Measurement of Time in Horary Charts

[Amoroso]

Could someone move Kim's chart from "When will we sell the house?" to this thread? I have been trying to move it over and am totally computer-challenged this a.m.

Here is my question:

The moon is in a Fixed Sign in a Succulent House, trine Mercury, which is in a Cardinal Sign in an Angular House.

If both planets are significant to the question asked, how do I apply the chart Kim posted? Don't get it.

Thanks,
Amoroso

[Amoroso]

Hi Svenskasfinx,

Thanks, but this is not what I meant--so sorry, of course I should've know "chart" would mean the astrology chart!!! I meant the list that Kim posted on that thread which described Time measurement in Horary with Fixed, Mutable, etc. to Angular, Succedant, etc.

So now, for this thread to make any sense, your posting needs to be deleted and that other listing added. Sorry for my miscommunication.

Feeling foolish!
Amoroso

[svenskasfinx]

Repost from Kim's Quote:

Here are the rules for the measurement of time in Horary Charts: (from Ivy Goldstien Jacobson's Simplified Horary Astrology, (1947) Pasadena, CA.

• Cardinal Signs and Houses
  • Angular = Days
    
  • Succedent=weeks
    
  • Cadent=months
    
  
  
• Mutable Signs and Houses
  • Angular=Weeks
    
  • Succedent=Months
    
  • Cadent=Years
    
  
  
• Fixed Signs and Houses
  
  • Angular=Months
    
  • Succedent=Years
    
  • Cadent=unknown time
    
  
  

Ok this is the list from the "when am I going to sell the house" thread.

best wishes,

svensksfinx

[Kim Falconer]

What's the question again? What horoscope are we looking at?

(Timing can be tricky...it depends on what rules what). Point me to the chart in question and I'll see if I can make more sense of the timing.

Kim

[Amoroso]

"Here is my question, (from a chart I have not posted)

The moon is in a Fixed Sign in a Succulent House, trine Mercury, which is in a Cardinal Sign in an Angular House.

If both planets are significant to the question asked, how do I apply the "rules for measurement" that Kim posted? Don't get it.

Thanks, Svenskasfinx, for posting these rules on this thread!

Amoroso

[Amoroso]

SUCCELENT HOUSE!!!! HA HA! I meant Succedent House. Oh, that's too funny!

Do you need the chart. Kim, to answer the question?

Succelently,
Amoroso

[Kim Falconer]

I would need the chart. It depends on what the moon is ruling (is she co-ruler or actual ruler) and 'who' mercury is---and what the application it by degree. Mercury says 'days' and the moon (succulently lol) says years! I'd have to sus the question in this case. That fix moon isn't doing anything too quick, that's for sure!

Kim

[Amoroso]

Dear Kim et all,

I am sorry to say I have bungled this thread. Tonight I deleted any chart that has to do with C, because I am trying to move on with things in a constructive way and peering at charts just enflames me. I deleted the chart in question.

But in typical Gemini fashion I am still curious and still trying to decipher horary timing, and so I asked another question about C. Here's the chart

i17.photobucket.com/albums/b61/RealAmoroso/Seeagainchart.gif

Now, Kim, this is the first time I have actually asked this question. I have been focused on when and if I might hear from him after the letter I sent. So I think the timing on this question is reliable.

From your last response, it sounds like planets also have times assigned to them?

Thanks,
Amoroso

[stellaarcana]

amoroso said:

Dear Kim et all,

I am sorry to say I have bungled this thread. Tonight I deleted any chart that has to do with C, because I am trying to move on with things in a constructive way and peering at charts just enflames me. I deleted the chart in question.

Hi Amoroso

Sorry to sidetrack your thread but can you put this sudden trying to move on from C down to any planetary transit in particular?

The reason I ask is that I have had a parallel experience in the past few days. I was tearing up photos not deleting charts though....I've done the chart deleting thing in the past (the astrologer in me now regrets the hasty chart deletions!)

I so feel for you right now, I can sense exactly what you are going through from my own experience It can be so hard to move on when there's no satisfying closure on the situation. I'm finding my anxiety levels have reduced markedly since I've made a sincere effort to move on, but some parts of me are still finding it very hard to let go and wishing things could be otherwise.

Hugs
S.A.

[Amoroso]

Dear S.A.,

Thanks for your question! I moved it to another thread.
Amoroso

[Kim Falconer]

Amoroso,

In this case, ‘when will we see each other again’, you are ruled by Mercury (apt) and co-ruled by the Moon (always). He is ruled by Jupiter/Neptune.

To answer “When”, we take time (in degrees as per the above table) it takes your ruler to complete the aspect with his. This can be Mercury moving to complete the square with Jupiter (not Neptune because it is separating from that aspect) OR for the Moon to complete the trine to Neptune and/or Jupiter. That there is a grand trine between the three tells me there will be some form of meeting, if not in ‘real’ life then in the dream world. (Neptune and Jupiter natural rulers of the dream 12th).

Let’s map it out then:

Mercury squares Jupiter in 3 degrees (cardinal/angular-Succedent) That’s a time of 3 days or 3 weeks from the asking of the question) Did you meet within that time frame?

Moon trines Neptune in less than 1 degree Mutable cadent/Mutable suceedent (both equate to years) That’s a time of “less than one year”.

Moon trines Jupiter in 5 degrees of mutable cadent /cardinal succedent –5 years/5 weeks.

You may ‘see each other again’ in:

The first 3 weeks of February 05
Within the year of 2005
In the end of Feb-early March 05
And in 2010

Does that make sense?

More on this PM

Kim

[Amoroso]

Kim et All,

This is SO crazy. I thought I had created a chart asking the question on JULY 20, not January 20th!!!!

So, the chart which I posted was correct! I last saw C twice in March, 2005. So your timing instructions were right on. And I think the meeting was a classic Neptunian one. We both felt hit upside the head after we met, I am sure. I am going to look at them closely and try to apply them to this next chart.

Here is the chart which reflects the question again, as of tonight.

i17.photobucket.com/albums/b61/RealAmoroso/Currentwhenwillweseeeachotheragain.gif

Ok, so I am ruled by Saturn, Uranus and the Moon. He is ruled by the Sun.

There seem to be no aspects from Sun to Uranus.
The Sun will be conjunct Saturn when? One day?
The Moon to Sun--huh?

Saturn is in a fixed sign in a cadent house
The Sun is in a Cardinal sign in a cadent house
the Moon is in a fixed sign in a cadent house

According to the rules you posted, Fixed sings in Cadent houses reveal "unknown time."
Well, there are a lot of holes here, but it's a start. Comments, anyone?

Blessings,
Amoroso

[Amoroso]

Also, Saturn is "under the sunbeams." How does that effect Saturn, especially in terms of "timing," since that is what we are discussing?

Amoroso

[svenskasfinx]

juliet said:

Hi all!
When I click on the Photobucket link I see a chart, but an extremely vague one, in which I cannot decipher anything. Is something wrong? Can someone help me??
Seem to be asking lots of help nowadays. My oh my, healthy for my Cap moon!
Thanks!
Juliet

Dear Juliet,

I understand, the fact is that on some programs the linked images appear smaller than they are, and when you run your curser over them you are given an orange square icon which helps expand the image to presentable size...(there is nothing wrong with you!!!!)

I have something that could help though... I'll just post it here:


I hope this makes it easier now you can read it.. with that lovely Moon conjunct the MC!!

take care,

svenskasfinx

[Juliet]

Great Svenska!! Many thanks!