Happiness together?

[diandra]

Hi everybody
well, i dont know very well how Horary works.Been reading other posts to try to find how the question is posted.

So, here´s the sinastry chart ( is the right chart to post)?



Im in Portugal, a city called Trofa, near Oporto (about 300km from Oporto).
the time is 15:12 PM (here in my country)

QUESTION: are we going to be happy together?

[AquarianEssence]

Hi Diandra. My atlas didn't have Trofa so I used Oporto which gives 13Libra rising. Is that close enough? Moon rules the hour which has no connection to Libra, so the chart isn't radical. But Moon is currently in Libra (peregrine) and Libra fits the subject so I think this chart is valid. Confirmation of this is added by using the asteroids since Juno is currently at 15Libra and Rx, coming back to the ascendant. What's interesting is that she opposes Ceres, the great mother. Moon also represents mother. Mars rules the quested. He's currently in Pisces who is very sensitive and can be quite dependent in some ways, rather than self sufficient. Now to the answer.

Venus, you, has finished her hard aspects, square to Uranus-Mars, opposing Jupiter, but still will oppose Pluto. She is now trine Juno and sextile Ceres. She makes no applying aspects to Mars, but she is in mutual reception with Mercury, they both receive dignity and eventually, Mercury will sextile Mars so in essence, Venus will through this reception. The moiety of orb for Mer. and Mars is only 7.5 degrees so they aren't close enough to give a yes to the question. But Mercury is conjunct Sun who has an orb of 11.5 degrees with Mars so, I believe this means that Mercury translates the energy to Sun who perfects the sextile with Mars. Someone please step in here if I'm wrong. By traditional rules, Mercury is debilated by being so close to the Sun but the way I look at it as it can bring intense light, clarification and enlightenment or one can be blinded by the light. We have a choice how to use any energy. That being said, a round about sextile (really round about) from Venus to Mars would give yes as the answer.

Moon, also your significator, is sextile Saturn who rules his 10th, status in society, and his 11th, hopes and goals. Saturn brings long term commitment. Saturn doesn't have dignity by sign, he may be immature in Leo, but does have some dignity by being in the 10th, almost in the 11th, his natural houses. If you would describe his either as being immature (which can improve with time) or dependant (drugs or other people) then I would say these are your cautions and issues you will face. If you wouldn't describe him in this way then this chart may be saying he wants to have a family with you. Mars has some struggles ahead of him though. He's completed his square with Venus but he's still square Jupiter and inconjunct Saturn. Jupiter, I see as the husband and Saturn gives responsibility and endurance along with self discipline. If he lacks that it may be a rough road. Mars is at a critical degree, a turning point of sorts. He has some essential dignity since he rules water by day. Mercury rules his face and Jupiter rules the terms of that degree. So even though he's square Jupiter, there may be a liking for that position if he's willing to meet Jupiter's terms. It's interesting how Jupiter is assigned rulership of two signs that are square to each other, the same with Mercury and Venus gets to do an inconjunct.

One final point, Venus is exalted in the sign where Mars sits, that's good too.

[diandra]

THank so much AquarianEssence,for your time spent to answer this

Im not very familiar woth Astrology but i do find it very interesting and often acurate!
I red very carefully your text.By what you´ve told me, there´s aspects saying no, and others saying yes?
He is very impulsive,but i dont find him imature for his age (24). And he´s not dependant of anything related to drugs , Thank God ...so, can i conclude that he wants to have a family with me? That´s so wonderfull!

I appreciatte so much this insight! I wish i knew better Astrology so that i can understand better its meanings .

[AquarianEssence]

You're welcome. You can learn a lot about horary at Skyscript.com, Deborah Houlding's site. By the way, the right chart to post for a horary is the chart for the time the question was asked. Then, post your initial findings or interpretation and any questions you have about the chart.

[diandra]

i went there but i cant find about horary..maybe i searched the wrong place on the site.

The chart you talked, the hour is the one of the place that we are,right? and not the one of the post on the forum?

If that´s right, the chart is this one:



Does the 1st question still stands? Besides of i already posted it with another chart?

[AquarianEssence]

Yes, you use your time and location. I must have had the wrong time zone so cancel all that I said. Sorry. I don't have the chart anymore so I can't look to see what happened.

Here is the horary section I mentioned. www.skyscript.co.uk/horary.html

Mercury and Moon are your significators, Jupiter is him. Neither body makes an applying aspect to Jupiter so its like there is no contact between you. Jupiter is square the nodes too. Does he seem resistant to long term commitment? My mistaken chart described the question better than this one. Virgo is more suited to health or work questions. Sun rules the hour of this chart and is peregrine in Virgo so the chart isn't radical. Many would say it's not fit to read to get a proper answer. Perhaps you can read some at the link I gave you. Then ask the question in a different way for a new chart. Sorry.

[diandra]

thankx for the site;i havent been on this link before

So, the chart isnt good for answering...i´ll post another with a different question,so.

To say the truth,he´s the one who´s willing to make the newt step to another high level of our relationship ( more faster than me)..he´s not resistant at all to a long term commitment

Our ways of beeing and many times of thought are very different,that´s why im worried more than him.
I realised ou already posted on a thread of mine, saying you could see why we 2 got together i guess there are couples who are attrachted to their opposites.

My question is: " will we be capable of making our relationship work along the time?"




For what i´ve red, here´s my probable part of analyse:

- im the querent, with the sifgnificator Moon ( cause the ruller of Asc Cancer is Moon)

- he´s the quesited ( my love),so we see the DC (7th house) ruller;which in this case is Saturn- ruller of Cap ( his significator)

- we have to study aspects between moon-saturn ( there´s none);
- have to study the 1st house planets and the 7th house planets.

- in the 7th kiron is making no aspect to moon, and an opposition to saturn..so it´s not good...

In general, does this all means that the vhart isnt valid again ( for the lack of aspects) or that the answer is no?

Thankx for the help

[AquarianEssence]

Such a late degree rising says you already know the answer. Moon is void of course, ie, she has made her last major aspect in Capricorn and is at rest. So most would say nothing will come of it, fitting with what you are saying. But it can also mean its very easy to overlook something, some information might be missing that you need to make a decision. The chart will pick up your energy whether it is conscious, or unconscious. Moon in Capricorn is said to be weakened, perhaps the effect you feel this relationship has on you? He, Saturn is in your house but you are in his 12th, coming close to his 1st. Do you feel you have to stifle yourself with him or that he denies your needs? The last aspect Moon made is sextile to Mars ruling the 5th and 10th, love and authority. Does he value an equal relationship or might he manipulate with actions or statements like, "If you loved me, you'd.."? Although the Moon is void of major aspects she is making an inconjunct to Pluto within 3 degrees. With the last apsect to Mars, and then to Pluto, sex comes to mind. Perhaps that is what holds the relationship together but it isn't all that's necessary for the long term. Hope this helps. You did a good job assessing your first horary. A lot of traditional horary astrologers won't read a chart if the rising degree is 27* or more, if the Moon is void or if Saturn is in the 7th, as they say that he hinders the astrologer being in the 7th. I was born with Moon void so if the shoe fits, I wear it, LOL. 3/4 of the horaries I cast are during a void.

[diandra]

Aquarian Essence thankx for the help. i do appreciate that.
I didnt knew the variables when it comes to consider valid or not a horary chart.
I saw on a forum today that we cant formulate the same question in horary if it´s less than 6 months passed??? is this true? its that ive posted it some weeks ago on a forum but no one responded,so i tried here...

Concerning my bf, he´s a bit selfish yes sometimes and doesnt consider my needs as i wanted him to do more often. he´s very warm and caring though and i know how im important to him. He knows how much i do for him and the effort to make this work.
Concerning sex, it´s important to us cause we find it one f our ways to express our feelings towards each other. The truth is that we are for now in a distance relatiõnship and i know that if were just only for sex, he would not be with me and vice versa but yeah, it´s not easy to deal with the distance (sometimes it´s easier, other times is harder)

[AquarianEssence]

It sounds like there are things you value about him and sex is important, just not the only consideration. If you share common goals and philosophies along with good sex, you have a good foundation.

Yes, they say that is a rule. It doesn't make sense to me though that if one poses a critical, time dependant question during a void Moon or very early/late ascendant that the universe, our loving God would say you can't ask again for 6 months. You could be dead by then if it was a health question. Sometimes, I'd like to say that to my children but I don't ignore them unless they are badgering me and I've already told them an answer. Perhaps, just in case you already got the answer with the 1st horary at the other forum, you could look at it again with your newly developing skills. Which forum is it on?

[diandra]

what you say really makes sense. But on it concerns to health and astrology i find it kind of scary cause i red once that the astrologer can predict the death of the querent? Well , as i said im yet not very familiar with the Astrolgy.Just starting to pick up some things along

Unfortunatelly, on that forum, no one gave me any answer...perhaps cause when i posted it, the chart was the sinastry and not the right one , but then yesterday i posted the right one and still ...no answer. That´s a good idea, im going to see it if i can manage soething out of it.
The forum is the one of the http://www.astro.com; on the "personal-please read my chart" - im the Deirdre

[diandra]

here´s the 1st horary chart to the question.

Of April 20th,at 11:00 am Trofa,near Santo Tirso, from 300 km of Porto



But i dont get it; the person responded me but said moon sextile saturn but in this one that doesnt happen!

The answer was not what i hoped for ( it´s kind of negative) and said that probably he´s interested in my money ( but i dont have any); that i must be careful for what i wish and if im sure i wanna connect to him

Of course i am cause we love each other

[AquarianEssence]

Yes, Moon is sextile saturn by 8degrees. They are probably saying that about your money because Saturn sits in your 2nd but that isn't the only meaning. Saturn there could also be making a statement about how you value him or something about his sexuality since it's in 8th of the 7th. What they may not have noticed is that Sun is void of course and rules the 2nd. Any body void can make it easy for something to be overlooked. In this case it was the fact that he couldn't be after your money if you don't have any, LOL. It will also help you to overlook any deficiencies your lover may have in that area since it rules the 8th of the partner.

The interception shows me there is an unresolved issue involving Taurus/Scorpio connected to a deficiency in self esteem, perhaps connected to sexuality that is projected onto the thinking or things that are said. One thing that comes to mind is the size of genitalia (very large or small) or something making one self conscious, which can interfere and cause problems with self esteem. The other thing this interception could be about is blending love and sex, enjoying each other deeply and completely. Saturn gets a bad wrap being in Leo but it could contributing to lasting love, deep commitment. He can be the authority when it comes to lovemaking, regardless of size, former experience or anything else. Both are things that can be overcome easily.

Moon sextile Saturn says yes to a long term commitment. You may need to work on communication skills, whether that is keeping the love alive while there is distance between you or needing to communicate to him what you like in your love play while building his self esteem there. There can be a lot of passion there, especially with Scorpio in the 5th if you relax and open up to share your secrets.

[AquarianEssence]

I should add too that Moon's last aspect is an opposition to Pluto. Since he rules the Scorpio interception that could either be a manipulative power play or a way to find compromise and stand in your power. It's up to how you both use the energies. Oppositions can either be a battle or a way to find peace together. Really, I think this chart just supports what I saw in the other one. I read your post at astro.com. I didn't realize they had a forum. As to your last comment there, you only posted the same chart here, didn't ask the same thing twice, just asked for input from two places, so that's fine. The universe is more forgiving than we might think.

[diandra]

oh, i must have confused the questions and thought they were similar and with the same objective, and so..thought the 6 month thing applied

I must say that you are quite amazing analising this, you found out some things concerned an important issue:sexuality.

Since a few time , i ´ve been having some problems when we make love.i ´ve got an health problem 8 on my uterus) that makes me desconfortable sometimes when we are intimate.it´s not a big thing ( i already went to the ginecologist) but it interferes with this issue cause sometimes it dont let us be totally free.
I find it quite odd speaking of this here ( im a virgo sun) hihihi
i had the feeling he sometimes is afraid of hurting me ( let´s say God gave him a blessed all body) the doctor said for now ( im with medications) we cant be too agressive or free when lovemaking.
i dint knew thought, his self-esteem would be diminuesh ( his).
Well, im a lot better and my secrets are safe with him, i trust him and know he wants me to be more open to him ( said ot me last time together).

yeah, tehre´s some power struggles here between us,that´s a thing we must work out and i´ve already talked to him about it.

im enjoying this change of ideas, im learning also many things!
Astro has a forum since a few weeks ago,it´s interesting to read.

Thankx Aquarian