp 21 -17°44 |
05 Jan 2009 | 18 aq 36 - 9°23 | 19 pi 21 - 4°54 | 22 aq 33 -14°19 | 1 cp 24 -17°44 |
06 Jan 2009 | 18 aq 40 - 9°22 | 19 pi 23 - 4°53 | 22 aq 35 -14°19 | 1 cp 26 -17°44 |
07 Jan 2009 | 18 aq 44 - 9°21 | 19 pi 25 - 4°52 | 22 aq 37 -14°18 | 1 cp 28 -17°44 |
08 Jan 2009 | 18 aq 48 - 9°20 | 19 pi 27 - 4°51 | 22 aq 39 -14°17 | 1 cp 30 -17°44 |
09 Jan 2009 | 18 aq 51 - 9°19 | 19 pi 29 - 4°50 | 22 aq 41 -14°17 | 1 cp 32 -17°44 |

[Kim Falconer]

NOTE:

Minus - means South declination and no minus - means north. So Saturn is at 5°13 North declination and Pluto is at 17°42 South Declination. I just checked up and I have transiting Jupiter contra-parallel my Sun on January 5th (my sun is 20° 35 North and Jupiter that day will be 20° 35 South. Making sense?

[airedale]

Hi Kim,

Yes, the declination element is making MUCH more sense now. It brings the 3rd dimension back into the picture. Thanks!

It looks like transits by declination activate the whole circle circumscribed by that angle of declination. Are these maybe more subtle?

I have transiting Jupiter parallel to my Vertex on 12-25… maybe a naked Santa in my garden on Christmas? (I suppose that’s taking the Vertumnus story a bit too literally.)

My natal Pluto (+22-32’), Sun (+22-34’), & Mars (+23-12’) are parallel, Mars is parallel to out-of-bounds Venus (+24-12’), and Chiron and Neptune are parallel in the south.

You mentioned that parallels are similar to conjunctions. Since there’d be a higher probability for parallel/contra-parallel it seems like they might be more subtle but I’m not sure it works that way. Would a parallel relationship btwn two planets have some effect on any aspects btwn those planets – intensify, smooth, …?

[Kim Falconer]

Parallels seem to 'work' just as powerfully as latitude, or zodiac aspects, as long as you look for the closest one. Your Pluto parallel Sun for example is very close, suggesting that Pluto is interacting more with the Sun than Mars. Think of it like a gathering were people are grouped together in conversations. The closer the parallel or contra-parallel, the more intimate the dialog, and the more they 'hear' each other .

The parallel amplifies any zodiac aspect in the chart, adding a voice both parties can understand. It puts the energy a bit more on the same page which means there is a commonality, an easier way to find alignment. In that sense it smooths AND intensifies the link.

I will be curious to hear more about the naked Santa in your garden!

Warmly,
Kim

[airedale]

Kim - thanks for explaining these things so clearly! I’ll be sure to report back on any Santa sightings!