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Post by Kim Falconer on Feb 17, 2006 1:07:11 GMT
Legolas, that's a wonderful description of your quintile! Of course, there are myriad possibilities, but when you express it as one concept, it fits like a glove!
I think the 'generational ' interpretation of Pluto in Virgo can be personalized in just such a way. You are 'saving the planet', one customer at a time, and raising the level of consciousness of each one who passes through your door!
Thanks for sharing this! ;D Kim
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Post by legolas on Feb 20, 2006 15:52:28 GMT
Kim,Chrissy and Jade,thanks for your input in this thread! Yes,for now i will have to do with one concept and i am already busy finding a way of putting it into practice. P.S.more questions arise and i will ask you all in other threads and if i have an insight in one of your questions i will let you know! See you around on the forum Edit:chrissy,this is the kind of art i like,different from yours .I am a very imaginitive thinker,i guess,with mercury in pisces and a trine with neptune.And i love this fantasyworld Tolkien has created very much:it is food for my fantasy! i51.photobucket.com/albums/f369/legolas5/lee_rivendell.jpg
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Post by svenskasfinx on Feb 25, 2006 2:04:22 GMT
There has been a long conversation about quintiles here happening and I have sadly had little time to even read it I just wanted to say, that I too have lots of examples of Quintile aspects in my natal chart. I realize the major problem with the quintile is that it is an energy one MUST use... as its a tallent one is usually born with or has the oportunity to develop.... or one must try to develop. I also have seen lots of mention of Venus in quintile. Me? I have Venus in Cancer, in the first house, quintile Uranus (also Pallas Athena and Promethius) in the 4th house in Virgo. I think it lends "an unusuality to a personal expression of beauty" (having said that, my Venus is in exact conjunction to Aprhoditie so it only emphisizes that theme..) I have a few other things, such as Moon in Virgo in the 4th house, quintile Neptune in Scorpio in the 6th house. For a long time I used to read all these things about Moon conjunction Neptune and used to think, how it was so me.. the taking home stray animals, and trying to find homes for pets, ect..as well as the Neptunian/Lunar, emotional nebulousness.. then when I discoverer Quintiles, it all made sence, especially with the aspect being from the 4th to the 6th house. That aside, I'm still trying to work out my Mars Quintile (first house Cancer) to Pluto in Virgo in the 4th house.. binquintile to Saturn in Aries in the 11th, and that completing a sort of "aspect triangle" with a Quintile to Mars... right now I've been taking most of my time away from home to train (very hard) at the gym... so I can have the energy to sustain my goals. So thats my "interesting" in put for the next month be well everyone. svenskasfinx
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Post by quintiles on Feb 27, 2006 3:07:25 GMT
Hi! I have just discovered this message board. I have been active for some time now on another online astrology forum, and what I am going to go ahead and do is cut and paste here what I posted on quintiles there. (btw, the forum is called MSN Horoscopeschat). Here it is:
Hi... there is a sore lack of good information on quintiles. Nobody seems to really know too much about them. I am no exception, but I have developed some perceptions. It seems to me that the quintile (and biquintile, of course) represents a highly paradoxical combination... a possessing compulsion and a radical neutrality; somehow, simultaneously. It indicates an offbeat form of genius that is so remarkably subjective, and yet seems stripped of anything "personal." If you have ever come to the realization that "fate and free will are the same thing", you have briefly understood the nature of the quintile. The number five is four plus one... energy generated by tension (the square) becomes mobilized by the presence of the one added on. It is also three plus two... the general sense of tension (2) and strong "flowing"ness (3) operating at the same time. If we take the "sign derivative" method of explaining the significance of aspects (ie, the conjunction is Aries-like, trine is Sag and Leo like, square is Cap/Cancer, etc.) We get the following points with the quintiles and biquintiles: 12 deg Gemini, 24 deg Leo, 6 deg Scorpio, 18 deg Capricorn. So (to take an approach that is admittedly more "inspired" than "informed") with 12 Gemini we have simple mind-for-its-own-sake mental genius that is fairly well developed but not yet to the point where it is jaded or "thinks too much"; at 12 deg it is fairly well into the sign but not yet at the halfway point. 24 deg Leo might symbolize creative power that IS quite well developed (far into the sign). 6 Scorpio, in the early degrees of its sign, is very "raw" emotional intensity; the scorpion that still thinks it's fun to be the scorpion! (ultra compulsive, though). And 18 Capricorn is a striving to manifest the creativity ON EARTH, and being a bit more than halfway through the sign, it is just immersed enough in that experience to pull it off as necessary, but it is still relatively fresh in that experience. Add these four together, (and this is only my symbolic way of explaining, not something to be taken personally by people who have planets around said points) and you have a slightly increased understanding of how quintiles operate. Note also, that all 4 elements are represented... all 3 modalities too, for that matter... indeed I feel the quintile, in its peculiar manner of neutrality, has a sense of "including everything" because everything is the same on some level... in fact, I'd say quintiles influence that style of thinking (like the scientific perception of all physical substances being merely different combinations and movements of the same basic stuff) Quintiles seem good for "sciencey" thinking in general, and particularly for what is labeled "humanism"... which can range from classic science-oriented humanism to Satanism (which is actually a ritualized form of humanistic philosophy semi-popularized by a man named Anton LaVey in the mid to late 20th century, not traditional "devil-worship" and depraved activities) Wiccans and other types of pagans use the five pointed "Pentagram" like they do, but I have to admit ignorance to why they consider it significant. I will, however, hazard a guess that a fair number of them don't understand its real significance. However, put in the hands of someone who actually is spiritually oriented as opposed to purely physical minded (like science "skeptics" who usually hate astrology) the plane of mind embodied in the quintile can create pure genius. I think it's a bit similar to Uranus in some ways, too -EW
I will also add that I think quintiles definitely DO relate to capacities that are latent and not part of what we normally, automatically would do... "specialized capacities" that must be consciously and deliberately tapped into, as was said, does indeed seem to be an accurate assessment.
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Post by Kim Falconer on Feb 27, 2006 21:17:48 GMT
Hello EW, welcome to the forum. Please take a moment to join up! Your post is interesting and diverse. You bring up the degrees of a sign without mentioning the decans or dwads overtly, though I get that your thinking about them intuitively. (for example, 18 Capricorn is in the 2nd decan (Taurus) and the Leo Dwad—merging the cardinal modality with the fixed. Scorpio at 6 degrees is the revers (fixed decan, but cardinal dwad –Capricorn!) These ‘fractals’ of the signs have something to offer in delineations as well and it’s good you brought it to the surface! As far as the Pentagram goes, my experience is that the shamans, druids and witches working with this energy know exactly what it is. The Pentagram is a symbol of life, of power: it summons or protects, binds and banishes, depending on how it is used. As with the number 5, it is a figure of life, freedom, creation (destruction) and it’s link with the division of the circle (aspects) seems to have a Pluto feel (Robert Hand reinforces this line of thinking). The power sensed in a quintile may be one reason why we ‘resist’ developing the energy until later in life. We feel, perhaps, we need to be strong enough for it! Kim
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Post by samina on Feb 28, 2006 4:07:07 GMT
What an interesting thread! So much food for thought. I really appreciate how much everyone has shared here. I took a peak at my chart and came up with the following quintiles/bi-quintiles. I'll take a stab at interpreting them, and sharing how I may have experienced their energies. **Cancer Sun (9th house cnj MC) bi-Q Scorpio Moon (2nd house) -- I'm actually getting a big FOOD hit on this one... The cooking/nurturing-loving Cancer Sun, world-traveling (9th -- I travelled not literally but through different types of cuisines) professionally (MC -- I worked in fine restaurants for many years] through many wonderful culinary experiences, creating and giving (Moon) a lot of pleasure & sensual comfort (2nd). I have a huge appetite (Moon in Scorpio, 9th house) for the pleasure that can be experienced & shared in the whole food & wine realm. And cocooning others to experience exquisite, memorable dining experiences has been a love & a gift since I was a child. I wouldn't be "me" without this. I also get a sense of a strong pattern of polarity with this one: masculine/feminine, extrovert/introvert. I have many opposing qualities integrated very strongly in my personality, which I'm able to tap into like flicking a switch. I get a sense of "inner marriage", if that makes sense. **Sun (9th/MC) Q Pluto (12th) -- When I want to express or accomplish something, I am absolutely determined to achieve it; I'll hide myself away and soak up everything I can, and am powerfully compelled to practice whatever needs to be practiced to achieve it. Also, throughout my life I've experienced teaching many, many times from the "spiritual" realm. It's been a very powerful connection that's always been with me. I've found a lot of success in areas where I've by-passed the more traditional learning routes by using & trusting these hidden resources. I've also been into energy-healing since I was a kid, including all the ways you can heal self & others by shifting your own state of being (Mind). I get that this quintile has a lot of restorative ability. **Scorpio Moon (2nd) Q Pluto (12th) -- Can you say "intense"? LOLOL... But also, there's a lot of emotional power here. A very strong ability to concentrate, to focus my feelings and desires and intentions. I know that I've used this ability to manifest a lot of things in my life that are uncommon, because I'm willing to go in my feelings where most people won't. I've faced very powerful emotions, a lot of grief & pain & such. And consequently, there's very, very little that shocks or deeply frightens me. Facing the fear of death or annihilation is very empowering, once you get to the other side. I think that, together with the Sun Q Pluto aspect, these two quintiles have been responsible for a profound shamanic type of questing from the time I was very young, and there's a lot of metaphysical & healing energy in them. Accessing and developing these talents has been intense & grueling at times, but they've given me some wonderful benefits, that's for sure. **Gemini Mercury (9th) Q Uranus (11th/12th) -- I've always been an independent thinker, willing to ask questions several shades removed from what the mainstream might consider the cutting edge. Despite the non-edgy appearance of my Libra rising, strong Saturn & conservative Cancer & Taurus energies, I'm actually, underneath, radically non-conformist. And despite all the water in my chart, very precise and logical in my thinking. Strong analytical skills. I don't have a college degree, but because I knew I had this aptitude I was able to maneuver it into a very technical corporate career that usually requires advanced degrees. I'm very, very grateful for whatever talent this quintile has given me! I've also been an independent learner since elementary school, always taking a different route to learn, maybe through independent study or in a small tutoring environment instead of the regular classroom. I've always excelled at learning that way; even now, when I want to learn something that's how I approach it, and I tend to make sudden radical jumps in acquiring knowledge. Taurus Jupiter (8th) Q Pisces Saturn (5th/6th) -- Huh. I'm drawing a blank on this. I'm getting the sensation that I've thought all the thoughts I'm gonna think today. LOL I'll have to return to this quintile another time. But very interesting looking at these aspects. They really explain a lot, I think. They've hit on what I would call my strongest & most compelling talents, the ones that needed expression right away, from childhood. Very interesting! I didn't mean for any of this to sound like bragging... we're talking talents, after all, so we're describing some of our greatest assets! If we can't acknowledge them, it'll sure be hard to use'em! BTW Chrissy & legolas, I'm another beauty-lovin' Libra-rising poster... <raising coffee-table art book in solidarity LOL> Keep talking about these aspects... they are fascinating!!!! samina
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Post by etherworm on Feb 28, 2006 4:23:26 GMT
Hi Kim.... I'll go ahead and retract my remark regarding the pentagram; I was drawing mostly from my own experience of seeing people (especially since I live in an area where not much metaphysical goes on) who, frankly, have no idea what they are doing... once I saw... and I swear I am not joking, a half-improved handfasting where they did the pricking with an industrial box cutter! An Exacto knife. She cut his hand so deep his blood almost half filled the wine glass (a bit creepily, he showed no pain and insisted that the ceremony continue), he turned very corpse like, and had to go to the hospital. Nothing ever freaks me out, but that incident did (mostly due to how he looked after losing all that blood... really did look like a cadaver; gave me quite the "mortality jolt")
But I am nonetheless going to settle for standing corrected here. As much as we might have to admit that there are a lot of poseurs out there, I made a bit of a crass, generalizing remark that I shouldn't have just because of my own relative lack of exposure to wiccans, pagans, etc. who actually know what they're doing, lol. And I've NEVER met any druids or shamans.
About the decanates and dwads... you hit the nail on the head regarding why I didn't mention them... my interpretation was purely intuitive and giving it that kind of analytical structure would have thrown it off at the time.
As for "joining up"... you mean like introducing myself? Well, a few months ago, I joined another online astrology forum, MSN Horoscopeschat, and I started giving readings that quickly became very popular (this, by the way, is an example of boasting, not bragging. There is a distinct difference) I have received excellent feedback, and some people have told me I should be able to make some $$ off it, so I have come to the decision that I am going to start charging for readings in the relatively near future. I still feel there are some things I need to learn and practice before getting serious about it; I think I will know when the time is right to go into full swing. I will admit that some degree of fear is holding me back a bit, but having discussions in online forums such as this is part of my "quest" for increasing the knowledge that will help get me down that path. Because the practice is valuable, I do give free readings from time to time. As I said, I don't feel entirely ready to fully jump into it yet, and right now my approach is still "experimental"... I want to continue developing a cohesive, practical approach, but I as have the side of me that is willing to go out on a limb and try all sorts of offbeat symbols and techniques, including stuff the more "science" minded astrologers consider invalid (btw I have the strong convinction that we don't need to kiss "skeptics'" butts). That is kind of how I got started; I employed a very offbeat, more "inspired" than logically "accurate" technique of "karmic astrology" I got from a kind of rare, somewhat "occulty" book I randomly found in a used bookstore, which ended up inspiring me a lot and changing my perspective in a lot of ways, although it could easily be critiqued as weird, inaccurate, and too fantasy-oriented. I will try many different approaches, though
Well, I'm glad to be here.. it is good to find another place where good astrology discussion is generated. Kim, I had already read some of your articles, and I am quite impressed by them. It is a pleasure to meet you.
-EW
btw one more thing about quintiles/biquintiles... Hitler and Einstein both had prominent configurations of them. Which seems to further the theory that it relates to "impersonal genius"
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Post by Kim Falconer on Feb 28, 2006 20:59:05 GMT
Hello EW, Thanks for your reply and introduction. (and ‘no worries’ re the Pentagram comment!) This forum might be a great place for you to engage in astrological discussions and gain further knowledge/confidence. I do encourage you to read as many charts as possible,-- friends, family, 'famous people'-- so you can get a feel for how and why and where inner and outer events, character and destiny 'works' in the chart. Your contributions here are appreciated! Warmly, Kim
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Post by legolas on Feb 28, 2006 22:50:56 GMT
Here is something i found in an astrologybook: "the quintile. This is an aspect of exactly 72 degrees.There is hardly paid attention to it,it is the perfect balance,related to the pentagram and the golden ratio.Also to the minor third and the soul of the nation of the Bohemian:the creative art flourishes from it!It gives pure combined action,harmonic connections,rithm,relaxation". Here is something i found on the internet: "sun/venus conjunction. The Sun,the light,and Venus,the heart,qualitative this points to the human who is connected,who gives light,who is creative,who carries the love within.So love in a lightgiving,creative way!The number 5 can also be found in the aspect of the quintile in the chart,that can give this same characteristic of being connected and this tremendous creativeness(like the bi-quintile,that because of 12 times 12 also has the quality of completion)". I find this very interesting if you look to Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart.When he was very young he asked a violin to his parents and they gave him a toy-violin.He screamed,didn't like it at all:he wanted a real violin!Not pretending to play,but to make real music.Maybe because of his quintiles... I find it so interesting the quintiles,because of the relation with and the symbolism of the pentagram:the human how he should be. And Samina,nice to meet you here!
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Post by Kim Falconer on Mar 1, 2006 21:25:27 GMT
Thanks for those quotes, Legolas. What astrology book did it come from? What website. Can you tell us the authors? Kim
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Post by legolas on Mar 2, 2006 16:13:43 GMT
The quote is out of a book which is not available in english,only in dutch.It is from a female dutch astrologer,who wrote three books with the subject astrology:a general one,aspects and medical astrology.In my opinion great books and it is a shame it's not translated in other languages.She also wrote other books,in total 30(!).She is a vegetarian all her life,and i am too for 17 years now,only she is 98(!) now.I went to see her about a year ago,to explain my chart,and it was very helpful.The only books translated in english for as far as i know is "plantwisdom" and "the magic of precious stones" and she is called Mellie Uyldert. The quote from the internet is of an article of Joyce Hoen,but this particular article is only in dutch.However,there are many articles also in english.The site is www.astrologie.ws
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Post by Kim Falconer on Mar 2, 2006 22:18:19 GMT
Thanks for that, Legolas (Mellie sounds amazing!). Kim
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Post by etherworm on Mar 3, 2006 2:36:36 GMT
Thanks Kim
>>I do encourage you to read as many charts as possible,-- friends, family, 'famous people'-- so you can get a feel for how and why and where inner and outer events, character and destiny 'works' in the chart.>>
how about your birth data? Would you mind sharing? :-)
-EW
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