Black Moon Lilith/Eros in Synastry

[chrissymgreen]

dear kim,

oh, let me just say, wow! that description of his amor-my DC makes perfect sense. remember when i described how i feel sometimes in his presence? i do feel a very amor-oriented connection. i dont really exepct a whole lot from him; i just bask in his presence, because it feels really good to be around him. i know that boiling a feeling or a response in a relationship down to one aspect isnt the thing to do, but i was seriously wondering about why that particular response felt so incredibly strong at times! that really makes total sense.

"Where your Ascendant/Descendant falls in his chart says something about how he experiences YOU!"

okie, when you say this, do you mean where my ascendant would be located amidst his houses? because my ac is libra 12° and my dc is aries 12°, placing my ac in his 11th house and my dc in his 5th house. hmm, this seems interesting...is this what you meant? does my ac in his 11th house means he experiences me as a friend first and foremost? im not even sure what the dc thing would mean...im not really up on how to interpret the descendant.

his ac is scorpio 27° and his dc is taurus 27°, so that makes his ac fall in my 2nd house and his dc in my 8th house. hrmph.

this awfully interesting! i never even thought about this. one thing i like about astrology is there is always something new to discover...



sincerely,
chrissy

[chrissymgreen]

dear kim,

i just realized that what you meant by the importance of where my ascendant or descendant falls in his chart is what planets or asteroids he has conjunct my ac or dc...correct? im a little thick-headed today, sorry! you were just clarifying the importance of his amor on my DC. his amor gets activated by me in the way that we relate as a couple, and he inspires in me an intensely (since it's my angle involved) amorous response...right?

and so, like, his pluto in libra at 15° on my libra ascendant at 12° means he could possibly experience me as a plutonian individual (now that would be interesting since he is such a plutonian himself - scorp rising, 3 planets in scorp, pluto singleton)?

and his sappho is conjunct (5°) my ascendant.

and as for him (as far as i can tell), my jupiter and neptune conjunct his ascendant. my 4450 pan conjuncts his dc.

so the person whose angle is touched receives a great deal of energy and will have a response linked to the planet or asteroid touching their angle, correct? and the person whose planetary body or asteroid is involved in the touching (har har) gets that planet or asteroid activated by that individual. the stronger reaction is probably experienced by the angle person (because our angles are us!), but the asteroid or planet person is affected, too, by the planet or asteroid involved getting a jolt by the angle person - it's like whatever body is involved gets a charge.

(sorry for the questions; i dont mean to be pesty. i get wordy when im trying to figure something out. i do think im beginning to have a more synthesized understanding, though!)


-chrissy

[Kim Falconer]

Hi Chrissy,

You are correct on both counts. Where our planets or angles fall in the HOUSES of another individual activates that house, that area of life for them. You take their horoscope and plot where YOUR planets would fall in HIS houses and you get a feel for what area of life is stimulated or affected by YOU. (never mind the planets they may touch, for the moment)

Example- your Ascendant/Descendant falls in his 11th/5th house axis. Think of the houses as PAIRS. They are an axis of energy, an opposition. Like the Nodes, if one is activated so be the other!

1. Where the Ascendant/Descendant falls in another’s chart shows how you essentially affect that other person. It also tells how you enter that person’s life and what their first impressions are.

2. Because these are succedent houses they are of the FIXED modality. Activating another’s 5th/11th can have stabilizing, enduring effect. These relationships can be long lasting.


3. Your Asc/Dsc activating his 5th wakes up his creative desires, heart connections and Phillia, love of the special and significant other. He wants to play, to “re-create”. You being you makes him feel his inner child and emotional desire to connect.

4. Your Asc/Dsc in his 11th makes him feel social, like connecting with others of the same ilk, the same “tribe”. There is a feeling of true friendship and the sharing of common goals and hopes and wishes for the future.

Now, this brief outline doesn’t even begin to delineate what happens when you touch a planet in the house. His Pluto there (in his 11th is it?) suggests you awaken his desire to tear down and rebuild his friendships, or goals, in such a way that they become more and more authentic. You become part of this process. You become a trigger to the gateway of his unconscious. Things can get very deep, very fast.

His Pluto on your Ascendant is like having Pluto transiting to the Ascendant ALL THE TIME. It is intense, awe inspiring, passionate, transformational—sometimes disruptive and painful—always meaningful! Some things are eliminated from your life and new ones built. Issues of power and control are highlighted, yours and his.

Because of the nature of PROJECTION, (the capacity to deny a part of ourselves and attribute it to another, experience through another) ALL SYNASTRY CONTACTS can “go both ways”. Let’s say you have your Sun conjunct his Saturn. He will not always or necessarily be the Saturn one that feels inadequate and vulnerable (or ambitious and solid) and you the one that feels bright and sunny and creative. It can flip. He can project his Saturn onto you and you can project your Sun onto him. It goes both ways…with everything!

I hope this helps clarify some of the synastry/house questions.

It IS a fascinating study that gets deeper and richer, all the time.

Warm wishes,
Kim
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[chrissymgreen]

dear kim,

this has been INCREDIBLY informative; thank you!

(one tiny little part of me feels guilty for rambling on so much, and for asking a variety of questions, but i do hope that some of the questions ive asked for a bit of clarification on will help someone else. i KNOW someone else out there was probably wondering the same thing about the difference between the dynamic of planet-planet/asteroid contacts and planet-point/angle contacts.)

that said, your post made me think of another thing i was wondering, a general question im sure others have either asked or wondered. i understand where the planets, asteroids, points and angles fall into another's houses is important; do their own planets et al residing in their own houses matter relative to where the other person's planets et al fall? for instance, my ascendant falls into his 11th house, where his pluto also is - this is significant even outside of the aspect they make to each other, no? i think your previous post answered my question, but i wasnt sure. i realize in this example my ascendant and his pluto do happen to be conjunct, so that alone makes it significant. let me give another example where an aspect doesnt occur: my neptune falls into his 1st house, either 5 or 6° away from his ascendant (cant remember off the top of my head). his neptune is also in his first house, but it's 18° away from his ascendant. so my neptune and his neptune are not conjunct - theyre 12° apart in fact, but i guess what im asking is does my neptune falling into his first house where HIS neptune also lays matter? do those 2 planets become connected then? another example: his venus falls in my 2nd house, where both my jupiter and neptune lay. see, i guess i should have phrased my question less confusingly - setting aside the aspects those planets might make to each other, since my jupiter & neptune are there in the 2nd, is his venus which is also there then affected by my jupiter and by my neptune? and vice versa - are my jupiter and neptune affected by his venus?

lordy, i just read that over and it gave me a headache. i thought it was a simple question but now it doesnt seem that simple once i started trying to clarify it.

thinking it over, i think it does make sense to say the areas of life connected with the house in question are definitely spotlighted when a planet is there along with another's. so it's probably safe to say the planets arent necessarily affected by each other just because theyre in the same house. for instance, in 1 of the examples above i stated my jupiter is in my 2nd house, where his venus is in my chart. his venus and my jupiter are not in aspect - theyre 24° apart. so the only way they really become connected is by the area governed by the house involved. my jupiter is there, which lends me certain qualities related to 2nd house matters, and his venus being there affects me in a 2nd house way. so my jupiter expresses itself in the same or similar way to the way his venus affects me. so i think i just answered my own question, sheesh...

(thank you for putting up with me!)




-chrissy

[Kim Falconer]

Hello Chrissy,

That was one awesomely convoluted question! I think you did answer it though.

Before I reel excessively though, let’s get down to a very simple basic that I want you to hold as your premise for delineating synastry comparisons. Richard Idemon taught me this years and years ago, bless his soul, and I ALWAYS quote him on it because it helped me so much.

He said, “In terms of synastry, PEOPLE are like PERMANENT transits.”<br>
Simple as that.

If a guy has a natal Venus that falls into my 2nd house (forget if it aspects anything there or not) it is like having Venus transiting my 2nd house, all the time.

Now, when something (or as in this case, someone) transits my 2nd house, I am going to be in touch with second house properties. I am going to encounter events, inner and outer, that bring up aspects of my resources, talents, abilities, sensuality, finances, values, uncles…you name it—2nd house!

If I have natal Jupiter there in the 2nd , then Jupiter is awakened too, because he resides in the activated 2nd and has a lot to do with how I relate to 2nd house qualities. If that transiting or synastry Venus is in the same sign, Jupiter is all the more activated. It they are within 10 or so degrees, even more so.

But aspect or no, Jupiter wakes up when you are around this person because your second house wakes up. If several different people were asleep in a house and someone knocked on the door loud enough, everybody wakes up. Do you see how this works?

Plot his planets into your houses to see what areas of life are activated and visa versa. Never mind if there are aspects or not for the moment. This cross plotting will show how you essential effect each other in terms of area of life, inner and outer.

Does this reinforce your conclusions?

Just keep asking until it becomes crystal clear, second nature.

Warmly,
Kim

[chrissymgreen]

dear kim,

this makes absolute sense. perfect! the way you worded it makes it even clearer than the conclusions i had drawn when i originally asked the question and then pondered it for a bit.

i'll add one more thing as just a little aside: when one of our planets falls into another's house where the same planet also happens to be for that person natally, it has a particular effect on the house person in relation to the house in question. for instance, mr. virgo has neptune in the 1st house where my neptune happens to fall in his chart. i'd think that he'd be affected in a certain way by this because his 1st house is already acquainted with neptune there.


anyway, thank you!



sincerely,
chrissy

[Kim Falconer]

Hi Chrissy,

This is true, though if the couple are close in age, if they have similar outer planets, those outer planets will have less an impact on each other, above the natal import. It is like, “I’ve already got that going on…and so do you.” (His Neptune may well be in your natal Neptune house) Of course, there is a generational commonality here.

Still, it adds a focus to this area of life.

Glad the comments helped clarify.

Warmly,
Kim

[sielou]

On the subject of angles...
I new potential love interest has his north/true node in 5Taurus conjuncting my ascendant in 0.59Taurus.

My Apollo in 28Gem conjuncting his Sun in 2Can... I haven´t got his birthtime yet, so feel sure I will return in the subject =). (His Moon conjuncting my Sun in 14Aqui, and his Sun conjuncting my Saturn 28Gem, and widely conjuncting my Moon 23Gem).

Anyways...
I am most interested in what his node conjuncting my ascendant mean? How does it affect me and how does it affect him?

Thanks all...
I have read several threads in this forum today, and I found so many interesting subjects. Wishing my english was better and that I could contribute more with knowledge... Kim I have also a Sun/Jupiter/Mercury conjunction. But the Sun in the end of the eleventh house 14Aquarius and Jupiter (22Aqu) is my bridge to Mercury in the beginning of Pisces (0Pis, ruling planet Neptune in the 8th in Sag), Jup & Mer is in the 12th house. Anyone who could shed any light on this is - as always very welcome ;D!