Post by sielou on Jan 5, 2005 3:32:40 GMT
Thanks Kim for your interpertations and insights.
"When I said they can run a different course, I meant they can seem to live out in a much more intense way because there usually are very few distractions. /.../ On-line, the focus is heightened- one on one. I think it makes it “hyper real” sometimes…"
Now I follow you. Yes it can get intense one on one, IRL too ... IRL you can start wondering how this person interacts with others.
"I don’t have time to look at the composite for more than a squinch right now"
Of course... you answer when you get time. Guess you are busy.
I am so glad that you got curios about my chart! Have I got Mercury as a singleton, or is it Neptune *trying to understand this thing about singletons*? I am starting to think it is Mercury with my need to communicate and to understand ;D. I enjoyed reading about your close friends whose birthday I share.
Were you a Gemini?
"The interceptions at your high latitude are just amazing!"
Thank you ... But I don´t follow you here, sorry.
What do ´interceptions´ and ´high latitude´ mean?
"You and this guy do have a very intense 4th house. I think the hardest part would be feeling so vulnerable to each other. You could feel very comfortable together and then zap—that Uranus opposition disrupts everything."
*nodding* Yes, I know that I felt very vulnerable with him. But also very much emotionally engaged beyond reason and justice. And I didn´t even understand or like him all the time! He has Uranus in his first house, so maybe you can say that he brought about this disruption, when Uranus is his most important planet. Please say if I get it all wrong =).
"I think the security and safety the 4th house seeks would feel threatened by all things Uranian—sudden separations, sudden changes, sudden triangles even!"
Yes... What is your take on that the sign in the forth is Aries/Taurus?
Hmm... We got a Mars/Mercury-conjunction in the forth *quarrels*, guessing that that is not good for harmony, despite the Pisces Venus in the third. Would anyone want to comment on this?
"The strong 4th in the composite suggests the need to ground your relationship in a home, a country, a psychic sanctuary. That you would experience great closeness on line and then suddenly you’d be “gone” from each other would be hard for that sun/Chiron/Moon/Jupiter to take. You needed to build something solid to surround and protect the relationship.
Saturn off to the side in square to the stellium may have made that impossible or daunting at least. I think you would have had to work quite hard at finding expression for the freedom loving Uranus and the stable cautious Saturn."
I think you are right. Uranus is in the 10th house, conjuncting MC. According to Astrodienst it says "Sun Opposition Uranus, The central problem here is that one or the other of you will constantly challenge the other's most cherished ideas. Another possible effect of this aspect is that the relationship will present a challenge to the standards of the community in which you live." But also: "In a sense, this problem could help your relationship, because outside pressures might drive the two of you closer together."
He could become so judemental and close himself off to communicate with me. And because of this he drew his own rash conclusion, without checking with me first. Then he got scared and dumped me, hurting me in the process. This happened sooo many times! I thought that if I could cope with this he would in time realize that I was sincere in my emotions *I wrote several letters to him, explaining myself, and trying to understand him despite his silence*, and believe that I was true.
By the way, I truly think that to handle the Uranus energy, we MUST talk *venus in the third, making harmonious aspects* respectfully with each other, and tolerate each others views, but he wouldn´t want to talk to me. But of course it got harder and harder to take. And to manage the Saturnian energy - Saturn is a classic old fashioned Aquarian planet - opposite the Aquarian ascendant *but wouldn´t an Aquarian ascendant make a Uranus opposition easier to manage?*, I believe the only way is TRUST, trusting each other, trusting our love.
Or what do you think?
Would you say that Saturn off to the side in square to the stellium, could create difficulties in relating to each other?
Finally (in a way I don´t consider this completely over until one of us lays in the ground, I truly believe that this could be a great lesson to both him and me, the lesson to truly love somebody, beyond different beliefs, and ways to do things) he said that he didn´t feel enough for me to start a relationship. I cannot stop to wander how he could say that with our stellium in the forth! Can you??
Your wisdom and interpretations is very, very much appreciated!
It was TRULY a pleasure to read!
Thank you again very much indeed for your lengthy answer .
*stepping back, looking at my reply: Hmm... yes it got quite long... guess you can blame it on my Gemini moon and Mercury Pisces in the 12th *
Hope you all had a very Merry Christmas, and that we all will have an interesting New 2005!
"When I said they can run a different course, I meant they can seem to live out in a much more intense way because there usually are very few distractions. /.../ On-line, the focus is heightened- one on one. I think it makes it “hyper real” sometimes…"
Now I follow you. Yes it can get intense one on one, IRL too ... IRL you can start wondering how this person interacts with others.
"I don’t have time to look at the composite for more than a squinch right now"
Of course... you answer when you get time. Guess you are busy.
I am so glad that you got curios about my chart! Have I got Mercury as a singleton, or is it Neptune *trying to understand this thing about singletons*? I am starting to think it is Mercury with my need to communicate and to understand ;D. I enjoyed reading about your close friends whose birthday I share.
Were you a Gemini?
"The interceptions at your high latitude are just amazing!"
Thank you ... But I don´t follow you here, sorry.
What do ´interceptions´ and ´high latitude´ mean?
"You and this guy do have a very intense 4th house. I think the hardest part would be feeling so vulnerable to each other. You could feel very comfortable together and then zap—that Uranus opposition disrupts everything."
*nodding* Yes, I know that I felt very vulnerable with him. But also very much emotionally engaged beyond reason and justice. And I didn´t even understand or like him all the time! He has Uranus in his first house, so maybe you can say that he brought about this disruption, when Uranus is his most important planet. Please say if I get it all wrong =).
"I think the security and safety the 4th house seeks would feel threatened by all things Uranian—sudden separations, sudden changes, sudden triangles even!"
Yes... What is your take on that the sign in the forth is Aries/Taurus?
Hmm... We got a Mars/Mercury-conjunction in the forth *quarrels*, guessing that that is not good for harmony, despite the Pisces Venus in the third. Would anyone want to comment on this?
"The strong 4th in the composite suggests the need to ground your relationship in a home, a country, a psychic sanctuary. That you would experience great closeness on line and then suddenly you’d be “gone” from each other would be hard for that sun/Chiron/Moon/Jupiter to take. You needed to build something solid to surround and protect the relationship.
Saturn off to the side in square to the stellium may have made that impossible or daunting at least. I think you would have had to work quite hard at finding expression for the freedom loving Uranus and the stable cautious Saturn."
I think you are right. Uranus is in the 10th house, conjuncting MC. According to Astrodienst it says "Sun Opposition Uranus, The central problem here is that one or the other of you will constantly challenge the other's most cherished ideas. Another possible effect of this aspect is that the relationship will present a challenge to the standards of the community in which you live." But also: "In a sense, this problem could help your relationship, because outside pressures might drive the two of you closer together."
He could become so judemental and close himself off to communicate with me. And because of this he drew his own rash conclusion, without checking with me first. Then he got scared and dumped me, hurting me in the process. This happened sooo many times! I thought that if I could cope with this he would in time realize that I was sincere in my emotions *I wrote several letters to him, explaining myself, and trying to understand him despite his silence*, and believe that I was true.
By the way, I truly think that to handle the Uranus energy, we MUST talk *venus in the third, making harmonious aspects* respectfully with each other, and tolerate each others views, but he wouldn´t want to talk to me. But of course it got harder and harder to take. And to manage the Saturnian energy - Saturn is a classic old fashioned Aquarian planet - opposite the Aquarian ascendant *but wouldn´t an Aquarian ascendant make a Uranus opposition easier to manage?*, I believe the only way is TRUST, trusting each other, trusting our love.
Or what do you think?
Would you say that Saturn off to the side in square to the stellium, could create difficulties in relating to each other?
Finally (in a way I don´t consider this completely over until one of us lays in the ground, I truly believe that this could be a great lesson to both him and me, the lesson to truly love somebody, beyond different beliefs, and ways to do things) he said that he didn´t feel enough for me to start a relationship. I cannot stop to wander how he could say that with our stellium in the forth! Can you??
Your wisdom and interpretations is very, very much appreciated!
It was TRULY a pleasure to read!
Thank you again very much indeed for your lengthy answer .
*stepping back, looking at my reply: Hmm... yes it got quite long... guess you can blame it on my Gemini moon and Mercury Pisces in the 12th *
Hope you all had a very Merry Christmas, and that we all will have an interesting New 2005!