7 Chakras and Natal charts

[Xihp]

Does anyone have any insight on how the 7 chakars and the contacts of a person's Natal chart affect one another?

The reason I ask is because I have noticed that as I become more spiritually aware, I become more conscious of the expression of certain aspects in my Natal chart. This caused me to contemplate the affect of the Chakras on one's overall awareness. I have mentioned this theory in a post once before. Consider the three levels or degrees of natal interaction.

1. The inner planets, which have been said to address surface conscious awareness. (Body)

2. The outer planets, which are said to address subconscious awareness (Spirit)

3. The asteroids, which I believe address advanced spiritual awareness. (Soul)

Kim can definitely comment on that.

Anyway, I think that the level a person is most consciously aware of, out of the three, is determined by which chakra level is most activated. Has anyone had the experience to back this up? Your comments here would be greatly appreciated.

[Aphrodite]

I have been trying to find time to properly answer this question and just haven't been able. I have volumes of thoughts on this topic, but no time. (Can't quit the day job!)

Short answer: I agree with #1 (maybe - somewhat). Nevertheless, it is only a starting point. In reality, the personal planets are involved with every aspect of your being. I can't endorse #2 or #3 because I think the statements are too simplistic. No time to really get in to it. Although I will say that we would have to first agree to the definitions of "spirit" and "soul" before any meaningful discussion. Finally, I don't relate any of these to chakras, although you certainly could. It would apply. I haven't ever had a reason to use astrology in this way because I really have not worked with chakras very much. If/when I do, I will likely use any stellar body that fits the situation.

My theory on why I haven't been attracted to "chakras" is that I have difficulty isolating my awareness of them. Everything within me flows/blends together. I have Neptune in the 1st house and lots of water in my chart (Moon in Pisces and Grand Water Trine - Venus, Jupiter/Chiron and Neptune). Like you, I also have strong Pluto/Scorpio influences. The difference is that I have a T-square pivoting off my 8th hs Sun - square to the Jupiter/Chiron opposition to Pluto. Jupiter/Chiron and Pluto are in easy aspect to Neptune and Venus (vague and lazy).

On the other hand, you have Sun(Eros - exact) tightly conjunct Pluto in highly analytical and critical Virgo. Sun(Eros) and Pluto are fused together - inseparable. Eros and Pluto are literally part of you! Therefore, using the concept of chakras as your focus, I can't imagine that you would miss much by turning your inner eye back upon yourself. (I get a vision of the "Eye of Sauron" from the Lord of the Rings just thinking about it! LOL) I'm guessing that this is a powerful and enlightening practice for you. You are aware of so much. Now your quest is to truly understand it all.

Much will become clearer to you as your knowledge base of astrology grows. Thus far, we humans have catalogued over 40,000 asteroids. Also, there are billions of stars, quasars, black holes and energy sources of all kinds. Finally, we can interpret much from the interaction of the major stellar bodies that generate energy from all kinds of points, angles and aspects. Every day you will find something new or look at something in an entirely new way. Just remember to keep everything in perspective. If everything is important, then nothing is important! Therefore, everything relates back to basic astrology.

Probably not what you were looking for. But you ask HARD questions that would take hours to answer. It would take a book to properly answer your post. I can certainly emphasize, though. I do the same thing all the time.

[Aphrodite]

Ok. So now I remember that there are already excellent books on this topic. I seriously recommend that you pick up a copy of each!

Green, Jeffrey Wolf (1985), Pluto I: Evolutionary Journey of the Soul
Green, Jeffrey Wolf (1997), Pluto II: The Evolution of the Soul through Relationships (Paperback) - REVISED EDITION July 31, 2009

Also, there is a new book by Green's daughter that I just became aware of... Evolutionary Astrology: Pluto and Your Karmic Mission by Deva Green.

These are not light reading, but worth the effort.

Warmest wishes to you,

Aphrodite

P.S. I noticed that you seemed to be quoting some material in your post. Who were you referring to when you say "have been said" or "are said to"?

[Xihp]

Thank you so much for your comments Aphrodite. As usual, you give me something new to think about.

you have Sun(Eros - exact) tightly conjunct Pluto in highly analytical and critical Virgo. Sun(Eros) and Pluto are fused together - inseparable. Eros and Pluto are literally part of you!

This seems to be quite interesting, yet I don't completely understand it. Could you please explain a little further? What does it mean to for me to have Eros and Pluto as a part of me literally? Is there something I should know? I swear, right now I feel like I am in the middle of a "Dark Night of the Soul" so any understanding that could help me to get through this would be highly valued.

I'm guessing that this is a powerful and enlightening practice for you. You are aware of so much. Now your quest is to truly understand it all.

BINGO! You are exactly right with your guess about me here. Because of my increased awareness and perception, I experience so many extraordinary and unbelievable things that beckon me to find an answer and discover their reason or cause. In so doing, I come upon life's deeper meaning. The world, and it's material focus, no longer have any appeal. For me the universal mysteries are what make life worthwhile.

Short answer: I agree with #1 (maybe - somewhat). Nevertheless, it is only a starting point. In reality, the personal planets are involved with every aspect of your being. I can't endorse #2 or #3 because I think the statements are too simplistic. No time to really get in to it.


The reason I began to speculate about the relationship between chakras and astrology is through my own personal experience. In my natal chart, my Moon and Venus are both in Libra (air) and my Mars is in Aquarius (air), yet in practice, I mostly find myself attracted to either Pisces, Cancer, and Scorpio, all of which are water signs. Because of this, I began to wonder if other aspects of my natal chart expression were influencing my preference.

Although I will say that we would have to first agree to the definitions of "spirit" and "soul" before any meaningful discussion.

By "Spirit" I am referring to one's essential design and nature. (DNA) The emotional center. By "Soul" I am referring to a Holistic state of consciousness that has harmoniously combined the sensations of the body with the emotional feelings of spirit to produce the soul.

To know the essence of a thing allows us to see how it fits into the grand scheme, and this reveals it's purpose. To know a thing's purpose is to know what it means, and this is the function of the soul, to discern meaning. (Also known as the third eye.)

The third eye is the 6th Chakra, but the 7th Chakra is the Crown Chakra which is the level of Christ Consciousness, also known as the collective consciousness. I believe that as one moves closer to these higher stages they become more cognizant of the affects of the outer planets and the asteroids. This level of consciousness causes one to become more aware of life's subtitles in every regard and so the affects of the outer planets and asteroids become more profound due to increased sensitivity.

That said, I personally do not seem to be so affected romantically, or sexually by the inner planets of my natal chart. My Venus in Libra, which deals primarily in attraction, has no apparent influence over who I am attracted to. Nor do I have any significant desire for Aquarius, which is the sign of my Mars. Actually, I find that I do not generally get along with an Aquarius for very long.

For many years I have been working on soul development, and so far, only the activation of my "Psyche" by another's "Eros" has gotten my attention.

From this basic astrological understanding of the mythology, I came to conclude that _

*Venus and Mars combine to express sensual and sexual pleasure of the physical form. (Body)

*Pluto adds intensity and passionate emotion. (Spirit)

*Eros, some say is a higher octave of Mars, while others claim that it actually has the combined effect of Venus, Mars, and Pluto. (Spirt)

*Psyche expresses the enlightenment gained through the trials and tribulation of life. (Soul)

Eros & Psyche combined, then, should express Soulful Passion between two people.

In the myth, Venus became envious of the attention that Psyche received for her beauty. Psyche was then put through all sorts of test which led to her finally being exalted to the level of goddess so she could marry the god, Eros.

This seems like a plausible explanation for why a "Big butt and a smile" is pointless to me. I need something more, something much more for me to develop an interest in someone. I need a deeply spiritual connection otherwise none of it seems worth the effort. Without the spiritual component I am always left feeling empty inside. The sociopaths of the world seem to be content with the physical pleasures of Venus alone, but I cannot live without my Psyche being fulfilled.

[Aphrodite]

"What does it mean to for me to have Eros and Pluto as a part of me literally? Is there something I should know? I swear, right now I feel like I am in the middle of a "Dark Night of the Soul"..."

Hmmm, says Aphrodite.... I know of a way that you can begin to understand. Before that can happen, however, your Psyche must perform an important task. Are you up for a challenge? Can she do it for you?

Aphrodite

[Xihp]

Certainly, I am definitely up for the challenge. I guess me going through this "Dark Night of the Soul" is the myth of Eros and Psyche playing out in my life right now as we speak. Hopefully my Psyche will be able to pull this off.

Do you know of something that I must face, in particular, which can be determined by my chart? Does it have anything to do with my first question about Eros and Pluto being a part of me? Please, do tell, I'd like to know.

[Xihp]

Concerning the topic at hand: I think possibly the chakras determine which planetary aspects are activated within a person. It would seem that as we learn life lessons, and elevate up through the chakras, that we develop different needs and wants causing different portions of the natal chart to be more strongly required. Does this make sense to anyone else?

[retroola]

Hi Xihp!

Very interesting topic! Recently I've been wondering myself a lot about Chakras (and further Kundalini) in the astro chart. So I've been inspired to look up my yogi books and sources and dig deeper into this.

I am not really an expert but I think that if we talk about chakras and astrology, most important knowledge is still in hinduism, sanskrit texts and vedic astrology, because it is really the source of anything about chakras and I think it's the most accurate and true base, sth that can be trusted.

So traditionally:
1st chakra Muladhara - Saturn
2nd chakra Svadisthana - Jupiter
3rd chakra Manipura - Mars
4th chakra Anahata - Venus
5th chakra Visuddha - Mercury
6th chakra Ajna Sun/Moon
7th chakra Sahasrara - no planet as it is above all

I suppose that maybe if someone has 'stressful' aspects or placement concerning any planet it would 'result' as some kind of nonbalance or blockade of given chakra (and that would have an impact on physical and any other bodies)

And opened chakras are the good start for Kundalini rising.

And in my opinion very important is the knowledge that what in astrology represents the way Kundalini rises in sushuma through the chakras is North/South Node axis!
I am wondering how all this has to do with the importance and meaning of Draconic chart?

There are some useful links I found on the subject:
'Kundalini, Astrology and Yoga' vedicastrologycenter.net/blog/astrology-forecast/215/
Astrology & the Chakras www.innerself.com/Astrology/chakras.htm
'Planets and Chakras' by D. Rudhyar khaldea.com/rudhyar/astroarticles/planetsandchakras.php


And about spiritual awarness born as a result of union - twinsoul meeting - I've come to the conclusion that 4th (heart chakra) is really the key one.

Very interesting thing mentioned in the first link is "Love is the best Yoga and will awaken the kundalini naturally. (Real Love, devotional love – not our typical ego-centric love)'

I believe that Eros/Psyche union is about that real love. If Eros=Love&Passion, Psyche=Soul, so the Eros/Psyche means 'Passionate Love/ Loving the Soul' or 'Soul Love/Passion'.

And if the 4th chakra is touching love so can we put there also Eros? And does it mean that Venus type of love is ego-based? So how would that connect to the chakras? Would it be a mistake taking Venus for the 4th chakra?

Or maybe at first our love is ego-based but only when Love-Eros (which is still Venus' son and emissary) reaches Soul-Psyche (in life and in astrological chart), it can transform into 'Real Love' and open the heart chakra (and maybe transform Venus in our chart and us)?
Well, it is still Venus the initiator of all this in the myth. So does it have impact on her?

As for the twinsouls - look also at the last chakra before Sahasrara. It's the balance of the Sun/Moon (masculine/feminine) that needs to be done before full spiritual awareness in the 7th chakra.
Thus far I have been looking at this balancing stuff from the viewpoint of Tao and twinsouls concept but realizing this now through the chakras viewpoint made it much more complete for me.

Hmm, more questions than answers....

[Xihp]

Wow! That was incredible Retroola! Seems as though we are traveling along the same path.

These links that you've posted confirm my suspicions about the relationship between astrology and the chakras. I need to do more research in this area in order to form a cohesive understanding between the two. Both sciences give us deep insight into the eternal design of the self for all human beings. I am dumbfounded by the accuracy! Each day I continue to discover new things through personal experience that validate the predictions. It's amazing! Because of this, I believe that the day will soon come where lying and deceit will become impossible between individuals. Wouldn't that be wonderful? Of course, there would be some growing pangs at first, but ultimately it would lay the foundation for paradise.

And about spiritual awarness born as a result of union - twinsoul meeting - I've come to the conclusion that 4th (heart chakra) is really the key one.

You may be right, but I had suspected that it was a combination of the 4th heart chakra and the 7th crown chakra. I saw the two as creating a rotation of energy between the two people, entering at one point and exiting at the other, in order to enter and exit the other person in the exact same way.

I believe that Eros/Psyche union is about that real love. If Eros=Love&Passion, Psyche=Soul, so the Eros/Psyche means 'Passionate Love/ Loving the Soul' or 'Soul Love/Passion'.

I am currently in the middle of an experience which I am using to determine if what you say is true. I actually believe that it may be, but I have been unable to confirm it so far. I have an Eros / Psyche conjunction in my synastry with someone, but as it goes with the myth, there are many obstacles and challenges to overcome. I think I am at the point of the myth, right now, where Psyche shines the light on Eros in order to see him and then he flees.

In discussing this with a friend last night, I described the difference between Venus and Psyche. I told him that in my Venus / Mars conjunctions in past relationships, there was a sexual and physical attraction of the body. We always wanted to rub and touch one another.

Now, in the Eros / Psyche conjunction, the experience is more like an attraction of the essential "Life Force" energy. It is an extremely humbling experience where there is always an awareness of God and the eternal nature. One's ego is automatically dissolved and the soul is awakened. I have never experienced anything like this before in my life. I am still trying to come to terms with it.

And if the 4th chakra is touching love so can we put there also Eros? And does it mean that Venus type of love is ego-based? So how would that connect to the chakras? Would it be a mistake taking Venus for the 4th chakra?

That's a good question and I haven't got the slightest idea. At least, not yet.

Or maybe at first our love is ego-based but only when Love-Eros (which is still Venus' son and emissary) reaches Soul-Psyche (in life and in astrological chart), it can transform into 'Real Love' and open the heart chakra (and maybe transform Venus in our chart and us)?

Ah! I like where you are going with this. This seems plausible to me. It seems to be consistent with my own experiences at the moment. I think we need to further explore this line of thinking.

[Aphrodite]

I sent you a PM.

[Xihp]

I sent you one back.