Venus, Eros, and Psyche.

[Xihp]

In examining the myth of "Eros and Psyche" I have come to conclude that the way these three are expressed in astrology is as follows.

Eros = Spirt, passion, the human essence. (internal)

Venus = Physical beauty, sensation, aesthetics. (external)

Psyche = Soul, holistic meaning, enlightenment. (eternal)

With that said, Eros conjunct Venus would seem to indicate passion driven by appearances and superficial, transitory values.

Eros conjunct psyche would indicate passion ignited by unconditional qualities unaffected by space or time.

When Eros conjunct Psyche is expressed in synastry the two people are capable of forming a Holy Trinity between themselves and God. This is the objective of Twin flame relationships.

I don't think it is possible for individuals to active the Eros Psyche aspect until they have each achieved a certain degree of soul development and spiritual evolution. This will allow an ascension of consciousness into the higher chakras of the heart, throat, 3rd eye and crown.

Has anyone else experienced this directly and studied it for themselves?

[norain]

I think I agree with most of what you posted.
My only exception is that I think Eros conj Venus might more indicate putting passion into what you are "drawn to" or what you like. I don't see anything that is superficial there. Indeed, effects from very short-term contacts to Eros or Psyche, OR Venus tend to long-lasting effects.
I don't think a person can help be changed by any Eros conj Psyche synastry experience. Does not matter what your evolutionary stage, whether you are spirtiual or really earthy, you get an effect. Now, what that effect IS, is dependent on where you are, what your life purpose is, etc. Contrary to some ways to thinking, spiritual is not necessarily better, nor is it "what we are striving for in this existence". Its just another facet of life.
What you said about the chakras I think is only sometimes true. Depends on what your path is. I have two friends that have a path directly away from spiritual growth, they already have "too much" of that, and need to develop some thinking skills, and learn to communicate. These folks have a different experience. Its a balance of chakras like everything else that we're after here. The whole experience is important, not one end or the other, one subject or another.
One thing we see looking at for instance Eros conj Psyche in synastry is that this is an important relationship for these folks. You should find in all cases not just the Eros/Psyche contact, but other strong contacts with personal planets as well. Once you see the asteroid contact, then look for the planet contacts, they nearly always are present as well. Many times with Eros closely conj Psyche there will be Pluto aspected to Venus as well, or other contacts that indicate the level of passion.
Then the question is: What happens where there is an exact Eros/Psyche or Sappho contact, and there is no possible way to directly express it? Where does the energy go?
If the conjunction is within one person's natal chart, then the energy would be expressed as passion in whatever area of life where they have the most current communication. Between two people who cannot express their mutual passion towards each other, the expression will manifest wherever they "do" anything or "communicate" anything. This will allow the aspect to move the individuals toward balance by its expression, no matter what form.

I think its true that Eros conj Psyche indicates passion unaffected by space and time. However, it does seem to be affected by communication level between the two people. Little communication, not much effect. Much communication, huge effect. Once they have communicated sufficiently, then the effects tend to not be diminished by distance or time. I've watched this in operation recently with friends.

Eros/Psyche seems to me to be much more rare and much more likely to indicate a karmic relationship (look to the rest of the chart) than a planetary aspect to either of these asteroids.

So her Psyche is conjunct my South Node which is conjunct Juno, and opposing Pluto. Hey, this was a super strong attraction! But, Psyche was very uncomfortable, since Pluto is NOT Eros, and Juno (my wife) was there to protect her interests. Pluto-Psyche brings intensity and depth, but not the resolution to the true-love longing of Psyche...so she moves on.

[Xihp]

Thanx Norain

That was very insightful. I certainly agree with you about the level of communication and the impact of the Eros / Psyche conjunction. Also, in my experience, the thing about it that got my attention was the consistent telepathy between myself and the other person. Along with that were all sorts of external synchronicities that continue to occur. It's as if God himself is playing "Peek-a-Boo" with me, through her. LOL! Lastly, are the intense and deeply profound passions felt in the presence of one another. Regardless of where our eyes may be, our attentions are fixed on each other. If this isn't a Twin Flame, then I can't imagine what else could possibly be.

You were also right about the Pluto / Venus aspect. There is a conjunction. Until you mentioned it, I hadn't realized that there was a relationship between Eros / Psyche and Pluto / Venus. How did you come to discover the nature of that relationship; I would really like to know.

Something that I also failed to mention is that Her eros conjuncts my Psyche, and my Eros trines her Psyche. I know that with asteroids conjunctions are what counts, but since we have a double wammy conjunction / trine, I wondered if the trines affect would further enhance the Eros / Psyche affect between us?

[norain]

Pluto conj Venus is just a more deep and intense version of Mars conj Venus. Pluto can scare Venus away with too much power, too much depth, where Pluto conj Neptune would understand each other.
You can say these pairs are similar, and are harmonics of each other:
Mars/Venus
Eros/Psyche
Pluto/Neptune

Mars/Eros/Pluto all male or active, Venus/Psyche/Neptune female, or receptive.
Eros to Venus would definitely attract, but they are on different "octaves" so would not synchronize like Eros to Psyche would. Venus understands the energies of Mars best. He completes her.

In my own chart I have Eros conj Psyche. Also, I have Pluto square Venus, typical when there is a Eros/Psyche contact.
So you have mutual contacts between Eros and Psyche? Wow! Thats intense! Yes, the trine will add to the mix. The square acts like "I just have to make love to you right now!", where the trine is like, "Lets get a nice room and make love when you're ready."

With mutual Eros/Psyche you should have lots of karmic stuff in the charts. Check what is aspecting the N.Node and S.Node, and what houses the nodes fall into in your 2 charts. This will let you see how you are helping each other grow and why in this lifetime.
Pluto can't properly make love to Venus, he has too much power. To keep her happy he can't use it all on her, so the extra energy generated from this relationship must go somewhere. It will translate to Eros and Mars. Both will benefit. The house and sign containing Mars shows what part of life in each of you where that energy is expressed. In your case Eros is busy with Psyche, so we KNOW what his energy is doing!
Look at Saturn Uranus and Chiron. This kind of relationship should show at least one pretty solid Saturn or Uranus contact to a personal planet.
Saturn: She makes me want to stay with her forever
Uranus: She makes me crazy, but she's so exciting
Chiron, the healer helps us balance Saturn and Uranus energies. It heals us from too much suppression (Saturn) and too much change (Uranus).
Psyche will not easily give up on Eros, Venus on Mars, or Neptune on Pluto. They want to hold onto their partner. Mutual aspects between the charts mostly solve that problem, bringing more balance.
I find that even 6-8 degree orbs for conjunctions of Eros/Psyche here are pretty strong attractions. 3 degree orb, the attraction is so strong you want to run for cover, 1 degree orb, you can only run toward her! ;D

[norain]

This is a pretty intense connection. If you can avoid power struggles, it will be wonderful. ;D
Her Psyche exactly squares her Moon Nodes. Juno is conjunct her N.Node, and Eros is loosly conjunct also. Your Psyche is square hers. Someone comment on what that aspect does?
The sum of all this though is that she will use intense, spiritual, and emotional relationships to move her toward becoming more confident and be more willing to be the center of attention.
Juno conjunct the N.Node for her is like a goal, where she can be allied with another, yet control her environment. That sounds a lot like a woman with a family to me. I think the square from Psyche could indicate being pulled off course by others in this goal. This is good overall as it forces a person to "toughen up" and make their own decisions. Psyche sq Psyche between you tends to amplify this, forcing both of you to make decisions about your relationship you may want to avoid.
There may be some indecision, the square at work, but your trine from your Eros should help with that.
This is a non-trival relationship for both of you, thats for sure.

[norain]

Ok, I meant her Juno conj N.Node is like a goal to get married. Its really important to her development. By married I don't mean what most mean, but anyway, Juno wants control over her destiny, her family, her domain, then she is happy.
No, I don't think the Psyche square will make too much trouble, you guys are so established now its likely not too much trouble.
The S.Node is where she is coming from, so if you already had a wife, well, she would be opposing the wife (Juno), but if not, then it becomes her seeing that position (wife) as a good thing for her progress on her path.
One interesting thing here is that Her Pallas trines her Juno, so she has a built-in warrior to help Juno
I know you have all that Virgo there, so don't over-complicate this. ;D
(Let me do it! haha)
Your Psyche is at: 23 Leo 16 (23 deg, 16 min Leo)
Your Eros is at: 27 Virgo 29
Her Psyche is at: 22 Taurus 14
Her Eros is at: 18 Leo 12

I don't have the birth locations, and her birth time, so positions may vary slightly by 1 or 2 minutes of a degree.
Her Lilith at 27 Virgo 08 exactly conjuncts your sun at 27 Virgo 39 which is exactly conjunct your Eros at 27 Virgo 29. (I call it exact when its in the same degree, its more dramatic )
I'm no expert on Lilith, maybe someone else can comment on that conjunction. Lilith is a kind of female warrior also. But, here Lilith gives the capacity to constructively release repressed anger and resolve conflict. (from book "Asteroid Godesses")
So, possible that you will release your anger constructively but passionately? That sounds like fun to me!
Lilith is a lot more than this, so others may have more depth on it.
By the way, your own Lilith exactly conjuncts your Moon at about 15 deg Libra, which is conjunct her Pluto at 18 deg Libra, and that squares her Sun at 9 Cancer. So you have mutual Lilith/Sun aspects.
Intense is the word.
The question is how Lilith conj your Sun/Eros works. How exactly does this energy get expressed? Someone out there know?

[Aphrodite]

Oct 19, 2009 0:22:04 GMT Xihp said:

^{Juno conjunct the N.Node for her is like a goal, where she can be allied with another, yet control her environment. That sounds a lot like a woman with a family to me.}

What exactly do you mean by this?

He is talking about her potential - her destiny. I think you can find a description of her here...

www.proverbs31woman.com/

Aphrodite

[Xihp]

Oh, I see.

[taumoonscpvenus]

I'm curious about the Eros/Psyche conj as well. This is the first time I have experienced it... well, I met the person 12 yrs ago- we were tied to the hip- nothing romantic, but Feb 09 it went to a different level... there are also a couple other planets conj to the Eros/Pysche combo as well.

Me- all in Sag-
Neptune- 18.05
Sun- 19.33
Psyche- 22.30

Him-
Neptune- 16.01
Eros-19.32

Also, I read about there should be other aspect as well... We have my Pluto opp his Venus within a couple mins. with a hand full of Saturn, Uranus and Neptune aspects...

Plus talking about Venus/Mars/Eros/Juno...

We have Venus squ Mars and Mars conj Venus...

But I'm really wanting to know more info about Juno since we have a pattern with Juno...

My Juno conj his Mars
and His Juno conj my Eros (since Eros and Mars shares some of the same energy)

How does Juno play with Eros/Mars?

Thanks if anybody could give me a little bit more info!