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Post by jcweimpw on Feb 20, 2008 1:33:42 GMT
Hi everyone:
This is my first posting. I have lurked for a couple of years. I was inspired to join with the addition of the Draconic charts topic. A little bit about myself. I have been interested in astrology since I was a young teenager (about 40 years ago). My great-aunt was a psychic and told me that part of my calling was to learn astrology. My first teachers were Michael Erlewine and Ray Merriman in the early 1970's. I took classes from Michael when he was in Ann Arbor prior to starting Matrix software. I took classes and seminars at Ray Merriman's house before he got involved with the stock market astrology. I fell away from astrology for about twenty years and have just recently re-acquainted myself with it. So much has changed.
Ariesmoon, my solar return for last fall also had 0 degrees of Libra on the ascendant and 0 degrees of the other cardinal signs on the IC, Desc and MC. I think it should be an exciting year.
I look forward to learning and sharing with all of you.
Pam
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Post by Kim Falconer on Feb 20, 2008 20:53:31 GMT
Hi Pam, Welcome to the forum. Thank you for posting! You have a wealth of astrological background with those teachers! I'd love to see your class notes! And yes, 0 Cardinal on the cusps of the return chart suggests action and excitement! This is your current Solar Return, yes? Are you finding that the natal house with Libra on the cusp is taking front stage, or is it more an activation of the house that contains 0 Libra (if they are not the same)? We should probably talk about this in the Returns Board. If this topic takes off, I'll move it over there. Other things to watch for with the Aries point (any of the 4 Cardinal signs) rising on the return: 1. Activation of the natal Aries Point 2. Activation of the natal Draconic chart. One client that had 0 Aries on the Ascendant of her Mercury return went back to university that year and ended up on the Dean's List. Her 0 degree Aries Point was in her 9th house of Higher Education. Kim
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Post by ariesmoon on Feb 22, 2008 20:03:48 GMT
Hello pam and thanks for the info about your return, i`m away from my home pc at the moment on holiday so am coping with a tv internet keyboard which isn't the best but just wanted to say thanks to you and to Kim. I'm so glad I posted that info about my draconic solar return (the tropical one which I did on holiday in Canada for my birthday had my Desc angle on the ascendant with Jupiter rising so I knew there would be some exploration involved! will do some thinking too about Eros in Aries for Kim's new thread having found draconic Venus on 0 Aries!
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Post by ariesmoon on Mar 1, 2008 19:27:36 GMT
Back to a proper keyboard (for which my Mercury in Gemini is very grateful!)
Just to clarify it was the solar return for my draconic sun which came up with 0 Cardinal on all four angles. It was an experiment and I still don't know how valid it is, but it still fascinated me having discovered draconic planet placements on 3 out of 4 of the Aries points with transiting Pluto making up the 4th! There is definitely a theme of new opportunities presenting themselves. Sometimes so suddenly I don't quite know how to deal with them. Almost as if there's an imperative. You MUST take this up, you MUST do it now. Being naturally risk-averse that's all quite unnerving, but it's also exhilerating!
I've just realised that my progressed tropical Venus is at 1 Libra, conjuncting the natal Adonis and draconic Saturn. Venus meeting Adonis, and both meeting draconic Saturn. Oh, and all of them on the draconic solar return ascendant. It does sound like an exciting year!
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Post by Aphrodite on Mar 1, 2008 23:26:51 GMT
Good for you! And isn't it interesting that you posted on the day transiting Moon conjoined with transiting Pluto on your 4th point? !!! I couldn't help but notice since I planned my meditation today around the event. Warm regards, Aphrodite
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Post by ariesmoon on Mar 2, 2008 12:12:37 GMT
Thanks for that Aphrodite, I hadn't tied in the moon transit! I wondered why I'd been singing a lot!
I'd just had a "eureka moment" before I read your post, and realised that natal Adonis at 1.46 Libra, and progressed Venus at 2.14 Libra, equate to 22 Taurus 17 and 22 Taurus 45 respectively in my draconic chart. Mars in my natal tropical chart is at 20 Taurus 40.
An almost exact Mars/Adonis conjunction - which I wouldn't have spotted without the draconic chart - does explain my fascination for very beautiful men who combine physical strength (Mars/Taurus) and Venusian gentleness and charm. I'm sure I'm not alone in that, but it does explain it in my chart!
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Post by primamateria on May 31, 2008 9:41:32 GMT
Hi All, it has been a while since I looked at Draconic charts - I don't usually think much about them as my own is the same as my natal due - but today was prompted to have a look (I notice Astro.com now has the facility under its 'extended chart selection' section) at the charts of my daughters and their fathers. what I found was amazing! In all of the charts there are synastry contacts to mine involving either the angles, the sun, moon or vertex. has anyone else found the same? pm
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Post by Kim Falconer on Jun 4, 2008 21:33:29 GMT
Thanks for the post PM! I was about to announce that Astro.com can now draw up charts with the Draconic Zodiac. Excellent for those who do not have the software or time to do them by hand.
I am in awe of how the Draconic charts reflect the nature of a synastry. I'm actually thinking about writing a 'Draconic Relationship Report'.
I think the orbs need to be fairly tight but it's amazing how often they are!
Warm wishes to you! Kim
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Post by LeYeL on Jun 9, 2008 9:07:48 GMT
For those without a program to configure, I have noticed that www.astro.com/has added Draconic Chart in Extended Chart Selection (Circular Charts) at the bottom area in Other charts section.
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Post by ariesmoon on Jun 9, 2008 17:14:25 GMT
Hadn't looked at draconic contacts in synastry - thanks Primamateria!
A quick look at my chart against that of someone I was instantly attracted to, can't get out of my system, and who in an ideal world I'd love to be with, came up with these contacts. I've not found many angle contacts but using asteroids there are some very tight conjunctions. All potential at the moment - and maybe it will never be realised - but some of them (particularly the Eros ones) make me wonder ...
Draconic-Draconic
My Venus 0.57 Aries/his Eros 4.14 Aries (quite wide) My Aphrodite 26.24 Cap, Eros 27.40 Cap ,AC 28.12 Cap/his Mars 27.11 Cancer My Moon 9.06 Sag/his Juno 9.23 Sag My Chiron 1.20 Scorpio/his Psyche 1.24 Scorpio My Sun 24.31 Aquarius/his Sappho 22 Aquarius
Draconic to Natal
My dr. Adonis 22.17 Taurus/his natal Venus 22.40 Taurus ( I love that one!) My natal Neptune 10.54 Scorpio/his Dr Moon 12.43 Scorpio
Kim - I think a Draconic Relationship report is a fabulous idea!
Adding this later on having looked at the declinations - there's a parallel in the 2 Draconic charts between Mercury (25 18N) and Neptune (25 14 N) which isn't reflected in the tropical synastry. I haven't spoken to this person but we exchanged a look which said a great deal, and I know we both understood it.
It's very tempting just to look at the good stuff. I'm going back into the dark (and the dark ages!) to look at the draconic chart for a relationship that didn't work - that's every bit as valuable!
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Post by ariesmoon on Jun 9, 2008 22:19:37 GMT
So here's the Draconic short story for the one that went South.
The relationship is almost uncannily mirrored in the Draconic connections. Natal Moon (his) at 3.03 Scorpio conjunct my Draconic Jupiter at 3.08 Scorpio - we started out the greatest of friends, and talked well into the night about everything under the sun. The deeper the subject the better. We absolutely loved talking to each other (the natal composite has Sun tightly conjunct Mercury in 3rd). There was definitely a physical pull towards each other with his Draconic Sun/Venus conjunct my Draconic Eros/Ascendant, and his Draconic Eros opposite my natal Mars (1 deg orb).
Despite that, getting involved physically was the beginning of the end because our fundamentally opposed ideas about fidelity got exposed VERY quickly. His Venus/Sun conjunction opposite Saturn, translates into Draconic Sun at 24 Capricorn, Venus at 27 Capricorn, with Saturn at 27 Cancer. That puts Venus tightly conjunct my Draconic Asc/Eros in the 12th, and Saturn equally tight conjunct my Draconic Desc in the 6th.
This relationship manifested in the workplace (we were both government administrators - Saturn in the 6th) and was kept secret (Sun/Venus in the 12th) - he didn't want anyone else to know about it. I found out why later - under the cloak of professionalism at work, it was in fact because I was one of several so-called "girlfriends" in different towns. Faithfulness was all important to me but not, apparently, to him.
Much self deception (on my part) followed - there's a conjunction between my natal Mars (20.40 Taurus) and his draconic Neptune (18.30 Taurus). I was smitten, he didn't seem at all bothered, and I kept up the illusion that everything was fine, deceiving myself but no-one else, long after it was dead and gone, because I couldn't face being alone and anything was better. I clung to it for a long, long time - which to me is shown by draconic Cancer on the Desc and conjunct his Saturn.
It's a long time ago in a galaxy far, far away. And I'm no longer bitter - I've long since accepted it as part of my life experience, and even thanked him for it very recently in my dreams. It showed me what I value. And we were fantastic friends. It's fascinating to look at it again with the Draconic zodiac.
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Post by primamateria on Jun 10, 2008 7:22:55 GMT
wow Ariesmoon... what a story.. amazing, isn't it, how these relationships involving infidelity teach us to be honest with ourselves, to have faith in ourselves. Neptune.. yikes, I've been there all right. Still, even when acknowledging the illusion, its good to remember that love is real. I'll be keeping an eye on draconic astrology from now on
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Post by ariesmoon on Jun 10, 2008 12:23:47 GMT
Thanks primamateria! It was love, no doubt about that, and no experience of love can ever be a waste. I definitely came out stronger. In the tropical chart I have Neptune bang square between my Venus/North Node and Saturn/South Node opposition, so learning to work with it has been a major challenge. As it was meant to be!
One thing I'm also looking at is how Draconic placements work alongside tropical composite charts. There's a school of thought that says you shouldn't do composite charts for relationships that haven't happened yet, or might never, if only because they build up expectations (or trash them!) Curiosity got the better of me as it always does. (And forewarned is forearmed - if I'd known this before I got into the other relationship, I'd have spotted that we both had tight Venus/Saturn oppositions and so that would show up, as would the Moon tightly conjunct Saturn.)
The tropical composite I would have with this "ideal world" guy has Venus at 1.36 Cancer, and the Moon at 2.18 Cancer. My Draconic Neptune is at 1.25 Cancer (tropical Sun at 4 Cancer). A, very romantic, rose-tinted aspect if ever I saw one ..! (Composite Saturn squares the lot reminding me that it ain't all roses and it would have to be worked for. I'm happy with that - some souls really are worth it). After ridiculing lovesongs and Valentine's Day for years I've become a great believer in romantic love - a healer I work with frequently said to me "love is the strongest force in the Universe - nothing can eclipse it" which has stayed with me.
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Post by psychick on Jun 13, 2008 21:46:49 GMT
I am in awe of how the Draconic charts reflect the nature of a synastry. I'm actually thinking about writing a 'Draconic Relationship Report'. I think the orbs need to be fairly tight but it's amazing how often they are! Warm wishes to you! Kim Fantastic idea Kim! I am totally into draconic synastry - l can't get enough of it. It took me days and days to work out all the draco/draco, draco/natal aspects (before astro put the option up!) and l was absolutely gobsmacked with the results: my dr venus conjunct his dr IC (0') his dr venus conjunct my dr IC (1') my dr valentine square his dr IC exact his dr valentine square his dr IC 3deg my mars opposes his venus (0) his pluto sextile my venus (0) Composite: Valentine/chiron conjunct DC (1) (in normal composite valentine is conj AC) venus conjunct IC My Dr isis opposes his N Osiris (0) His Dr Pluto opposes my N venus (0) His Dr kaali opposes my N siva (0) His Dr valentine opposes my N valentine (0) My Dr osiris opposes his N pluto (0)
I have to stop because i'm getting carried away! and there are so many exact aspects l could list
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Post by ariesmoon on Aug 30, 2008 9:28:38 GMT
This is an "off the wall" thought that came to me at 3 am when I couldn't sleep. I blame a Uranus transit! It's a synastry question and I just wondered if anyone else had tried it - taking the number of degrees separating the Node and Aries point in person A's chart and adding that number to person B's planets, moving them forward the same number of degrees to see where they fall in A's natal chart. To illustrate, I've done that with one particular chart, and two results were striking -
B's Saturn conjunct A's Sun by degree (05' of arc) B's Ascendant/Descendant axis conjunct A's South Node/North Node axis by 1 degree
There's also an exact conjunction of Neptune to Jupiter but given that Neptune is slow moving this would be true of anyone born around the same time. I think the Saturn to Sun/Ascendant to South Node ones are more significant, they seem to indicate strong ties between the two that are not apparent on the surface.
Something else to try!
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