a new lover

[primamateria]

hello everyone! its been a long time, and its so quiet over here!

I asked this question recently... it has been on my mind a while, as I cut ties with my baby's father, early this year after a long two years of trying to work things out. I haven't wanted to ask a second opinion on it until I'd studied it thoroughly though.

a few points about the chart that struck me immediately - Venus in the degree of my natal Vertex (also the degree of the full moon today, the degree of composite sun with the man I just cut ties with); 8th house moon in the degree of the sun of the man I just cut ties with (which is also our composite moon, and my ARabic part of Destiny). Part of Fortune at Sag 17 - a degree prominent in return charts this year, the degree of my natal seventh house mars and the mars/mars conjunction I share with that darn man I just cut ties with. In fact - he/us and the lack of a relationship seems to be written all over this chart. (and yet I feel stronger, happier and that I have more relating skills than ever before. I've made good choices for myself and resisted involving myself in affairs that would have been complicated, risky or unsatisfying to my soul. I'm good. ;D)

also interesting is Jupiter, Sun and Part of Fortune in the same degree (17), the Sun and Jupiter having just perfected an opposition, partile... and Venus is just about free of the Sun's combust rays.

anyway, its been ages since I wrote up an horary analysis so please bear with me : there's a couple of Mutual Receptions going on in this chart - the modern ruler of the Asc, Neptune, retrograde and hidden away in the twelfth house (in the realm of fantasy and dream perhaps?), can 'swap' with Uranus, also retro, co-ruler of the first (I cannot for the life of me remember where I learned that but apparently planets in the first are counted as co-rulers as they are 'telling' of the circumstances of the querent). I could be wrong - please tell me I'm wrong! Actually I'm having a massive Uranus transit, and working really hard on staying flexible without seeming unreliable - and I mean working! *sigh* anything could happen, and probably will...

OK - it does look like there is a 'lover' but whether there is enough evidence to support that we'll 'get together' or not is unclear. In this chart Venus rules my thinking on the matter (ruler of my third) - showing I am focused on matters of the heart (fifth house), and with the chart's Vertex nearby, looking forward to things 'turning around'.

Jupiter, traditional ruler of Pisces so also the Ruler for 'me', is in the eleventh house - where He is 'in joy' - and in His own term, the sun's face...but is in fall and retrograde, so there is a vulnerability there.


Moon, ruler of the fifth house and significator for 'the lover', in Libra and in Mutual Reception with Venus in Cancer in his fourth house - perhaps he is more 'at home' with relationships than I...ruler of his third - his 'thinking about the matter' is in his 12th - unconsciousness - and about to oppose Pluto - who will no doubt change things powerfully.... or perhaps his mind is on 'big dreams' (like mine) but at present I am unknown to him.

moon as my co-ruler, in Libra (Venus' term, moon's face) in my eighth house would seem a bit sad, but is quite well dignified, I believe, and all the more so for the MR with Venus. (as an aside this is the degree of my Arabic Part of Astrology - and for sure I've really enjoyed studying this chart!)

Venus, whether swapping with moon or not - is in my fifth, rules my third and my eighth, and is in his first, ruling his fourth and eleventh houses. This is a bit mind boggling! It feels like a double-double situation with another party involved (because its Libra - who in my experience always 'play both sides' and because of the dual rulerships) vs my commitments to my children, writing etc, and his home/security and long -term goals, friendships etc.

so to aspects;

Moon as his significator is applying a square to Jupiter, ruler of me - I can't see how a square is a positive 'yes' in this type of question.. and yet squares often seem to make things happen. The Moon's last aspect is sextile Pluto, which could point towards some positive development in his sixth/my tenth - both work/career matters that will affect the outlook for the future.

ruler of his fifth - mars - is applying/conj to Saturn (ruler of his seventh house) at the cusp of his third house, my seventh - indicating some mental roadblock to be overcome before any relationship can come to fruition. The moon applying to square to the Sun the ruler of his second house, would suggest some difficulty in coming to terms with the situation - with 'what he has' - the solar and lunar energies are at odds.

Oh, I have just checked the Arabic Part of Lovers - and its Libra 9'52. Now that's spooky

grr. now maybe I have to start looking at this chart differently all over again!

any ideas anyone?

love !! pm

ps. an horary astrologer on another forum keeps saying that for two people to come together there must be three confirmations in the chart. I checked the declinations = sun, jupiter, part of fortune, mercury and venus all parallel.

[primamateria]

ps. I checked Juliet's post about timing - I think it means that with the moon in a Cardinal sign and in a succedent house that the timing is in weeks - so the moon will sextile Fortuna and sq Jupiter (and the Sun) in around 7 weeks (degrees)... which is now six weeks or less... not so long to wait for confirmation one way or another really!

[primamateria]

and one more thing - Venus and the Sun are the natural co-rulers of the fifth house, and as per Jupiter in the eleventh, are 'in joy' there. But I'm still not sure how this fits in with answering the question - seems positive tho!

[Aphrodite]

Hmmmm... Are you sure you have "cut the ties" with the father of your baby?

YOU: Jupiter, Neptune, Moon and PoF make no positive applying aspects. The Libra Moon in the 8th, inconjunct (out of joint) and parallel the Asc shows your emotional intensity, but also your conflicted feelings. You want/need change. But how?

Uranus does trine the Sun, though. Isn't it interesting that you asked for a new lover (not a relationship)? It seems that you need to sneak off and get laid - shake things up a bit. Nothing wrong with that. But there would be no room for an emotional connection (a relationship) with this new guy until you are really ready to make a complete break with your baby's father. You're not looking for commitment, just a fling to help you feel better while you continue to wait for this man. Or perhaps you are looking for someone to help you change your attitude - to help you make the break and free your heart. Perhaps it is both. However, although your baby's father is not giving you what you want and need, he is still very much a part of your life. I noticed that the only reason Uranus trines the Sun is that it is retrograde and you pointed out that Venus was still under the Sun's shadow. Your heart keeps coming back to him! You are still under his spell! So how are you going to go sleep with someone else?

You will get no lecture from me about leaving that no good "so and so". For all I know he might be worth every minute of the wait. Also remember that there are many worthwhile relationships where one of the partners does not fit into the role that the other has written for them. Perhaps your relationship with your baby's father is still good for something, just not what you expected? Perhaps you could focus on evolving, not dissolving, your relationship?

Because he is the father of your baby, this man will be in your life for a long time. Therefore, my only advice to you is to try to appreciate what he is (for both you and your child) versus what he is not. Perhaps in this manner, and with enough time, you can make peace with the situation. Then you will find that there is enough love in your heart to allow another man to enter your life and form a HEALTHY relationship.

And then you get to have SEX! ;D

Warmest wishes,

Aphrodite

[primamateria]

thanks Aphrodite, its as I thought - I have more work to do to get the man out of my system after all.. pm

ps. I'm in a healthy relationship - with myself.

[Aphrodite]

LOL! Having a healthy relationship with yourself is a good start. But I am laughing because you reminded me of an old joke we have - a bit of a dirty joke.

One friend says to another: "So how's your love life?"

The other replies: "The sex is great! All I have to do now is find a partner!" ;D

Take care,

Aphrodite

[Juliet]

Hi Prima, I always take 7 for 'the other', whether it's a lover or a spouse or enemy or a committed partner. That would make your second ruler Moon. And the first aspect of Moon will be a sextile to the PF in Sag in 10. I wonder if - in this case- having a career is a prerequisite to bonding with someone else. PF, Jup and the Sun all in on the 17th deg, and Sun is ruler of the 6th, daily work, Jup is ruler 1 and 10 and PF is in 10.

I wouldn't count the aspect with Pluto as the last, since all charts of the last few years have had this Pluto in the last degrs of Sag. The last aspect the Moon will make is a trine to Mercury, so yes, you will eventually have a lover, and I guess much more then that!

Love, Juliet

[Aphrodite]

Ah hah! Thank you, Juliet! I missed the Moon aspect because I can't read the Astro charts on my little laptop. I used the modern PoF when I ran my copy of the chart, which puts the PoF in Gemini. Good call!

Would you use that aspect as a timer or something else? 7 weeks / months ?

I agree with you about the 7th house in all cases where you can put a name to the other person. In this case, we are talking about "new lover" or a man with no (known) name. The man with the name is 7th house - and I still think he needs to get out of the way to make room for someone else to come into her life.

This horary stuff is hard, but I think I am starting to like it. I get a lot of the charts wrong though. :-( Practice, practice, pratice!

Aphrodite

[Juliet]

Hi! I once ran a similar chart to Prima's chart on this forum, about three years ago. I took 7 to represent my future lover, even if he had no name yet, and the DC was on the Sun of my (now) bf! Timing was undecided, and it would take another 15 months before we would meet for the first time. I believe I asked about a lover too, but he is so much more to me!

5 just does not work for me, to me it siginifies children and creative work.
Prima, do you relate at all to that Uranus in 1, Uranus as a co-ruler of you in this matter?

[primamateria]

yes Juliet, that Uranus does say something to me about my life and circumstances right now - my father has just sold the house I live in so our 'foundations' are a little shaky, for one. I'm having an Uranus transit (Ur conjunct MC, opp Pluto - plus Pluto sq natal Uranus/NOde)

and, Uranus is on the ASC of my ruling planet return - my Venus return - this year (as with the year I met C - when anything could and did happen).

plus, of course I am brilliant

love, pm

[Juliet]

plus, of course I am brilliant

I know that, Prima!!!!

[Aphrodite]

Oh Prima, did you find a new home yet? August is almost here and anything could happen! Something big and most likely wonderful. Expect great things!

I have my fingers crossed for you and sending you positive energy!

Brightest blessings to you,

Aphrodite

P.S. Yes, you are brilliant! ;D

[primamateria]

;D shucks...

no, Aphrodite, just found out 18 hours ago the house is sold... and starting to look for a place NOW... another horary question showed the sale not going through, so up to this point I didn't look further than when we discussed my possible move to the country/seaside.

back to the drawing board... pm

[Aphrodite]

It said NO, not now (early June) - but potentially something else (hopefully better) around mid-August. How long before the new owners take possession of the house?

As for myself, the continuing saga of my own relocation... I am moving again - but only down the street this time. In fact, movers are coming for the big stuff in 2 1/2 hrs. I got to get back to work!

[primamateria]

hmmm. Now my dad says the sale is in danger of falling through because the previous owner didn't have a building compliance certificate for the renovations done. That could be good, or not. Connie Reynolds read the chart for me 'will we have to move out of our home' (cast June 9, 7.13 pm, Adelaide, Aust.) and she got a no on several counts. She had a look at it again the day before yesterday and said she still doesn't think the sale will happen. Interesting.

I have been looking at a house in that place I mentioned before - which I called Kings Town (really, Kingston - I just liked that idea of it being a place of Kings given how hard I've worked for sovereignty in my emotional life). Which I may be able to buy myself. I'd love to own my own house!! It needs work and lots of time and probably money too. I've contacted the agent to arrange a time to view the inside (its a long drive so I've just looked via the internet so far). That's next weekend. Dad says he'll support where ever he can. Mum will come and help with the move. The girls want to stay at their school, but their continued education at that school is in jeopardy anyway, as the school fees are paid by their grandparents - and they now say they want to stop paying and the girls will have to leave at the end of this school year (December).

jeepers, who has the energy to contemplate a love life now??!

love, pm