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Post by stargrazer on Jan 17, 2006 15:50:03 GMT
Hi everyone, I was posting here a while ago and I'm glad to see things are still as active as ever. I would just like to know, in your opinion, if the Mars/Venus conjunction is all it's cracked up to be? I know someone whose Venus is conjunct my Mars (in Scorpio) and it has always seemed to be a unique situation. There are other interesting elements, from what I can see, such as my Venus trine his sun and his Mars trine my sun. And in my chart, Venus is opposed my moon; while in his own chart, his Mars is opposed his moon. As I look at synastry charts (re: people I know), I find more and more patterns, though nothing specific, just patterns in the basic synastry. Does anyone else find this to be the case? Best, J
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Post by Amoroso on Jan 18, 2006 21:22:25 GMT
Dear SG,
We may have a thread on Mars/Venus--I remember talking about this sometime in the past year.
My only experience with the Mars/Venus conjunction is with my husband. The conjunction is wide for these planets--8 degrees--probably the widest orb allowed--and it is an out of sign conjunction (Aquarius and Pisces.) That means the planets don't really understand each other but they don't care. The attraction is potent at a very concrete level.
But there are different kinds of attraction--not all are sexual. My brother and his son have a Venus/Mars conjunction in fifth house Capricorn and they get along beautifully and play lots of sports together.
Blessings, Amoroso
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Post by samina on Feb 1, 2006 4:56:05 GMT
Oh -- I just finished a comment on Mars conjunct Venus in the "composite chart questions" thread. I had that in Gemini with a fave BF and it was just yummyyummyyummy! LOL
samina
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Post by edirbyrreg on Feb 12, 2006 18:28:38 GMT
Hi there! I can say that I am not aroused by anyone who I do not share either a Venus/Mars conjunction or Venus/Mars opposition with.
I'll tell you something else as well. There is a little known and amazing technique called Persona Charts which you can read about on astro.com. In my research, I will often see few to no Venus-Mars contacts in synastry, so I will check out each person's Venus and Mars Persona charts. And Venus/Mars conjunctions/oppositions are inevitably found.
For example: If John has a Scorpio Venus and Gemini Mars and Sue has a Cancer Venus and Libra Mars, then yes, these two people have some compatability as their Venus' and Mars' trine each other. But nothing to signify a great attraction. When I looked at their individual Persona Charts for these planets... Sue's Mars P Chart Mars was in Scorpio and John's Mars P chart Mars was in Cancer.
I have done this research with men who I have been attracted to and the same applies. No cross-aspects between Venus and Mars in our Sun charts but when the Persona charts come into play... BAM.
Hope this helps. Let me know if you have any further questions. When you go to astro.com, you will see along the left hand side a link, Advanced Astrology Articles. Click on Persona Charts. To see your own Persona Charts, go back to the main page. Click on Free Charts. Scroll down until you see the link, Extended Chart Selection. Under the heading, "select the type of chart you want" you will find "Nine Persona Charts". Enjoy!
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Post by Kim Falconer on Feb 12, 2006 22:00:46 GMT
Hi Edirbyrreg, and welcome back to the forum! I'm glad you like the new look of it, and my site. Thanks for the link and infor for the persona charts at Astrodeinst. Can you describe briefly what they are based on here, if you get a chance? Harmonics? Who established this work? I think it's good to look at Mars and Venus, of course, in synastry. I also think there is often much more to attraction that these two personal planets alone. You’d be surprised, for example, how often SATURN plays a significant role in attraction (Luneriviera, are you listening??? Richard Idemon said that the main force of attraction we have is to our own patterns! We stay in our own ground by engaging with those who reinforce it...so of course, when someone lights up our personal planets we are going to beam brightly! Yet these relationships may not move us past the security of the familiar. I suspect this is where Eros comes in. He symbolizes the erotic (in the ancient Greek sense of the word) energy that takes us beyond security and into risk...into psychic growth. Of course, this can happen quite aptly with a Ve/Ma conjunction, if there are outer planet and Eros contacts as well (especially Pluto, for example!) It all brings up the difference between compatibility for security and safety and compatibility for psychic growth. Neither is 'right' or 'better' than the other...just different! Thanks again for the insights, Edirbyrreg. Kim
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Post by lunariviera on Feb 12, 2006 22:37:37 GMT
Hi Edirbyrreg, and welcome back I think it's good to look at Mars and Venus, of course, in synastry. I also think there is often much more to attraction that these two personal planets alone. You’d be surprised, for example, how often SATURN plays a significant role in attraction (Luneriviera, are you listening??? Kim I'm listening!!!... Recently, I was reading Stephen Arroyo's highly insightful, "Astrology, Karma, & Transformation"...and he talks about the role of Saturn in synastry...especially when one partner's Saturn makes a significant aspect to another person's personal planets or ASC...a game of hide and seek starts to emerge...there's an undeniable fascination that is so intense that the two people are drawn together...but the karmic force can be so profound at times, that one of the partners involved will want to run from the relationship because there's a sense that there's a great deal of karmic "work" to be done... Here's a passage that speaks to what I'm referring to: "Saturn's interaspects with personal planets or the Ascendant often manifest at first encounter as a feeling of caution about the other person. Usually, it is the person whose personal planet or Ascendant is involved in the aspect who is cautious and even fearful of entering into a relationship with the Saturn person, as if he or she senses subconsciously that there is some intense karma to work out with that person. Avoidance of the relationship, or even an attempt to run away from it entirely, is thus quite common in the initial stages of the encounter. However, once this initial hesitation is overcome and the person enters into the relationship actively, there is often a feeling of extremely deep security on the part of both people"So in relation to this topic, I think you bring up a terrific point Kim...I honestly suspect that Venus-Mars contacts must therefore be aided by Saturn in someway to further cement a union or partnership...you've got the tremendous physicality and visceral attraction of Venus/Mars...but Saturn becomes the contract that binds the relationship...afterall, Saturn is exalted in Libra...
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Post by gemstar on Feb 13, 2006 15:20:48 GMT
Thank you for the wonderful post on Saturn luneriviera! I am a huge fan of Saturn contacts in synastry and feel that they are soooo important.
My personal opinion is that too many people put the huge emphasis on Venus-Mars...and somehow base their relationship on the more 'physical' realm. It is here that many people seem to hinge on whether it is a 'go' or not. Almost like confusing 'good sex' equaling 'love'. There is a REALLY big difference and staying at that 'base' level of physical as a barometer is usually a mistake.
How many times have you seen a relationship cool off after the initial physical excitement slows down? Or if not, people who have relationships that do not really work in other areas beyond the bedroom....?? (Many times these people just do not seem to 'get it' and think if the physical is good, then everything else will fall into place.....What a way to blind yourself!!) While Mars-Venus aspects are only one of many motivating contacts, Saturn is ever-so-important for the longevity of the couple.
Ultimately people want that deep security in their love lives and looking for the important Saturn aspects will usually point in that direction.....physical contacts like Mars with Venus or Sun are additive but do not necessarily equate to real Love! Bring on the Saturn!!
Hugs- GemStar
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Post by jamma on Feb 13, 2006 21:48:03 GMT
I checked out the Persona chart under "Advanced Astrology Articles" at astrodienst ... here's the link and a brief explanation of what a Personal chart is: "In technical terms: A Persona Chart is the chart for the first transit of the Sun over the position of another natal planet. All Persona Charts 'happen' within the first year after a person's birth, when the Sun makes its first circle around it, and 'wakes up' one subpersona after the other."www.astro.com/astrology/in_pers_p_e.htmI can see a kind of logic to it, especially for those of us who feel there are many warring energies inside us (you should hear the arguments!) ... Also, I'm wondering if it could help with Yods -- a way to get in touch with the apex planet on his "home turf" ?? The synastry aspects Edirbyrreg mentions sound intriguing, too -- maybe it will 'splain some things ... J
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Post by blueorchids on Feb 15, 2006 1:46:57 GMT
I merely wanted to say that I agree with GemStar. I have looked at may longest term, most intimate relationships and they all have three planets/aspects substantially involved: Saturn, Chiron and Pluto. I do have Mars Venus contacts but they are not the highlight of my contacts. I should also say that for some odd reason though I do not have a pluto venus aspect in my own chart the synastry in most of my relationships have Venus/Pluto contacts. I have actually been married to a man for 15 years whose Pluto Squares my Venus and my situation with Doc, my Pluto opposes his Venus (hehas this natally as well).
I am also surprised by the number of squares and oppositions clearly needed to sustain me. LOL....
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Post by samina on Feb 16, 2006 20:31:05 GMT
What you guys are saying about Saturn makes a lot of sense ot me. Probably the appeal of different energy has a lot to do with what's in the natal charts, too. I have a strong Saturn, Uranus, and Pluto energies, and I definitely really dig complex connections with strong support and lots of electricity and sizzle.
I definitely appreciate a good Mars conjunct Venus for its ease of chemistry, but there's something to be said for adding in some other deeper contacts.
I was thinking today what the following contact would be like -- definitely highly charged! Anybody ever had something like this in synastry before: His Jupiter in Cancer conjunct Mars in Gemini conjunct my Sun in Cancer & Venus in Gemini (and also my Cancer NN & MC). My Venus at 27Gem31 is approaching an opposition from Pluto right now, which would stimulate his Mars at the same time. Now, that just strikes me as unbelieveably hot! LOL
Wouldn't it be something if an enormous databank allowed us to plug in certain parameters and find people who matched them? I'd be so curious to see what the sort of connection above would be like...
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Post by lubenica on May 10, 2006 21:08:41 GMT
Oh, Saturn conjunct Mars, in my experience = pure physical chemistry. Irressistible, and long-term sex attraction, especially if other aspects are also involved (Venus-Mars or Venus-Pluto).
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Post by alisa on May 14, 2006 21:10:08 GMT
edirbyrreg,
Are you still around? Should we compare my Mar chart with his Mar chart, my Venus chart with his Venus chart only? Should we also compare my Venus chart with his Mar chart too?
I and him do not have venus/mar aspect in synastry. However, his Venus and my Mar conjunct in Mar chart. His Venus squares my Mar in Venus chart. Are these aspects the things you are talking about?
We have Venus trine Saturn Double Whammies. What do you think about that? For me, I could not let go my feeling. We tried to stop seeing each other many times. However, we have to reunion again and again. Anyway, our relationship is still be friend. I am not sure Saturn is good or bad in this relationship. Any thought on this?
Alisa
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Post by ana on May 31, 2006 14:07:12 GMT
I have done a lot of looking at Mars/Venus and it is very common in marriages and long term rels. and I have found that in a break up you can almost guarantee that the person who is not receiving a Mars aspect to their Venus is the one who has wanted to leave The Mars to Venus seems to keep a person feeling secure and happy When I did all this looking at it asteroids were not on the radar It is definitely not enuf to keep a relationship going on its own It makes for a lovely energy flow and spontaneity in any sort of friendship For me I like a Mars/Venus conj or trine as part of the recipe in a Partnership Pie but I am not too keen on the opp from experience as I prefer harmony to fireworks any time My daughter has landed a Mars/Venus trine one way and a Mars/Venus opp the other in her first proper relationship and they seem to have a wonderful relationship where they really deal with their issues as they go along have great trust and have matured so much together They also have a Sun opp - 5 yrs so far and they are only 22/23
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Post by lubenica on May 31, 2006 16:38:00 GMT
I looooveee Venus opposition Mars in synastry,
HOT, HOT, HOT. Pure fireworks and animal magnetism, as ana says, but if there is a trine in composite, even better. For me, the opposition magnetism was stronger than the conjunction, just my personal experiance (mind you, it was less then 1 degree opposition, so very strong).
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Post by blueorchids on May 31, 2006 18:56:27 GMT
Lubenica I have that Mars/ Venus aspect in the SQUARE with Doc. It's insane ridiculous for magnetism.
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