Pallas in synastry

[Juliet]

For another thread I did some research in my love-archives, and found out something that got me curious:

While checking transits for the time major relationships started, I again noticed the importance of especially the asteroids, and most often Juno, Psyche, Ceres and Vesta (far more then Eros, exept for last one), but also saw transiting Pallas exactly on natal Mercury when I met the two last ones.
Moreover:
My last love had his Pallas widely conjunct my Mercury in 8.
The first one exactly on it, and the father of my kids has his Pallas opposite my Mercury.

There is no other common aspect. And I only have it with the 3 men I was seriously involved with. In all three cases, it was love at very (dark/night) sight! Just an enormous sense of rightness/instant bonding.

I remember I once wrote that my last lover was very sensitive to transits of and to Pallas.

Pallas and Merury are generally not so emphasized in synastry, but for me they seem to be of the utmost importance!

Juno or/and Pallas on my NN seems important in friendships, I share that with lots of friends, especially with my latest friends, and my last bf.

What is it about Pallas that I need? Is it the father complex that haunts me? The intuitive side of Pallas, which seems to fit the aspect conjunction/opposition to Mercury in 8 and its half square to natal Uranus in 7?
Any observations of your own?? Would love to read them!
Thanks, and love,
Juliet

[AquarianEssence]

Pallas is known to be the creation of only one parent, the opposite sex parent. I believe she found a man innocent of a crime when he killed his mother. She would do almost anything to please daddy, even denying her own femininity. In her myth we have the duality of creator and created, the obvious denial of duality in self and the necessity to emphasize on side of self to accomplish a role. She had to assert a more masculine nature in order to be the warrior. Remember she had Medusa's head on her sheild used to protect herself. From another slant, she could represent ideas that spring from our head, the source not human, but divine, being born through a single human channel.

Merury also represents a dual nature. We usually think of the twins as both male but I often think of Gemini as as Isis and Osiris, soul mates and other pairs of this nature. This might have a connection with the theme of Pallas.

[primamateria]

dear J,
I have a book on Pallas Athene, and will check it before I post again later... in the meantime, some ideas as to why this asteroid is important in your synastry/relationships...

She's less than two degrees conjunct your Pars Fortunae (I found this as quite important in synastry); and conjunct your IC - so fundamental to your emotional security.

love and blessings - pm (with Sun on your Pallas )

[Juliet]

Thanks for thinking along, dear friends!

Jade, don't you remember when you met your ex-husband??
I'm glad the friction made you change.
And ha, I've been guilty of attempts at molding in all my relationships!
Aqua, I was devoted to my dad when a child and the divorce of my parents meant he divorced me too! My dad had quite a developed female side, and was the one to cuddle us, do all the shopping even. My mom was not physical at all, and I am, always have been.
Initially I chose the same profession as he had. Our relationship was really shaky in my teen years when I started to reject him violently! It took some time before he passed my tests and then he died of cancer.
These last years have seen me moving more to my feminine side and my very own direction. I only started wearing skirts and dresses two years ago, and that was a side effect of consciously relying less on my strong, extremely supportive side: J, the ex-Rock. A role which made me very lonely.

Thanks for attending me to the dual side of both P and M.
Prima, Pallas-pall: yes, conjunct your Sun and my IC and POF and SN and in 3, the house of Mercury. And conjunct my dad's Sun too!!
Oh, wow, I'd never checked his Pallas and it is retro and conjunct my MC/NN. ;)

Love, Juliet

[Amoroso]

HI Juliet,

What an interesting thread, been pondering it. Natally my Pallas is conjunct my Mars by 1 degree, so I'd say my concept of her is extremely tied up with my concept of men in general.

So it is not surprising that my husband has Mars exactly sextile his Pallas, and C has Mars conjunct Pallas also!

In astrology I think she symbolizes ones ability to plan, make goals, strategize, and shows inner strength and confidence in our own abilities. Another way of looking at her is that she made her way in a man's world using her brains and beat them at their own game. When the Romans took over, female spiritual energy took a huge beating, and Pallas is a remnant of some goddess (will have to look it up) who survivied by "playing the game."

I think in synastry she must have something to do with how someone can contribute to our plans, goals, move us along in the direction we want to go.

On our wedding day and time, Pallas was at 12 Capricorn, conjunct our composite Black Moon Lilith (12 Capricorn) and Eros (10 Capricorn) in the 5th!!!

With C, every major meeting had exact connections to our natals and composite. The day I know I really fell in soul love with this guy (I am 50 and been in love twice in my life, so I am telling you, this was real), Pallas was exact square to his vertex in the 5th, exact square to my Mercury in the 8th and sextile our composite Black Moon Lilith in Scorpio! whew.

Take care,
Amoroso

[AquarianEssence]

Pallas can also show what we're willing to do to please, sort of like Amor, what we're willing to do in the name of love. I think in her most positive form, she represents being willing and able to embrace the opposite gender from our physical body along with showing the importance of the opposite sex parent in preparing a child for adult relationships. For a woman it is really imortant for survival to be able to take on the male role or embrase our masculine nature when necessary for accomplishment and protection.

[Juliet]

So Amoroso, you mean these Pallas transits indicate something like the materializing of the road we are supposed to take/synchronicity?? You were meant to have a shared road together, and the Pallas transit is when the destined meeting or ceremony took place, do you mean something like that???

Discovered another thing: when we first kissed, transiting NN was on composite Pallas, which is directly opp last love's Sun.

There is more that ties Pallas to my animus and anima: there's a grand trine with Moon and Sun and POF/Pallas, in respectively Cap/Vir and Tau, but it does not aspect my Mercury...

Love, Juliet

[Kim Falconer]

Juliet & everyone,

This is insightful work on Pallas…I have her conjunct my Ascendant exact (on Regulas) and I don’t think it is surprising that I do a martial art with the sword! I’m going to have another look at Pallas in my synastries…I can think of a few off the top of my head were she has been mutually dominate.

Amoroso, the idea of Pallas as synchronicity...the spark or connection that can 'move us along to our goal' is brilliant. An indication of someone on a mutual path…same plan?

Apollodorus had this to say of her. He certainly felt she was a support to cherish.

Ah, would that flashing-eyed Athena might choose to love thee even as then she cared exceedingly for glorious Odysseus [220] in the land of the Trojans, where we Achaeans suffered woes.

For never yet have I seen the gods so manifestly shewing love, as Pallas Athena did to him, standing manifest by his side. If she would be pleased to love thee in such wise and would care for thee at heart, then would many a one of them utterly forget marriage.” –Apollodorus

More on this soon!

Thanks!
Kim

[Amoroso]

Kim wrote:

"...the idea of Pallas as synchronicity...the spark or connection that can 'move us along to our goal' is brilliant. An indication of someone on a mutual path…same plan?"

Yes, this is where her symbolism as both Wisdom (Intuition) and Battle Planner come together. Our Higher Selves (Wisdom) know the path me need to forge, and when we meet someone that will move us along that path, we get a "connection." This ties in with some of what Aqua. has mentioned, because I think this is all tied into survival in a patriarchal society. We learn to move along our path in the outer world by what we inherit or learn from our father or principle male figure in life.

This is different than the NN,--how one can grow spiritually and evolutionarily--is that a word??? gosh what a cool thread.

Amoroso

[Juliet]

And where is the guy's Pallas?? Opposite my Mercury!
And the first kiss was when the Moon was very much VOC in Cancer... exactly on his natal Venus.
For starting relationships (maybe premature here) under VOC Moons:
erosastrology.proboards26.com/index.cgi?board=Event&action=display&thread=1154008773

[Juliet]

Just checked the synastry between my lover/bf ())) and me, and he has his Mercury ON my Pallas/IC conjunction!
This is so weird, since this configuration seems to be the one constant aspect in my relationships!
I'm too tired to elaborate now, maybe later!
Love to you all,
Juliet (happy)

[Aphrodite]

This is a very interesting thread! Juliet, that Pallas/IC conjunct Mercury aspect caught my eye and reminded me of something.

My lover/bf Sun/Amor/Pallas conjunction in his 1st house is conjunct my Moon in 5th house. We both have the fates Lachesis and I have Klotho wrapped up in this conjunction, too. But now that I think about it, my Moon is square my 8th house Gemini Mercury/Juno/Child (he has six children from two previous marriages!) and his #881 Athene is just 3 degrees away from that! All this lands in his 4th house. The symbolism for all this is pretty clear to me - EXCEPT for the Pallas and Athene connections.

So here I am trying to figure it all out and I refer to the composite chart. In our composite chart, Pallas in the 4th house forms a grand trine with Uranus in the 8th and Jupiter in the 12th conjunct the ascendant. Saturn squares Pallas from the 1st house. Aha!

Now, from all these clues, can anyone guess what we do for a living?

I'll be back with the answer later. ;D

P.S. Kim, you know me. You did a reading for me and my new bf a few weeks ago. Great stuff!

[Kim Falconer]

I remember those Sun/Moon conjunctions!

Glad to see you on the forum!

And yes, Pallas can be tricky to figure out--I think that is her strategy: to get us thinking! But as Juliet says, she does seem to link to significant relationships.

I have my hunch about what you two do for a living--but I can't recall if it's from the charts or you've told me!! I'll wait for your answer here.

Warmly,
Kim

[Aphrodite]

Thanks Kim. I am glad to be here! By the way... I loved the readings that you did. That is such a wonderful talent ( GIFT! ) that you have. You are an amazing person!

I've really been struggling with Pallas interpretations, but I think I'm getting closer now. Thanks to Juliet and Amoroso. I kept trying to figure out why Pallas figures so prominently in synastry when it doesn't seem to have much to do with love or romance. I had to broaden my thinking a bit before it began to make sense.

Finally, when I looked at our composite chart, something clicked in my mind. Pallas in the composite 4th house initially focused me on our (possible future) home, family and roots. However, I seem to remember that the 4th house can also represent our "home"land. If that is true, then for us, Pallas in aspect to Jupiter and Uranus seems to describe our work perfectly. Due to our other synastry aspects, I suspect there is much more to it, and if/when we do establish a home/family together, whatever that is will be revealed. Though, for now, the work connection seems clear.

Ok, here's the answer: We have both served in and for the army, in various capacities (military and civilian) for our entire adult lives. He and I currently work for the army as management analysts.

So Kim, what say you now? How did you do with your hunch?

[Juliet]

I'll have to read and reread this thread. Sorry, I'm so in love my head spins, so I'm bad at any intelligent observation right now. Just checked the meeting chart and transiting Pallas was on his natal Pallas. This cannot be coincidence! Transiting NN on composite Pallas. Going to see him in a couple of hours. Again!