Eros-Node-Vertex

[urania]

Hi - I am new to this so apologies if it is done incorrectly. I really enjoy this site & learning about all the asteroids, especially Eros which - as I have been observing its effect - seems to be particularly potent. I would be fascinated to know what Kim or anyone else thinks about Eros-Node contacts...His Eros conjunct her North Node. There are other synastry links (her Eros trine his Sun, Quincunx his Venus, his Eros square her Venus etc) but the Eros-North Node seems interesting & I have not seen anything about it elsewhere. His Moon is opposite his Eros & thus conjunct her South Node...The other question I have which I have not seen answered or even mentioned anywhere is Vertex-Node in synastry. ie; He Vertex conjunct His North Node. Yes, this is a v.weird and powerful relationship...These are 1 degree conjunctions, btw. Would be so happy & grateful for any insights whatsoever! Thank you for this wonderful site.

[Kim Falconer]

Hello Urania,

Welcome to the forum!

Your questions (and example charts) are very interesting.

I am pretty sure we just talked about Eros/Node contacts, but I can’t seem to see it now. Here is an excerpt from my Eros book on such things.

“…When the Eros of one person’s chart touches the Lunar Nodal Axis of the other’s, a strong feeling of ‘been there before’ can arise. The couple may find they are drawn to each other by a mysterious yet indiscernible force that triggers a forgotten reminiscence or memory.

Being together, in this case, can initially feel like a powerful recognition of each other’s needs, drives and motives. There can be a mutual support and understanding of what constitutes safely and comfort as well as a feeling of necessity at work. The couple may sustain and encourage each other in their dreams and offer solace and ease when those dreams threaten to overwhelm them. The level of intimacy can go very deep in a short span of time because of this gentle feeling of familiarity. If the Nodal axis remains balanced, the couple may encourage each other to discover new talents and opportunities while recharging in the sanctuary of love. These contacts can enhance the rapport and intimacy between the couple quite intensely.

Conversely, Eros/Nodal links can become lopsided if one person pushes too strongly towards the unknown North Node or pulls back excessively into the comfort of the familiar South Node. In either case, the contact can become strained as one person over stimulates the other in an unbalanced way. The couple may be so enamored with the past that they become ridged and stagnate, or they may be overzealous with exploring the unknown until the relationship looses its footings altogether.

Regardless of the aspect, Eros to one Node will automatically stimulate the other. This implies the need to maintain a balance between the two in the context of intimate relationship. Old patterns may emerge, with the opportunity to process them in new ways. Ideally, the couple may experience new horizons with the familiar comfort of each other’s presence…”

I’ll address the Vertex/Node question tomorrow. Meanwhile, I refer you to my introductory article on the VERTEX
www.nrg.com.au/~d-falcon/News.htm#vertum

in case you haven't seen it yet. (This is a fascinating synastry contact!)

Thank you for your interest!

Warmly,
Kim

[urania]

Thank you! Lots to think about there. It is certainly the most powerful & instantaneous contact I have ever experienced & I have had a few (Mars/Pluto/Uranus conjunct in the 8th natally) -- you may be interested that this person with whom I have the Eros/Node/Vertex synastry came into my life as Pluto crossed my South Node & trined my Dsc (!) & thus opposed his Eros. It's scary that at first, when one thinks about asteroids in astrology, it is like - this really is TOO much - but the more you look at it the more it works...the world really is far weirder and more complex than we can grasp. Thanks again for your wisdom. Am going to have a good think about what you wrote.

[sielou]

I have got my vertex in 7 Libra 46'41 conjuncting my pluto in 6 Libra 38'49. Does anyone now if this conjunction -- in the 6th house -- has, if any, significance?

Thanks in advance.

[Kim Falconer]

Hello Sielou!

I am glad you are in. Can you tick the box that allows you to log on automatically from your computer? That would solve things, I think.

The Vertex is a sensitive point, an angle like the Ascendant. It seems to demarcate an area of sudden change, epiphany, or enlightenment—a turning point in the life. It is activated by 3 things: Transits, People (synastry) and Location (Astro*carto*graphy) Read my article and links on the subject if you haven’t had a chance to study it yet:

www.nrg.com.au/~d-falcon/News.htm#vertum

Because your Vertex is so close to your Pluto (within 1 degree), it is going to be difficult to distinguish what is a Pluto activation and what is a Vertex activation. I have this same situation with my Vertex conjunct my North Lunar Node. It gets tricky to understand intellectually, yet that doesn’t affects its symbolism.

I do think your Vtx/Pl has significance, though as with all conjunctions, it is difficult to sift out one element from the other. They often act, or feel like they act, in unison.

I suspect that in the sixth, when something “touches” this conjunction, you are going to not only transform (Pluto) but also have that unique moment of realization that only the Vtx can bring. Pluto may be experienced in isolation but not the vertex. In Libra, it links to personal, social relationships and in the 6th, experiences of work, employment, health of the body, ritual and even pets!

For example, Jupiter was just over this conjunction. I suspect it could have coincided with an opportunity that also brought crisis or confronting change.

Someone may have walked into your life, even briefly, and brought about some new feelings, new opportunities, or even the belief that things could be different. Because Pluto is there too, it isn’t just a “snap your fingers” presto-chango kink of thing. It involves trial and decent into the “underworld” of the unconscious.

A kind of crisis or wake-up call may have occurred around your physical body, health or fitness. Diet or allergies could be involved.

A beloved pet may have been in crisis and through that experience you could have met someone new, an ally. (the vet???)

Your work situation may have thrown you a "curve ball".

Did you experience anything like this in early November?

I am quite curious here.

Thanks for the post. Stay with us!

Warmly,
Kim

[sielou]

I can add that I have my descendant in Scorpio! So its ruler pluto is conjuncting my vertex... Most interesting. I quess that must increase its importance.

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Well... in early November I got quite worried if I got pregnant *not looking for that to happen*. And I learned that you can get a sexually transmitted disease even though you do not have intercourse *I read about it*. That got me worried too.

I wrote a final letter to this man, that have this destructive side to him. Although my head know that he wasn´t the Man for me, I believe that I still have these warm emotions for him *he has a very late Aries descendant opposing my Taurus ascendant, and I have his Eros on my true/north node 27 sag, in my ninth house*.

And I have recently experienced more love for my cat! Before she didn´t at night lay on my bed, but now she does =).

*got quite private here, all for the sake of Astrology *

[Kim Falconer]

Hi Sielou,

Yes, these are the kinds of outer events that would possibly match Jupiter transit over your Vertex/Pluto in the sixth.

What sexually transmitted disease is that, the one you don’t have to have sex to get? Herpes?

The concern about the body, control over the body and even you little cat bonding with you deeper all represent and expansion of your 6th house. Here we have the relationship between “psyche and soma” (what is conscious, unconscious and the body). Somehow these events build a bridge between you and your body, you and your unconscious. Ultimately, letting go of the man who is “isn’t for you” even though you have strong feelings is brave and ultimately empowering.

It will be interesting to watch Eros transiting over your Vertex/Pluto next year!

Thanks for being so open and offering your personal examples.

Warmly,
Kim

[BodaciousBabe]

Hi Urania,

My husband's Eros (6th house Sag) is conjunct my North Node. (2nd house Sag) We've been together since the dawn of time so I think I have really experienced what this can mean. Kim is right on.

It means that it gives him intense physical pleasure to daily observe me living out my values passionately, it gives him pleasure and allows him his own intense transformation to support my teaching, traveling together, broadening of horizans,--anything that has to do with what we both value, both monetarily and emotionally. I think it has meant he has known what is good for me before I do because he knows the ME of me sometimes better than I do. For example, when we were 20 and had been seeing each other pretty exclusivly for a year and a half, he told me he thought I need to explore meditation. I toyed with that idea for 25 years before it became a necessity for my physical and mental health. And he is saying, all these years later, "I told you so."

There are some aspects from this conjunction to other planets. And my Eros/Chiron conjunction is conjunct his Mercury/Ceres conjunction.

Hope this helps.

Bodaciousbabe

[Kim Falconer]

Hello BB,

This input is great. Empirical examples always bring to life the theory of what may happen if “this” is in aspect to “that”.

Thank you!

Warmly,
Kim

[sielou]

So when adding that I have my descendant i Scorpio *depending on house system. hmm*. Its ruler pluto conjuncting my vertex.

Does this do anything?
Increase/decrease its importance?

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"Although my head know that he wasn´t the Man for me, I believe that I still have these warm emotions for him *he has a very late Aries descendant opposing my Taurus ascendant, and I have his Eros on my true/north node 27 sag, in my ninth house*."
I meant that his late Aries descendant is conjuncting my early Taurus ascendant. I felt an very early attraction to him, even through the Internet. I was always sensitive to his words *my mercury conjuncting his moon*. My mercury in his forth house and his in my forth. Our marses conjuncting. Through him I have learnt that you can love even though your head tells you it isn´t right for you. And even though he keeps hurting you.

To my question. I know that the north/true node is an very sensitive point, but what about his Eros.
Does my node effect him? How?

Thanks Kim.
Yes herpes, Chlamydia, condylom. No penetration.
By the way, when will this Eros transit happen?

[Kim Falconer]

Dear Sielou,

I think it is important wherever your Pluto is. Because it’s angular (in some systems) it does make the impact of a transit to that point more obvious, more direct in line with what you recognize. In this case, if it is within 10 degrees of the descendant, it may increase the feeling that “someone else” out there is “Pluto”…the point is, Pluto comes to you in the guise of the significant other. With the Vrtx, the impact is more pinpointed, something you can put your finger on, as opposed to the defuse kind of “annihilation-reconstruction” that can go along with significant transits or relationships.

Does this make sense?

Angular positions can make us “notice” a planetary energy more immediately (in other people anyway) but Pluto is Pluto and this god always has his way, wherever he is located in the chart.

Eros will conjunct your Pluto/Vrtx in Libra the first week of Jan o5.

Your Node/his Eros goes both ways. Because of the nature of projection, you can both feel Eros/both feel the pull of the Node. My description of this contact in synastry applies to both people.

Think of Synastry ties as an “open channel”. Energy from one person flows to another and theirs can flow to them, OR is projected back. Take a very obvious synastry aspect like his Saturn on her Sun to demonstrate:

First you would say that he might dampen her distinctive “sunny” energy, make her take things seriously or even criticize. She might light up his shadow, his vulnerable flaws, or perhaps encourage him with grate enthusiasm to face his fears.

That his the straight “his Saturn on her Sun” feel. But it can swap. He may project his Saturn onto her. It may be she that criticizes or feels inadequate around his strong purpose and intention. She takes on Saturn and he takes on the Sun.

It can “swap” around many times in the course of a relationship.

Eros/Node is the same thing. Realized that in synastry, the energy always belongs to both!

Re-read the first post about Eros/Nodal contacts with this in mind and then let me know how that fits.

Warmly,
Kim

PS When a relationship with someone “keeps hurting you”, you may have to ask why you still feel compelled. I am a firm believer in saying “no” literally or psychically, to any form of abuse.

[sielou]

"I think it is important wherever your Pluto is. Because it’s angular (in some systems) it does make the impact of a transit to that point more obvious, more direct in line with what you recognize. In this case, if it is within 10 degrees of the descendant, it may increase the feeling that “someone else” out there is “Pluto”…the point is, Pluto comes to you in the guise of the significant other. With the Vrtx, the impact is more pinpointed, something you can put your finger on, as opposed to the defuse kind of “annihilation-reconstruction” that can go along with significant transits or relationships.
Does this make sense? "
>>Hmm... I´m not sure . I understand that when Pluto and the vertex is conjuncting you can put your finger on... something... the feeling that someone is the Pluto?

"Eros will conjunct your Pluto/Vrtx in Libra the first week of Jan o5."
>>Thanks, Kim! Which I could be of more help... but I´m just a beginner.

>>That about Sun and Saturn is very interesting. This man that a felt this nearly instant attraction to had his saturn opposite my sun, squaring my mars in my first house. And as I metioned earlier his Eros on my true/north node 27 sag, in my ninth house in a tight orb. His late Aries descendant is conjuncting my early Taurus ascendant.

"The level of intimacy can go very deep in a short span of time because of this gentle feeling of familiarity."
"These contacts can enhance the rapport and intimacy between the couple quite intensely."
>>Mhmm... I can relate indeed! You know the very early attraction.

"If the Nodal axis remains balanced, the couple may encourage each other to discover new talents and opportunities while recharging in the sanctuary of love."
>>I cannot relate to this, but I guess that the axis didn´t remain balanced between us.

"Conversely, Eros/Nodal links can become lopsided if one person pushes too strongly towards the unknown North Node or pulls back excessively into the comfort of the familiar South Node."
>>Maybe he could have felt that I pushed too strongly and he pulled back, always was the one that wanted it to end. Always was the one who broke up with me, but then it started again several times.

>>By the way we have a MOST interesting composite with several planets and astroids in the forth house (late Aries, early Taurus), with many hard aspects to it (Saturn opposite ascendant, Uranus opposite the stellium in the forth). Guess I will ask you about this in its appropriate thread . But when this relationship most of the time was on the net, it is not clear to me how it would have survived outside of it in real life. The one thing that I know is that it is so hard forgetting the powerful, passionated, destined feeling that this encounter brought out.

Thanks...

[marie]

Hi All,

I had a relationship with someone who's Eros was conjunct my south node, and I do relate to the example Kim gave of being too comfortable too soon with this person. Maybe I didn't play "hard to get enough", if that makes sense. I don't mean in a gamey way, but rather, holding back more until he earned my trust.

Just a thought.

Bridget

[Kim Falconer]

Hi Bridget,

This is a good point. When someone’s south Node touches us (a personal planet, asteroid or point) we DO feel like we KNOW them and they know us. We might “give away the farm” with our emotions, our thoughts, our ideas, our energy…when they haven’t really merited the gift! Just because someone feels familiar doesn’t mean they can skip the steps in relating THIS life time! (If we look at the south Node as being that kind of “past”.)

Kim