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Post by svenskasfinx on Feb 14, 2005 9:05:35 GMT
Hello everyone! I've been studying charts again! And I keep getting the same things in personal relationships/friendships a strong connection between Vesta both ways and other important planets/asteroids and points. These happen to be not only by the typical sign and conjunction/aspect but actually even stronger by the parallel.. and as I am recently discovering, more "Out of Bound asteroids/planets" I was thinking about this since Kim's artical on out of Bounds Eros-- noting that my Aprodite was also at the same degree only N as opposed to S, making thus a Counter Parallel transit-- This has brought about the strangest things in my love life, and made me examine some details to find that those who I am attracted to as friends (just friends I hope ) happen to have Eros out of bounds as well. Or actually an out of bounds Aphrodite (respectively along that 29 degree point) one or the other... But examining the details of such charts... I come up with the common factor with all those I have recent contact with has been a strong placement of VESTA in all of these Charts, and the conjunction and parallel bewteen them.. amazing.. But what exactly does lonesome Vesta have to do with the together-nesses of friendships and groups (does this answer lay within my own Vesta in the 11th house?) just thinking out loud again.. Anyone speculate what it means and why? Thanks ahead of time, svenskasfinx
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Post by Kim Falconer on Feb 14, 2005 10:40:58 GMT
I think it might have somehting to do with the 11th house placement! I never think of Vesta as lonely. Yes, like Athene, Vesta is worshiped as a virgin, although the original meaning of the word did not imply sexual innocence. A virgin then described a woman who stood on her own, relying on no man for support, identity or companionship. Many of these virgins had lovers and consorts, although they never married or adapted themselves to life with a man. I just read an article on Vesta by Anne Massey. www.astrologyguild.com/Vesta-AnneMassey.htmShe makes the interesting link between Vesta as “keeper of the flame” and where she is by house. According to Massey, that is were we want to keep our FLAME burning brightly. In you 11th maybe it is not so odd that you have Vesta contacts with so many friends! I have Vesta in the 9th and so does Anne Massey. She writes – “My Vesta is in the 9th house in Virgo, and I always find myself sharing philosophical concepts that have the potential to allow others to broaden their horizons armed with a different perspective. I also think that I am an eternal student.” Well, my Vesta is in Taurus though I can really relate to Massey’s statement there, especially now! Some of you already know that I am going back to University in a few weeks! While looking at my data base, I find few friends or relationships have personal planets or asteroids within a few degrees of my Vesta although those who do either live very far away or are literally foreign to me in some way. They challenge me to expand my mind and they all seem to question me a lot in ways I really admire. It’s quite interesting and stimulate and keeps me thinking, this spark of Vesta. I find more who have the opposition yet they still have that expansive or far-away feel. Jetty, your South Node is right on my Vesta! Anyone else want to venture a comment on Vesta’s house placement in relationship to people you have Vesta contacts with? Kim
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Post by svenskasfinx on Feb 14, 2005 15:04:40 GMT
Hej Kim,
Thanks for the input! As far as Vesta being alone, that I see, but not lonely..
I have that Vesta in Aries thing also just to emphisise the independant nature of her expression, but being that its in the 11th house in conjunction with Saturn and even the musical muse asteriod 27 Euterpe a sort of together and yet independant feeling.. and a hesitation for the needs of groups of people.
Yet with a band, for example, one has to be together.
Just a few ideas,
Take care and thanks,
svenskasfinx
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Post by aquariusrising2 on Feb 14, 2005 16:59:55 GMT
Hi Svenskasfinx and Kim: I'm glad this thread was started. I've been quite interested in Vesta lately. My Vesta is in Capricorn conjunct Saturn in the 12th house. I've never been sure how to deleneate that placement. However, I just looked over my chart with a few people I have relationships with, and those whom I have a very deep connection with, meaning over many years, (or perhaps lifetimes) Vesta is strong. I find, in my case, she is connected to another's Descendant, Saturn, Sappho, or Vertex. (or their Vesta is connected to my chart in this way) Maybe it is the 12th house placement that makes my Vesta connections so deep. Or perhaps, I am confusing her energies with Saturn. But to me, she certainly seems to manifest as an eternal flame. Just my thoughts A.R.
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Post by aquariusrising2 on Feb 14, 2005 17:22:30 GMT
Now, I've got a question I have both Pallas and Vesta in my 12 house (along with Saturn). If both of these goddesses were worshiped as virgins, (I'm a little freaked out here ) What on earth could be the interpretation of these placements in the 12th and in Capricorn?. Really, it is mainly the asteroids I'm concerned about as I know Saturn in the 12th is a whole topic unto itself. Thanks for any input. A.R.
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Post by Kim Falconer on Feb 14, 2005 22:53:27 GMT
If both of these goddesses were worshiped as virgins, (I'm a little freaked out here ) What on earth could be the interpretation of these placements in the 12th and in Capricorn?. This is such a vital point because we have to deeply understand the intended meaning of the WORD VIRGIN in the time it was used. It’s just not what you think. In modern days, virgin means sexual innocence. Then, it did NOT. In modern days, virgin means chaste, unwed, a woman who has taken religious vows—unused, uncultivated, unexplored. Then it did NOT. Consider the etymology of the word: “The problem with the evolution of words -- one of the banes of language-- is that there is in fact an evolution. Virgin, for example, once meant “beholden to no man”, but its more recent version is a far cry from the original. [Note that one aspect of the great goddess, the Greek’s Aphrodite, for example, was considered to be a virgin goddess -- i.e., she was a woman of independent means! To say the least. But not exactly a woman not practiced in the sexual arts!” www.halexandria.org/dward033.htmPallas and Vesta represent an aspect of the feminine, an aspect of inner relationship to the anima, that is meaningful to both men and women. When we look at how they are placed by house, sign and aspect in the chart, greater understanding of relationship needs can be gained. But we have to stop thinking of them as chaste, unwed, unused spinsters. They were none of these things and they were not alone. Vesta (as Hestia) was sister to Ceres and Juno. They were devoured by Saturn\Kronos and later, with the help of Zeus, disgorged and given their rulerships. Ceres and Juno are the mother goddesses; Juno ever faithful to her husband Jupiter and Ceres never surrendering herself to marriage yet still being a powerful image of mother to her daughter Kore/Persephone. Vesta remains virgin ONLY in the sense that she also owes allegiance to no man, yet originally, the Vestal virgins who represented her were divine harlots. There was a lot of tantric sex going on in those temples! It’s really a whole other image to our modern day word--virgin. Pallas Athene, cerebral and civilized, is the only one of the four major goddesses without a mother herself, being born from the head of her father Zeus. Her passions awaken on the battlefield where she protects mighty heroes and partakes in contests of skill and strategy. She is a virgin in the sense, again, that she retains her own identity. She remains COMPLETE within herself. It’s not the same thing as being alone. I think Pallas in the 12th is a sign of the healer. She was linked, you realized, to Medusa and used her blood to cure many illnesses. He had an emblem of Medusa on her breastplate that allowed her to hear “voices of prophecy”. In the 12th, I get the image of a creative and distinct intelligence tuning into the collective (psychically?) and helping those less fortunate. In Capricorn, there is a feeling of structure and order, the ability to make sense of chaos, the ability to make a difference. Vesta with Saturn can be about very strong and serious commitments. In the 12th those commitments can be to movements in the collective, to others less fortunate, ill or in need. The flame may be for “service to others”, to the creative well of inspirations that inspires all artists, to faith in the unknown. From these placements I get a mystical feel, one that links strongly to your sense of meaning and purpose. I suspect there is a conflict, at times, between the pragmatist of Saturn/Capricorn and the spiritualist of the 12th. How do you feel these energies mingle in your life? This is a great thread. Let’s confine it to the 4 asteroid goddesses. Oh, AR, my email is playing up. Did you get your Astro-Tutor pages on the intercepted 2nd? Message me here if not! Ta Svenskasfinx, How interesting that you have your Vesta conjunct Saturn as well, yet in the 11th. I know that Saturn in the 11th can be a storehouse of issues around “friends and groups of like-minded others”. It certainly becomes a very important area of life, though sometimes difficult. Vesta there makes me think of a dedication to groups and goals for the future. The 11th is very much about “what we want to become (hopes and wishes) and Vesta wants to keep the flame alive. Aries is impatient about it all and wants to charge ahead. Yes, it is very independent and there could be a spark of “devotion to self-direction” as well. It’s quite a paradox—a bit like the mystic/pragmatist of the Capricorn/12th though now it is the independent director verses the group worker! How do you perceive this apparent conflict of interests? How do they express? Warmly, Kim
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Post by svenskasfinx on Feb 15, 2005 0:04:02 GMT
Svenskasfinx, How interesting that you have your Vesta conjunct Saturn as well, yet in the 11th. I know that Saturn in the 11th can be a storehouse of issues around “friends and groups of like-minded others”. It certainly becomes a very important area of life, though sometimes difficult. Vesta there makes me think of a dedication to groups and goals for the future. The 11th is very much about “what we want to become (hopes and wishes) and Vesta wants to keep the flame alive. Aries is impatient about it all and wants to charge ahead. Yes, it is very independent and there could be a spark of “devotion to self-direction” as well. It’s quite a paradox—a bit like the mystic/pragmatist of the Capricorn/12th though now it is the independent director verses the group worker! How do you perceive this apparent conflict of interests? How do they express? Warmly, Kim it remindes me of the issue I have had with music and being in a band actually so it WAS relivant that I metioned it after all.. Everyone wants to have their work shine through, but often in order to do that one must give way to the needs of the collective. This is also true with the devotion to any group.. Because this combination is also in oppostion to my 5th house Eros, Ceres, Juno ect.. it gives me the feeling that in order for me to work with that paradox of Friends/Groups issues.. I also must add ballance to my own creativitity to the mix.. not only to my own "children" real or brain children, but that this means that I will activate the need to ballance it out with 11th house issues.. it's another paradox.. aside from that Neptune/Mercury thing with the Yod configuration.. BTW this Vesta/Saturn is actually a part of that configuration..one end of a point with Pallas/Uranus quincux in Virgo sextile that Neptune/Hidalgo/Icarus conjunction in Scorpio..making the quincux back to Vesta/Saturn ect in Aries. as I've noticed so far, I don't activate one without activating the other either.. and once I get into the "loop of this" maybe it will give enough feedback to sustain itself.. like for example art and music and perhaps being part of a group... once again or even selling my own songs from the past.. I see it like that. but in the Synastry, these people are Adding more Vesta to my mix and in the first house, as well as parallels..(my husband's is in my second house.. with a wide aspect to venus) Others are Adding their "Solar" energy to my Vesta as well as adding their Vesta to my first house..its making me more... like that "11th house" model I think.. its kind of hard to understand, but we attract this.. all of us, as a refection of what is in the chart. Thanks for the insight again! svenskasfinx
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Post by aquariusrising2 on Feb 15, 2005 16:58:07 GMT
Kim: As always, thanks for your reply! First, I did receive my Astro-Tutor e-mail (I really got a lot out of it) and I e-mailed you back a few nights ago. I have just re-emailed. As your e-mail has been acting funny, and if you have time, let me know if you don't receive it. Your insights about Pallas, Vesta and Saturn in the 12th almost brings tears to my eyes (well, okay, I got a little teary eyed ). These are placements I've struggled to understand. Standard interpertations of these goddesses leave me feeling flat and I just haven't been able to make them "fit". The delineation you gave above, is near and dear to my heart and soul. More than I can express. (well, at least, somewhat, logically ) You asked how these energies mingle in my life, Vesta and Pallas in the 12th are very much as you've described. However, Saturn, being the pragmatist, sometimes tries to make too much sense out of impressions (psychic impressions), or may try to disregard as silly, nebulous, or unattached threads, kind of floating around in my psyche. For the most part, however, I think Saturn, thankfully, brings order to what otherwise may be a chaotic house. (Anyone else have Saturn in the 12th? We should start a thread) I find these 4 goddesses fascinating and seemingly applicable to the age we live in now, and how so many of us still struggle with their principles, at least the ancient principles of these deities. I'd love to learn more, anyone have any suggestions on some good books about these goddesses? Thanks! A.R.
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Post by aquariusrising2 on Feb 16, 2005 18:55:36 GMT
Hey ScorpyMoon!
Thanks for the info. I am gonna pick up both books. I'm sure I'll get a lot out of both. Mysteries of the Dark Moon sounds really intriguing! Looking forward to reading it.
Thanks again!
A.R.
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Post by Kim Falconer on Feb 17, 2005 0:05:41 GMT
AR, I am moved that you felt so receptive to the thoughts on Pallas and Vesta. Demetra George is a great text. I am interested in that Dark Moon book too. Author? I’ll do a search. Kim
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Post by Kim Falconer on Feb 20, 2005 8:37:00 GMT
:othank you...I hadn't even had time to look it up yet. Kim
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Post by aquariusrising2 on Feb 28, 2005 16:32:19 GMT
Just have to say that I just started reading "The Mythology, Psychology and Astrology of the Re-Emerging Feminine" and it has given me so much to think about. So far it is a great read. Thanks for the recommendation.
A.R.
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Post by wetlioness on Feb 28, 2005 22:46:10 GMT
I just read an article on Vesta by Anne Massey. www.astrologyguild.com/Vesta-AnneMassey.htmI have Vesta in the 9th and so does Anne Massey. She writes – “My Vesta is in the 9th house in Virgo, and I always find myself sharing philosophical concepts that have the potential to allow others to broaden their horizons armed with a different perspective. I also think that I am an eternal student.” Anyone else want to venture a comment on Vesta’s house placement in relationship to people you have Vesta contacts with? Kim very strange!!!! just today, about an hour ago in fact, i was trying to tell this woman i know on another message board that my Vesta almost touches her Sun....and i sent her that very same link by Anne Massey! ALSO! my Vesta is in my 9th house, as well, so what you and she say resonates with me, as well, and i'm also going to be going to school soon, at age 37, after being a high school dropout....i'm going to become a Grief Counselor, in fact, so it fits with the fact that my Neptune and Mars also fall in my 9th house (although it's in Scorpio, not Virgo) so it seems me and this woman, Jodi, have had a weird connection...i can "sense" when she's not feeling too great, moodwise, just by the "tone" of her posts.....also, i'm particularly moved by the fact that she recently seriously hurt her elbow and i'm forever asking her how it is, besides her other health issues.....i don't know this woman, i shouldn't be that interested in her health and well-being, but i am! *LOL* i'm thinking the Sun person (in this case, Jodi) would feel "taken care of", or that i'm the one who keeps the friendship going? i'm not sure, and i came into this thread to find a clue.... Vesta conjunct someone's Sun, when it's two women who are both hetero.... her Vesta is in a weird spot in my chart: between my Juno (which almost touches hers, i wonder what that's about) and my "conjoined" Venus/Vertex....i have zero clue where to even begin that interpretation, but that's okay, cuz i'm just beginning to poke around at our charts in synastry... very interesting...i can't believe it was the same exact article and about the same thing...
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Post by Kim Falconer on Mar 1, 2005 4:18:13 GMT
That feels very apt for Mars/Neptune in the ninth becoming a grief counselor. I wish you good luck with your studies . I suspect having Jupiter transiting that sector of your chart is going to give you a strong boost and also the blessing of enthusiasm!
I think Vesta/Sun synastry in this case, a friendship, radiates a feeling of warmth and caring…a sort of ritual “looking after” as if you were roomies, even though you are possibly not even in the same state or country.
Her sun warms up your Vesta (and in the ninth there is a feeling of altruism, of belief in the goals of others, the desire to support or “keep their flame” alive. Your Vesta gets her in touch with her sense of self, of her feeling of distinctiveness and creative process. When she is “on the path” she will feel much supported by you. If she ignores her own need for individuation, being around you will remind her she is slacking off!
This feels a great connection for friendship. I know I have had it with the opposite sex and felt a kind of competitive edge, a desire to take over. Sun contacts can bring out the shinning soul or the competitive warrior (among other things).
Anyone else have Sun/Vesta contacts in friendships synastry?
This is quite interesting.
Thank you for your input. Warmly, Kim
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Post by sielou on Mar 7, 2005 1:41:52 GMT
I have new girl friend and I have found that I have my Vesta conjuncting her ascendant, and her Vesta is conjuncting my ascendant! (My> 3 feb 09:28 Stockholm 1974, her> 16 may 16:15 Växjö 1972). Her Vesta is in her 7th house and mine is in the 6th. I now that I feel strongly about her (yes I am heterosexual ). I have my sun in her 4th house, my moon in her 9th house, my Mercury is conjuncting her Eros at the end of her 5th house, my venus/eros/juno is conjuncting her IC & north node, my mars is in her 8th house. My Apollo is conjuncting her Venus/Mars conjunction in her 9th house. She has her sun in my first house, her Moon in my 4th house, her Mercury is also conjuncting my ascendant. She has her Vertex very near my ascendant. Her Venus and Mars is conjuncting my Saturn/Apollo conjunction in my third house. Her Jupiter is conjuncting my MC. Her Apollo is conjuncting my IC. Her Juno is conjuncting my Vertex/Lust/Pluto in my 6th house. My dwad sun> cancer, her zodiac Moon> cancer. My dwad moon> pisces, her dwad sun> pisces. My dwad pluto> sag, her dwad moon> sag. I believe they are all in conjunctions with each other too. Any thoughts?
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