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Post by ariesmoon on Oct 11, 2008 17:44:38 GMT
Hi everyone I set a horary chart tonight with the question "Will I have a happy and loving relationship this year?" And this is the result: I'm intrigued to know what others think! The chart is readable - Ascendant at 6 Aries, and the Moon at 9 Pisces and not Void of Course. My significator is Mars, in Scorpio in 7, with the co-significator the Moon in Pisces in the 12th, which has just separated from a trine with Mars. Moon rules the 5th. I hadn't thought whether to use the 5th or 7th, but both are covered - 5th by the Moon's rulership and the 7th because it's packed, with Sun, Mercury, Venus and Mars! Sun in the 7th in the same degree as Eros is also promising! I know that "yes or no" questions in horary are often tricky. With Venus in its own 7th house, in Scorpio, right on the cusp of the 8th, and Eros so tightly conjunct the Sun (cazimi I think), my intuitive reading is that the answer is "yes" and that it's likely to be passionate! Any thoughts? Thank you!
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Post by Aphrodite on Oct 12, 2008 18:27:24 GMT
Looks like a YES to me! This is a beautiful chart. It not only gives the answer, but describes you, your situation and the progression of events leading to the outcome. The lord of the hour for this chart is Venus, so this is absolutely a valid chart for your question. I agree with that you are represented by Moon and Mars. Your love interest is represented by Venus. He could also be represented by the Libra Sun and/or Mercury. Venus and Mars are separating. Nevertheless, the Moon will trine Venus, indicating a positive outcome. Although, in modern astrology, the last aspect of the Moon would be the square to Pluto, ancient astrologers did not take into account any planet beyond Saturn. Therefore, the last aspect of the Pisces (Romance!) Moon is a trine to the Scorpio (Sex!) Venus in the 7th house. Yes, YES... very steamy YES! I consider the separation (moving away) of Moon/Mars, Venus/Mars and Sun/Mercury in the 7th house to represent your concern about "love slipping away." You are worried (Moon in 12th) about whether you will ever have a loving relationship. I see all the 7th house planets as representing both your concerns and your requirements. You don't just want love (Venus) and sex (Mars), you want companionship, too. You need someone to talk to! This romantic (Libra) man (Sun) must be someone you can share your intimate (Libra) thoughts (Mercury) with. So, gut wrenching - soul cleansing orgasms aside... You absolutely have to mentally and emotionally trust this man or it will not happen. You will push him away. Another possibility is that multiple planets in the 7th could mean that you will have more than one love interest! Therefore, be careful not to push too hard, judge too soon or judge too harshly. You don't have to settle for the first man that shows up. Kiss a few toads and you will find your prince! The first aspect of the Moon is to Mercury. It is an inconjunct aspect and technically doesn't count. Although this does not have any bearing on the final outcome, it shows that your heart and mind are "out of joint." The Moon intercepted in the 12th house reveals your fear, uncertainty. It is probable that any restriction you are feeling is voluntary on your part! You know (Mercury) that you have to get out there in the real world (7th house) to have a relationship. This leaves you feeling exposed and vulnerable. You hide away (12th house) and wait some more while you find your courage to take an emotional (Moon) risk. You must come out of emotional hiding to take a chance on love - real life love! Taking a chance will bring opportunities, as indicated by the Moon approaching a sextile with Jupiter. Does Jupiter in Capricorn/10th house describe your future love? If so, he's a keeper! Please come back and let us know! You have now met someone and started a relationship. This is only part of your question. Is it happy and loving? Is this what you were looking for? The Moon moves forward to oppose Saturn (intercepted), followed by a Yod with inconjuncts to the Sun and South Node. With Saturn in the same nodal degree as the South Node, you could be the instrument of your own undoing. HEED THIS! Will you allow old fears and baggage from past relationships to hold you back? Do you want a relationship with this man or do you just want to meet him and run away to dream about how wonderful it could be? NO! GRAB FOR THE ROSE! ;D You must do major physical, mental and emotional restructuring of your self and habit patterns. Pretend he is already in your life and change yourself accordingly. Finally, the Moon joins Uranus just before the trine to Venus. I'll let you fill in the blanks here. Suffice it to say that you will change and your life will reflect it. The changes will be dramatic and fast! Clear out the cobwebs, chuck out the baggage and make room for something new and better. The love you want will be yours! So, what about that Moon square to Pluto? I think it signifies radical change in every aspect of your life. Once you have what you want it will take some effort to keep it. That's not going to be too comfortable for you, my Cancer friend. A part of you likes hiding away by yourself, even if it does get a bit lonely. This means you will have to make permanant changes (in you - not him!). But it will be worth it! Remember that! Wishing you love and happiness, Aphrodite
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Post by ariesmoon on Oct 12, 2008 19:24:13 GMT
This is a fabulous interpretation Aphrodite - thank you so, so much. A very steamy "Yes" - it can't get better than that! I'm so pleased I posted this chart! I want to read your post again so this is just a quick post for now with my first thoughts.
You are so "spot on" with your comments about emotional hiding away and waiting for the courage (and the man) to turn up. As if by magic (Pisces). And about my wanting all of those 7th house planet things including, especially, communication. Someone I can't communicate with doesn't get to first base. Mercury retrograde seems to say that whatever I give out, I have to have returned.
I'll kiss a few toads, and keep a special watch on any of them fitting 10th house Jupiter/Capricorn!
ps If it's that steamy, I may not report back everything ...!
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Post by Aphrodite on Oct 12, 2008 19:28:39 GMT
Yes, please read it again. I just fixed a major mistake! LOL!
Still doesn't change the outcome. Go get him!!!
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Post by ariesmoon on Oct 13, 2008 6:09:34 GMT
Spotted it, thanks!! Bless you x
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Post by Aphrodite on Oct 13, 2008 15:42:48 GMT
You are so "spot on" Mercury retrograde seems to say that whatever I give out, I have to have returned. I'm glad you mentioned the retrograde Mercury again. Here is an exerpt from Horary Astrology Plain & Simple, by Anthony Louis. "Mercury is the natural ruler of thought, communication, and questions. Even when it is not a significator, a retrograde Mercury often affects the outcome of the inquiry... Mercury represents thinking, thus someone involved in the horary matter may change their mind or desires when Mercury is retrograde. Barbara Watters comments that "ideas which seem brilliant while Mercury is retrograde show serious flaws when it turns direct." In practice, retrograde Mercury is not so ominous as these quotes may make it sound. The basic meaning of a retrograde Mercury is a change or alteration in thought, wish, or communication." Mercury represents your question and the embodies the thought process behind it. In this chart, Mercury is retrograde, peregrine and weakened by the Sun. Moon and Venus are in separating aspects from Mars. Also, Moon (your emotions) is peregrine and wandering aimlessly about. Mars (your will) is the strongest planet in the chart, but makes no applying aspects to any other planet. By sign, aspect and house location Mars looms like a fortress. There you are, in your fortress, with one or more potential love interest(s) right outside the gate. - Mars - armed for battle.
- Mercury - aimless and unsure.
- Moon - completely lost and (almost) helpless.
Moon is technically not in orb of Venus, either. I almost said, "No, you have no chance." But, that's not true. It is quite clear that you can have everything you want (EVERYTHING) if you get out of your own way! This is why I felt it was so important to go through every aspect of the Moon's journey - to let you think it through. Moon (heart) and Mercury (mind) must unite. It they agree, Mars can make it happen. As it stands now, it appears Moon has made a wish that Mercury and/or Mars may not agree to support. That powerful and unrestricted Mars will do what Mercury tells him to do and he will do it well. As such, they represent aspects of yourself that can act as "thieves in the night" to steal your happy and loving relationship away from you. Don't despair! The reason I gave this question a green light is due to the Moon's aspect to Jupiter. Jupiter is your ace in hole. He "collects the light" from the Moon and Venus and allows for a positive outcome. Also, Jupiter conjuncts the fixed star, Vega and Moon conjuncts the fixed star, Skat. Very positive! Finally, Mars has only one applying aspect, a sextile to the MC, where Jupiter is located in the 10th house. Mars connects you to the affairs of the 10th house. Then Jupiter connects the Moon to Venus. Are you involved in some public event or considering a career change? Also, Moon (woman) and Sun (man) are closely parallel (together). I interpret that to mean that what the Moon wants is good for you. Your physical (Sun) and emotional (Moon) needs are already in sync (parallel) or perhaps could be brought into balance through your action. Come what may, in the end this relationship would be good for you! Who is this Jupiter person? When you find out, please tell me! LOL! I'll give you a clue to get you started. Here is Louis again, this time he is quoting Lilly. "When the two principal significators do not behold one another, but both cast their several aspects to a more weighty planet than themselves, and they both receive him in some of their essential dignities; then shall that planet, who thus collects both their lights, bring the thing demanded to perfection; which signifies that a person somewhat interested in both parties, and described and signified by that planet, shall perform the thing which otherwise could not be perfected." Anyway, that's enough from me. I am attaching a reference chart pertaining to my comments about peregrine planets, essential dignities and planetary strengths.
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Post by ariesmoon on Oct 13, 2008 16:38:55 GMT
Aphrodite I'm so touched by how much time and thought you've given this. Thank you for your wisdom and insight and love. Mars as a "fortress" - wow - a powerful image.
You've touched such a nerve with your comments about the peregrine Moon. I've been doing a lot of crying in private about being alone (Moon/12th house/Pisces to the letter). I've looked at the Sabian symbols for the 2 significators, Moon and Mars. They are:
Moon 9 Pisces "The Race Begins. Intent on Outdistancing his Rivals, a Jockey Spurs his Horse to Great Speed."
Mars 6 Scorpio "A Gold Rush Tears People Away from Their Native Soil".
These 2 brought me up short. Both images of rushing away from places of safety (starting gates, native soil) and wanting to beat others to a "prize" (either winning the race, or finding the most gold). I'm very aware of being willing to be taken away from what has been safe (and sanitised) territory for many years, to move on. They're both very informative!
I really can relate to your comment about feelings (Moon) and brain (Mercury) being "inconjunct" - not in sync with each other. It's a mirror of my natal chart where there is Jupiter/Chiron in Pisces square Mercury in Gemini (intuition says yes, logic says no).
The Jupiter person? Not sure ... As for a public event, no, but I have been looking into a career change, involving healing with children using play and drama therapy. Jupiter's Sabian symbol is:
"In a Hospital the Children's Ward is Filled with Toys".
I'm off to think more about what you've said. A lot more!
PS Jupiter does rule my natal 7th house!
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Post by Aphrodite on Oct 13, 2008 16:52:46 GMT
Hey, you are so welcome! This helps me, too. We learn together.
I made another edit to the last post and added a note about fixed stars. Also, I owe you an answer about something else and haven't forgotten that one either. No more time today, though.
xoxoxo
Aphrodite
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Post by ariesmoon on Oct 13, 2008 16:59:18 GMT
I must just share this from "Raphael's Horary Astrology" (1883) as being the definition of Jupiter in Capricorn:
"He signifies one of a very little stature, thin face, pale complexion, and brown hair; a very weakly person, peevish, sickly, and ill-natured".
Not really my type. Thankfully astrology has moved on!!
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Post by Aphrodite on Oct 13, 2008 18:25:34 GMT
Ick! You don't need that! LOL Well, Jupiter doesn't have to be a love interest, just someone or even something helpful. Could be anybody: a counselor, boss, business partner, good friend or even that new career idea you have. Jupiter is part of the journey, not the destination. He (or even she or it) is energy that can help you accomplish your goal.
Now that I think about it. I'm not sure Jupiter can qualify to collect the light of Venus. Venus is still within Jupiter's rays, but may have separated too far to be within bodily orb (something called moiety). I don't think this changes anything, though. If you follow the Moon through all the aspects you arrive at Moon trine Venus. Jupiter is still part of the foundation of the matter that you build upon.
I am having such a hard time with this. Thank you retrograde Mercury. NOT!
Ok. I posed the question to Nostradomas software. It gave the answer as YES, with 20% probability. That is not 100% yes and not even as high as I had estimated, but the Nostradomas software includes the square to Pluto as the last aspect of the Moon. This lowers the rating. Personally, I don't agree with that.
You definitely need to think this through and focus yourself, which you are doing. You can do this if/when you are ready.
P.S. This chart is so similar to another horary chart that I am working on. I can't make any headway with it! It is posted in another thread.
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Post by ariesmoon on Oct 13, 2008 19:59:17 GMT
I'm not sure I wanted to know the 20% probability ..!! It's really helpful though what you've said, about Jupiter being part of the journey, not the destination, about it being an energy which assists.
There's a way of thinking that says all this business of asking questions about our future means we aren't living fully in the present. I keep trying to do that. But it's human to want to find out, and, I imagine, to want the "100% yes" in questions such as this. But thinking about it further, I'd far rather it wasn't that cut and dried. Pluto or no Pluto, this is not something that's going to just drop into my view without any work on my part.
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Post by primamateria on Oct 13, 2008 21:32:57 GMT
hi Ariesmoon - I saw the horary when you first posted it but didn't comment as my mind is so scattered right now with the house move and all that entails - but it did strike me as a very positive chart I have pondered the issue of 'asking questions about the future means we aren't living fully in the present' and alchemy provided the answer - the future is born in the ever powerful now! The greater mind - the divine- whatever we want to call it - through divination methods like horary, a way forward. also (and sorry I still don't have the mental muscles right now to fully get into the chart but wanted to lend some support anyway) I think it was Juliet that said not to get too caught up in Pluto being the last aspect of the moon as He has been hovering at the end of Sag for some time now. enjoy that lovely relationship thats on its way to you! love, pm
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Post by Aphrodite on Oct 13, 2008 22:35:47 GMT
Well, I do not agree with the Nostradomas software. It is helpful to point out things you might have missed, but it also includes aspects that do not belong. Pluto is not a player. It also included Venus square Neptune - also not a player. It deducts for having a "malific in the quesited house, even if it is one of the players. In this case, Mars, which is YOU! LOL! You are the good guy! Remember, by the strictest rules, we wouldn't consider anything planet beyond Saturn. But we would include other bodies, such as fixed stars. The software doesn't consider that either. There is just so much wrong with trying to assign a number using a system that won't allow you to pick and choose. It is messed up and I'm sorry I brought it up.
Basically, anything above ZERO is a YES. This is a positive chart that accurately reflects you, your life circumstances and what you are trying to do. The outcome will be what you want it to be. It is what you make of it!
Love,
Aphrodite
P.S. Can anyone help me with my chart?
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Post by ariesmoon on Oct 14, 2008 11:29:22 GMT
Pm, I love the idea of the future being born in the ever powerful now! Thank you for posting at such a busy time for you.
And Aphrodite I was fascinated by the idea of software that can assist with horary answers, I didn't know it existed! So please don't worry about bringing it up.
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Post by ariesmoon on Nov 14, 2008 17:44:54 GMT
I'm still working on who/what Jupiter in Capricorn might be. I might have a clue. I was given a tarot reading last weekend, by someone who runs an holistic healing and crystal shop, and she asked me straight out if I would like to run some astrology workshops starting in the new year. We had never discussed it before. Does the tarot have an astrological ruler? I wondered if it was Jupiter, given that it's ancient teaching.
I have to share this too, as a great example of how literal horary astrology can be sometimes! I set a horary chart just now, asking "should I write a letter and set my heart on the line". I've got to say something that I've been holding back, and just know I can't hold it back any longer.
I won't post the chart, but it came out as follows:
Ascendant (the line) 13 Gemini 56 Moon (my ruler, and my heart) 13 Gemini 13, and ruling the chart's 3rd house (letters)
My natal Mercury - ruling letters - is 13 Gemini 37. In my Draconic Chart, this degree of Gemini also contains a tight (few minutes) conjunction between my nearest name asteroid, and the surname asteroid of the person I want to write to.
I'm ruled by both the Moon and Mercury (as Asc ruler) in the chart. Mercury's Sabian Symbol is "A Woman, Filled With Her Own Spirit, is the Father of her Own Child". I love this symbol. It's so relevant to me at the moment, it's about pride in your own individuality and knowing how that blends with others. And it's about creative energy, giving birth to your own ideas and projects. And there's a caution, as Lynda Hill says - "be wary of isolationist and prohibitive emotions ... is there a situation here where others are not being invited to share or be included in your life?" Isolationist? Ouch!! I've never consciously put out an invitation for anyone to be included in my life. Perhaps it's high time to do it!
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