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Post by anitalee on Apr 14, 2005 15:42:09 GMT
Is it favourable in a chart e.g. for marriage when one person has Juno (Scorpio) 4th house in opposition to the others Jupiter exactly (Taurus) in 10th? Would be grateful for any insight into this aspect.
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Post by anitalee on Apr 15, 2005 11:30:17 GMT
Is there no one out there who can answer this for me? Or are you just an unfriendly lot???
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LeYeL
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Post by LeYeL on Apr 15, 2005 16:21:20 GMT
Anitalee, Not at all, I think this is one of the most friendly and caring forums out there. Also one of the more intelligent. Just hang in there and do a bump if you don't get an answer soon, since everyone is really busy with life in general. I popped in for my daily read and got waylaid on another thread. I am REALLY behind in preparing for company coming, but I will try and log on tonight when I get a breather and answer this one for you. I am sure others will have posted or will get to you soon, so don't despair Best regards, LeYeL
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Post by Kim Falconer on Apr 16, 2005 1:57:20 GMT
Hello Anitalee,
Welcome to the forum. You may find that most active members read the posts every day or so and many, including myself, only have time to respond to one or two threads as a time. I read them all, every few days. I don’t think anyone intended to be unfriendly or overlook you.
I am glad you have posted this question. Juno/Jupiter is an interesting dynamic.
First up, the opposition aspects tells us they are the same modality—they have the same form of motion and in this case, it is fixed.
The fixed signs are about stability and tenacity. Taurus stabilizes on a material level where Leo represents unwavering creativity and self-expression. Scorpio perseveres emotionally, and Aquarius represents immovable intellect and conceptualization.
And here we have a Fixed opposition:
The opposition indicates a contrast of needs, values and drives. Traditionally it represents separation, conflict and the disparity of divergent goals. The objectivity implied in an opposition is the formation of a cooperative partnership, the uniting in some equitable way of two opposites. The path to that objective, however, often leads through a battlefield of differentiation.
The strife of an opposition is not necessarily active because the planets themselves are in conflict but because the signs usually are. It is a positional dilemma. In the case of Juno and Jupiter/Taurus-Scorpio, it is an energy dilemma as well!
Think of Taurus/Scorpio like this: The way up is the way down.--Heracleitus These two signs are traditionally ruled by Venus and Mars/Pluto respectively. (if you want an insight to these two rulers, read the current thread on “Venus/Pluto synastry”) The polarity involved is “the love verse power over” dilemma in that Taurus yearns for peace at the expense of change and Scorpio yearns for change at the expense of peace. Taurus, in this sense, is passive and Scorpio ruthlessly active.
Now, Jupiter in Taurus wants to expand the sense, the comfort, the home surrounding, the luxury. They explore “on foot” if you know what I mean, step by step, touching everything, tasting everything, missing nothing. In the 10th, there is a heightened ambition, with not nearly the angst of Saturn. It’s a powerful attracting force. When someone comes along with their Natal Juno in opposition, it is like having that Jupiter transited by Juno, ALL THE TIME.
In this way, we say that people are like permanent transits.
Juno and Jupiter want different things. Jupiter is busy, popular, successful and “out there” (if he is expressing freely). He likes a little bit of everything, the more the merrier. He likes the doors open.
Juno in Scorpio in the 4th likes the doors closed. She is interested in intense emotional intimacy, commitment and cloistering. Read about Jupiter and Juno (Hera and Zeus.) He was forever chasing after all kinds of adventure and she was forever dragging him back!
This is not necessarily a reflection of these two planets in synastry aspect, though it is worth reading up on.
Your question, “Is it favorable…” is very close to asking “Is this good…?” Again, astrology makes no value judgments (though some astrologers do!) and it is best to start looking at the nature of the signs, planets and houses as just that…”Energy, just as it is.”<br> What is this good or favorable for? Now that is a more creative question.
I think this polarity in the synastry chart may act like permanent transits meaning being together wakes up the 10th /Taurus in one person and the 4th /Scorpio in the other. It’s certainly “good for” psychic growth! It’s favorable if the couple want to touch each other in ways that evoke their own internal dilemmas (Presuming both have a Ta-Sc Mc/Ic or reverse dynamic.
There are a lot of indicators of compatibility, or career, or adventure. This one aspect that you point out suggest they will not be complacent with each other. I see that as creative.
Does this make sense?
Anyone out there with this kind of dynamic in a synastry?
Thanks for your question. Kim
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Post by anitalee on Apr 16, 2005 7:08:10 GMT
Yes and thankyou for taking time out to give me such a detailed answer. I will now reflect on what you have said!
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Post by Juliet on Apr 16, 2005 9:12:40 GMT
Hi Anitalee,
While reading your question I remembered I'd read something on Juno-Jupiter contacts in synastry elsewhere on the net. Here it is:
Note: I checked the chart of my longest relationship (22 yrs) and it did not have these aspects. That's how far my own impressive research went!
Juliet
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Post by butterfly on Apr 16, 2005 12:52:53 GMT
anitalee, intereting you should ask I was reading on a forum and a poster there said that the great majorty of charts (of couples) she had analysed, had a conjnction/square/opposition between Juno-Jupiter! . I decided to check it and was amazed! I took about 25-30 HW couples and found that about 80% of them had these aspects. Out of the rest of the 20% - A few had an inconjunct and a sexitle or trine. A mare 2 or 3 couples had no aspect at all! There's definitely something there ! ETA: All the couples I checked were long lasting ones!
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Post by butterfly on Apr 16, 2005 13:25:21 GMT
Yeah Juliet, that was my post ;D
I'm sure you had other aspects in your synastry. Different people make different things work for them. Does no aspect between mars and venus mean no passion? Does no aspect between moon and sun mean no affinity? The most important synastry aspects for longevity for me are Saturn aspects. Most couples that last have supportive Saturn ties. The ones that don't, have none or have very oppressive ones.
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Post by Amoroso on Apr 16, 2005 20:46:15 GMT
Am writing from son's computer so I have to make this quick--interesting about Jupiter/Juno in synastry.
Awhile a go I did my own research with Juno/Jupiter to discover that in synastry with my husband of 26 years his Juno trines my Jupiter and my Juno squares his Jupiter. But since we both have the Jupiter/Pluto conjunction natally that is an age/generational thing, we also get Pluto/Juno at the same time.
C and I have a Juno (his) opposition Jupiter/Pluto (mine) and I do believe there is a "marriage" somewhere on the quantum level.
I do have Juno/Jupiter aspects with other family members and friends, but they are not the "harder" aspects that Butterfly mentioned. Interesting that my husband and I have both the trine and the square.
Amoroso
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Post by butterfly on Apr 17, 2005 0:18:23 GMT
Hi Amoroso, Check for all the couples you know too . BTW, Juno isn't really "generational" - It stays in each sign about 4 months.
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Post by Amoroso on Apr 17, 2005 1:41:24 GMT
Hi Butterfly, I wrote.... "But since we both have the Jupiter/Pluto conjunction natally that is an age/generational thing, we also get Pluto/Juno at the same time." I meant that the Jupiter/Pluto conjunction was a generational/age thing, but I see how the end part of my sentence confused things. I should have clarified that by saying that with conjunctions, it's hard to seperate this from that, and with the Jupiter/Juno connection, we also automatically get a Pluto/Juno connection. Clarity is a wonderful thing! Amoroso
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Post by Kim Falconer on Apr 17, 2005 2:07:14 GMT
with conjunctions, it's hard to seperate this from that, and with the Jupiter/Juno connection, we also automatically get a Pluto/Juno connection. Yes, this is one of the main points about conjunctions. The boundaries blur and it can be difficult to gain any sense of objectivity when assessing the synastry aspects to conjunct planets. We'd have to think that Pluto would tend to "over power" Juno in many cases. I have Juno at 22 Leo 07' and Pluto at 22 Leo 37'. I have Jupiter at 29 Gemini 55' and Venus at 0 Cancer 14' Table legs! I can't "do" Juno without getting Pluto and I can't do Venus without getting Jupiter. If someone touches me here or there--they get the lot! I do watch for the Juno/Jupiter (and check asteroid Zeus as well!) synastry as this is such a potent archetype of relationship. Thanks for all your comments, everyone! I am guessing Anitalee is feeling the warm welcome and interest now! :DKim
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Post by suz on Apr 17, 2005 2:34:05 GMT
I love this stuff Kim...
I have such major connections with you it makes me think that the idea I had about getting something printed...you know what... is even more appropriate... can you send me a copy of your chart please? Me... Aphrodite 22Sag18, Juno 27Sag02, Asc 29Sag13, Jupiter 3Cap13... Black Moon Lilith 26Gem13, Desc 29Gem13... Venus 23Pis55...South Node 24Pisc27 (North Node 24Vir27)...Oh and Uranus 17Leo06... Atlantis...21Leo26.
Cheers
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Post by darrah19 on Apr 20, 2005 18:38:35 GMT
yeppers. I have it too (with someone very special): my Jupiter at 12deg51 Aries opp. his Juno at 13deg12 Libra!! Kim, what would a Zeus/Juno contact mean? and also, what does it mean when it's the *man's* Juno and the woman's Jupiter, I wonder... AnitaLee, GREAT question. Butterfly, interesting study! any ideas what it all means?
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Post by butterfly on Apr 20, 2005 19:08:23 GMT
As I see it, it reflects the fact that marriage IS a strugle even when it's a very good relationship and that's why the harder aspects between these 2 in synastry.
Check with the couples you know - parents, friends, siblings, relatives - Especially the ones that have a long marriage/marriage like relationship.
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