major move question

[primamateria]

OKey dokey... very late degrees on the ASC - perhaps too late, and the chart is not fit to judge??

I'm not sure about the significators for this question - on another forum I've seen the first and seventh used for 'the town you are in now' and 'the town you want to move to'. Any ideas on that??

I see that Venus rules the chart and is combust - so perhaps it is not the right time to ask?

(and I see both Ve and Sun are opposite my Natal Mars, which may explain why I felt the need to know)

thanks in advance for any help with this one pm

[ariesmoon]

A few quick thoughts - hororary charts not my forte so am not able to comment on whether or not it's fit to judge, but I'd be inclined to look at the 4th house and what's in Cancer, because this is about uprooting and establishing a new home. Your heart really is in this question - with the Moon high in the sky in Cancer. (Interesting that the Cancer/Capricorn polarity is so strong, and reversed, with Cancer on 10/Cap on the 4th, and with Moon opposing Jupiter.)

The Sabian for Jupiter at 22 Capricorn is "a soldier receiving two awards for bravery in combat" which might just indicate that a brave decision to relocate would result in joy (Jupiter in 4th) and the establishment of solid new foundations (Capricorn).

[Aphrodite]

My heart goes out to you, because I finally managed a long distance move a little over a year ago (2,800 miles or 4,506 Kilometers!). I can tell you from experience that this is a big deal. But, I know you are taking this decision very seriously. It is important to you. So I would like to take a stab at this one for you. Also, I struggle so much with horary. I tried to take my time here, but don't know if I have the correct answer either. Nevertheless, I will share my thought process with you.

Up front, I will say that it is questionable whether the chart is readable. However, there is so much going on here. I think that it is, so I will proceed.

You worded the question with "WE" not "I". 1st house would describe your physical presence and 7th house would indicate where you are considering (re)moving to. But, does 1st house cover "WE"? Who are WE? You (1st) and your family (4th)? You (1st) and your children (5th)?

The other question I had relates to the definition of "Kings Town." It is not a specific dwelling or piece of property (4th?), but could be a neighborhood (3rd) and might be a distant land (9th), and might even describe your place (status as resident) in the community (10th).

Not knowing the answers to these questions, I give up and go with my gut. I pick 4th for the physical presence of your family and 10th for the the place you would like to move your family. You, of course, are represented by the Asc and co-significator is the Moon.

My answer is: NO --- At least, not yet! Your timing is off. The opportunity, if it ever existed, has passed. Perhaps you have new information that gives you qualms about the move or you simply have had a change of heart. Moving takes a lot of time, planning and energy, so perhaps you just couldn't pull it together fast enough to take advantage of the opportunity. Just too many obstacles.

Stick with me. Here's why I think this...

1) First applying aspect of the Moon as co-significator (you) and 10th house ruler (Kings Town) is in opposition to Jupiter - the natural ruler of long distance/foreign places. You are up against too much to make it happen at this time. Big dreams, high hopes, but not enough to go on yet. Moon is fast and strong and Jupiter is weak. Reckless?

2) Late (too late!) degree on the ascendant, as well. Opportunity has passed. Frustrated?

3) 4th and 10th houses: Moon would describe Kings Town (10th). Moon makes no applying aspect to Saturn (4th) or Venus (1st). In fact, Saturn is doing nothing (good) in this chart! The devil (Saturn) is in the details and I suspect you have little or nothing worked out. Irritated? ---- Segway to #4...

4) Venus - MC Antiscion by 1 Deg 43 Min AND Saturn - Asc Contra-Antiscion by 0 Deg 13 Min * SAME DEGREE * --- You (Venus) might be ready to make this move (MC), but the rest of your family (Saturn) may oppose you (Asc) if you rush them. They may not be ready and it will take time to prepare them.

5) Jupiter is actually at 21 deg Cap (These charts are so hard to read! Too blurry.). I have two Sabian lists. The first "The defeated general yields up his sword but in failure he wins for his cause a dignity that is real success. " And the second "By Accepting Defeat Gracefully, A General Reveals Nobility Of Character." The keyword is "expediency." ---- Lose the battle, but win the war. Libra rising always picks the battleground and the time of battle. Even if Kings Town is the right place, it is the wrong time.

6) Venus at 15 deg Gem: "A Woman Activist In An Emotional Speech Dramatizing Her Cause." The keyword is "indignation." Easy does it! Communication is a two-way street. See #5.

7) Asc at 27 Lib: "A Man Becoming Aware Of Spiritual Forces Surrounding And Assisting Him." The keyword is "responsiveness." This is your strength, but you need more time to apply it to this situation. The keyword for the MC (Kings Town) is "unfoldment." The keyword for the IC (family) is "immersion." ---- Involve your family in the decisions. Hear and respond to their concerns. You will move steadily towards your goal.

I agree with AriesMoon that your heart is in this one. You could go overboard (Jupiter) and make an impulse move. MAYBE you could even pull it off! However, you have a responsibility (Saturn) to yourself and your family to do this right. Big moves are hard! Very stressful. It is like eating an elephant! Best to take your time and do this right. Don't let strong emotions rush you!

Don't give up on your dream either. I get the feeling that there will be another opportunity later. Eat that elephant one bite at a time and it will happen for you! You are definitely headed in the right direction, but just not ready yet.

Venus (you) makes lovely applying aspects in this chart, so you are making progress. It looks like others are coming to your aid. Be patient and diligent. All will be well. ;D

Love to you and your family,

Aphrodite

[primamateria]

gosh you guys, thanks SO much!

ariesmoon, yes that cancer/capricorn theme IS strong - and is a theme in my solar return this year, with SR Jupiter at that same degree... so I've been pondering the symbol for a while now. Sometimes things like people offering reassurance and support feels like a double reward

aphrodite! wow, what a wonderful reading... I'm actually relieved that the answer is NO - at this stage I'd love to stay right where I am.. its only my father putting my home on the market which has prompted me to look for an affordable housing solution (and a remote area IS a solution, with this particular town offering a decent school and an opportunity to be part of a growing community).

so, no, I haven't got far into the planning, only to the research stage about the area...

and my dad is saying he will try not to sell the house we live in now, which gives me hope that we don't have to move anywhere. The children really love it here, we all do. We love this house, the school they go to, everything about our life here.

there is the issue, though, of ownership and responsibility.. it is high time I became independent - living in my father's house is obviously risky business! The children understand that if we have to move so far from where we are now (its about three and a half hours drive) its to better our situation - the alternative is to continue renting, and I really feel the need to own a home of my own.

I'm just thinking outloud now... I walk through this house and I just am so grateful for it..its a miracle that we're here and we've loved every day living in it. I constantly affirm that this is our home - and hope I'm not hanging on too tight! With Pluto and Uranus prominent by transit, progression and solar return I'm aware that upheavals will come and that staying flexible will make things easier... at the same time, these planets need not necessarily bring 'bad' things... having Saturn on last year's SR ascendant looked ominous, but it turned out to be an amazing year.

Keeping the lives of my children stable and firmly rooted is important to me, having had quite a lot of instability in my own childhood (cluster of Pluto/IC/Jupiter/South NOde/Uranus in my natal chart) but at the same time I recognise how their strength and ability to rely on their own inner resources means that they will be fine, anywhere we go. At least I hope I'm not wrong about that! My kids are amazing people anyway, and also well loved by many people outside of their immediate family. I don't see how that can change.

I love what you wrote about a big move being like eating an elephant! Yes, I really get that it needs to be approached one small bite at a time, with what I can imagine would have to be fairly thorough chewing!

thanks again,

love, primamateria

[Aphrodite]

Hi Primamateria,

Wow! What a relief! ;D It works! It works! LOL!

The first absolute requirement to reading a horary chart is understanding the question. With only six words to describe the situation, I was a bit nervous. The way you asked the question, I thought that this was something you really had your heart set on. Everything else said no, that's not it. So, I decided to JUST READ THE CHART! But did I read it right? If 4th/10th hs was wrong, then I just wasted everyone's time. I try hard to research everything that goes into reading a horary, it still seems so hard! Fortunately it seems to have worked out this time. I'm so glad you are not disappointed with the answer.

You asked if the chart was readable because of the late degree and Venus combust the Sun. Your response confirmed a few more things that I didn't share with you.

1) Late degree on asc: A late degree on the asc can simply mean that the querent has changed their mind, already knows the answer, was never serious in the first place or it is simply too late to ask the question. In this case, it confirms bad timing. I like the fact that it is late and not early. It implies that you have been wrestling with the situation for some time now. You didn't just think this up out of the blue.

2) Venus combust the Sun: This confirms an answer of NO, not now, but you may get another chance later. Mercury is the Lord of the Hour and is heading backwards toward Venus (You!). At the moment, the Sun (Father?) is in the way and prevents the conjunction. Their positions in the 8th hs suggests to me that although you might be weak, you can get help from others. Eventually Mercury and Venus will get past the Sun and make their conjunction, then Mercury will turn around and meet up with Venus again (heart and mind working together)! In fact, Mercury did pass the Sun and then Venus a few hours ago. Perhaps you got some new ideas or information yesterday or today? The 2 degree separation of the Moon/Jupiter opposition might indicate that, too.

It will be about mid-August when they meet again, in Virgo (the plan forms). Sun will be left behind, still stuck in Leo. Guess who else is nearby at that time? Saturn (the devil is in the details)! Help is on the way!

And help is here with you now...

I love it that this Virgo Saturn (security) is the ruler of 4th hs and Venus (love) rules you. Despite how hard it seems or how frustrated you might get you are making the changes for the very best of reasons. You will have what you need, when you need it. In fact, the sabian (long version) symbol for Saturn in this chart reads: "A glorious vision unfolds over a little struggling family in the wilderness; two mighty angels bringing protection." (The short version merely reads, "Two guardian angels." I like the long version better!) The key word is "Security." You are blessed!

Chew thoroughly and don't quit!

Love and light to you,

Aphrodite

[ariesmoon]

What an amazing lesson in reading hororary charts - thank you Aphrodite! It's really helping me to interpret a chart I set at a similar time.

Primamateria - I just love what you said about your kids being "amazing people". That's something you don't hear parents saying often enough. With that much love and belief in each other, you will be fine.