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Post by Guest on Aug 4, 2005 13:55:17 GMT
Hello there! How would one interpret a tight (0') conjunction of BML and the Sun in the 12th house of a composite chart? My partner and I have this confuguration. Both our BMLs are unaspected in synastry, so I deduce no BML energy in the synastry. I'm wondering how the conjunction will play out in the composite.
PS Administrative question: I can't register! IK've been sent an activation code (one only), and it says someone will contact but it's been a week and I've been desparate to make this post!
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Post by Kim Falconer on Aug 5, 2005 23:25:39 GMT
Hello Guest!
I'll comment on your BML question after the weekend. Can you say what sign the composite 12th house Sun/BML are in?
Meanwhile, I think you are meant to use your activation code and sign in with your user name and password. Have you tried that?
Let me know.
More soon, Kim
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Post by darrah19 on Aug 7, 2005 12:18:35 GMT
the chiron/venus thing that you mention kim rings very true for me. my chiron is contraparallel his venus, and his chiron (and his ASC) is almost exactly (2minutes) square my venus and god only knows we have both age and distance issues, not to mention problems in communicating how exactly we feel about each other.
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Post by Guest on Aug 8, 2005 12:32:50 GMT
Thank you Kim re response to composite BML/Sun conj! The composite is in Virgo in the 12th, both at 27 Virgo. I've tried doing the activation thing -- it don't work
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Post by Kim Falconer on Aug 8, 2005 23:07:38 GMT
Hello 'Guest',
First of all, email me your user name and password and I will see if I can sort it out-- you can change your password once we get you up and running. At a minimum, I'll delete the dysfunctional memberships and you can sign up again. I can't see what's what until I know your sign in name.
Now, Composite sun in the 12th in Virgo is a very particular signature. We have talked about it before on this forum—
Remember that the composite Sun is a symbol for the purpose of the union. (not your purpose or his but your combined goals and intentions-what you ‘do’ together. Think of the composite chart as an entity of its own—a third energy, the energy of the relationship.
In the 12th , the sun in Virgo says that together you must make some kind of sense and order out of the chaos of the collective unconscious. As a couple, the chart says you must ‘serve or suffer’ in some way. It’s a big call.
Here is a quote from a previous post on this topic:
Take the example of a composite with a 12th house Sun/Pluto conjunction in Leo, a third house composite Neptune/Mars in Libra. This couple met and fell in love with transiting Saturn/North node conjunct the Comp. Jupiter, transiting Neptune conjunct their comp Moon, and transiting Jupiter conjunct their comp Sun. They felt immediately that they had some higher purpose. Their relationship from the start was based on an urgent desire to travel to a 3rd world country to teach and work for those less fortunate.
This couple stayed together with that goal in mind for 10 years. As long as the 12th house Sun was fulfilled (the purpose of the couple being some kind of sacrifice for the collective) they weathered the myriad difficulties. When the decision was made to forgo working with the disadvantaged, the relationship self-destructed. It was like flipping on Pluto and watching the bomb explode. (Transiting Pluto was now squaring the composite Sun/Pluto. Interestingly, in the progressed composites for all those years, the Sun never got out of the 12th house.
The point here is that this relationship, to fulfil its purpose, needed to have the solar goal of “sacrifice for others”. As a couple, they needed to exist for others, not themselves. While that was in place, the relationship survived, even thrived. When the egalitarian goals were removed, it went very dark and cruelly destructive. No amount of therapy, communication, intervention or love seemed to touch the downward spiral.
This case history exemplifies what I am saying about the fated nature of composites. The chart of the couple could not “grow” with their desire to abandon their 12th house mission. They couldn’t (or at least in this case, didn’t) turn to another creative expression of the composite 12th house Sun with each other.
There was a message in the composite and it seemed that the ability of the couple to express it was time limited. Once the message was ignored, the relationship fell apart.
When you add to that sun the exact conjunction of BML, I think you get more urgency to ‘expiate’ something. It is not only a solar purpose that must be fulfilled but the dark feminine must be honoured as well. BML cuts through the illusions of the 12th and demands a kind of ‘resurrection’ of the dark goddess. This composite is ‘fated’ to redeem something of from the collective and do it in a way that honours the solar deity as well as the feminine.
What you ‘do’ together appears to be vital to this union.
Does that make sense?
Warmly, Kim
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Post by svenskasfinx on Aug 9, 2005 14:34:20 GMT
Dear Kim and Guest,
Yes there has been a thread where we did touch upon the composite sun being in the 12th house.. (and its a very very active 12th house)...I understand now a bit more about sacraficing energies to a "higher purpose".. or at least right now to music.. BOTH of us..
Thank you very much for bringing this up again,
svenskasfinx
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Post by Guest on Aug 10, 2005 7:46:12 GMT
Kim -- thanks for your detailed response! It sounds so scary tho -- I should add that Pluto is ALSO conjunct Sun/BML in Virgo in the 12th, and Mercury conj Uranus in Libra, also in the 12th but just above the ascendant. Sun/BML is inconjunct the Node in Aquarius.
We do have a theme of service to a cause -- like the couple in our case study, also a humanitarian cause -- but I confess that in the year that we've been together, I haven't seen a theme that corresponds to Lilith.
I couldn't turn up a mail address at which I could mail you my user details. Shall I just post them to the board?
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Post by Kim Falconer on Aug 11, 2005 1:19:58 GMT
Oh sorry, my address is d-falcon@nrg.com.au There are contact links all over my site (http://www.nrg.com.au/~d-falcon/Eros.htm) but you may have not found this forum from there?
We'll sort out your membership asap!
Kim
So, it's a very strong 12th house composite...that has to filter through a Libra Ascendant!
Composites take 'time' (Saturn) to express. That Pluto/BLM will surface, sooner or later.
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Post by digitalchi on Aug 11, 2005 12:01:18 GMT
Am officially up and posting as a member -- thanks to Kim having sorted out my logon glitch!
Am trying to work out the implications of the strong 12th having to filter through the Libra asc with, I might add, Venus in Libra in the 1st. I get the picture of fulfilling the Sun/BML/Pluto purpose in a diplomatic and balanced manner (Asc + ruler), using the mind/intellect (Merc/Ur conj) -- or is this a superficial reading? It certainly chimes on a surface level!
Our sun/BML receives supporting trines from Saturn and Mars in Taurus in the 8th, and a sextile from Jupiter in Scorpio in the 2nd. Juno in Cancer conj Psyche conj MC. My overall impression is one of stability and perseverance? That our common careers (which are in turn the vehicle of the Sun/BML/Pluto expression)are a focal point of this association? I'm not all that thrilled if that is the interpretation ...
Another burning question: What am I to make of comp Vertex conj Chiron in Aries in 6th, just 2 degrees below the descendant, and exactly opposite Uranus just above the asc?
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Post by Kim Falconer on Aug 12, 2005 23:42:23 GMT
Can you post this composite chart or add a link to it? I need to get the whole picture to answer you further. Glad to have you aboard. Kim
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Post by digitalchi on Aug 15, 2005 16:51:09 GMT
[glow=red,2,300]Thanks Kim[/glow] Here's my Photobucket link to our composite! I've also done my and his natal charts, if that's useful. Another question: you mentioned in your example of the couple with sun/pluto in 12 that their relationship ended during a Pluto transit square their composite Sun. We started off when Pluto was approaching a square to our Sun/BML (19 degrees, 21 degrees respectively), and now Pluto is exactly square our sun -- is this transit an invariable BOOM, given that we got together during it?! Thanks in advance Chi
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Post by Kim Falconer on Aug 17, 2005 7:08:30 GMT
Hi Chi,
With just a quick look, I get the feeling the Chiron conjunct Vertex in the comp is highlighting the need to do something 'beyond the ordinary', to make a 'difference' on some outstanding way. You are both born a year and 4 months or so apart, it seems, and you both have Chiron at 10 degrees Aries. The composite then has Chiron at 10 Aries, the Vertex saying "what will you do with this?"
No, I don't think the transiting Pluto means "BOOM" but it may coincide with a change. This composite seems to indicate the necessity to address that 12th house creatively. Pluto could push that to the foreground.
I wouldn't worry about 'looking' for Lilith. She will show up as she pleases!
More on this.
Other comments?
Kim
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Post by digitalchi on Aug 17, 2005 18:55:07 GMT
I'd read Chiron in Aries as being on a personal quest to find meaning in one's existence -- which holds true for us as individuals + in combination. The link to the vertex seems to chime with the sun in 12 expression.
It seems a very impersonal and outward-directed relationship -- or is that the nature of the composite = relationship as an independant entity? I've been struggling to find the personal dimensions reflected in the scope.
Chi
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Post by Kim Falconer on Apr 14, 2007 6:46:43 GMT
Hi Everyone, I'm bumping this thread as we've just had a question on the glorious Lilith! Kim
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Post by psychick on Jun 3, 2008 23:54:47 GMT
Hi, May l ask please what these aspects mean in my synastry with my boyfriend? Lilith has such a bad name yet is intrigues me and on both AC's it must mean something! my lilith opposes his AC - EXACT his lilith conjunct my AC - 1deg lol it's either very good or very bad
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