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Post by tom on Jun 5, 2008 20:56:38 GMT
i've posted a new article on persephone at thecosmicpath.com (scroll down till you see my name - below the daily forecast), and i think it would be interesting to get a dialogue on persephone going. the article doesn't go into signs & houses (that's part ii for next month), but i'd like to hear where your persephone is, and what her placement says to you. i'm working with her at present as indicating a new way of being we wish someone would just come along already and usher us into. we're hesitant to mature in this area, is another way to say it. sometime we get abducted and sometimes we wait around until it's clear no one's coming to do it, and we just go ahead and do it ourselves. all of us have both experiences relative to our persephone placement. it doesn't have to be ushering us into our adulthood/adult sexuality, as it was for persephone, but it certainly can be. i'll start it off: mine's at 18 pisces in the 6th house, trine sun & trine MC/SN. for a few years i manifested people to show me that my body & health (6th) was how i could open to the something greater i was seeking (pisces). after moving to california, i seemed to quickly assemble a cast of friends who were body & energy workers, intuitives/psychics, and spiritual teachers, all of whom had experienced what i was hesitant to do - get in my body and take responsibility for it. in general, i've had a difficult time in 6th house matters, feeling i lack an understanding of how to introduce order (it doesn't help that pisces is on the cusp). for example, recently i realized that i don't really know how to eat (consistently), though i desire and intend to - part of me is waiting for someone else to abduct me into some kind of 6th house understanding! i've been experimenting with different ways of doing this, and it looks like a perpetual work in progress. also, historically, i've had persephone-related events when i moved from ohio to boston for east coast big-city culture (persephone on my libra venus-ASC when i decided to move), and when i moved from boston to los angeles to trade in my idea of quality of life to get healthier and happier, that resulted in doing the work i do now (persephone was on my 4th house NN when i decided to move). in each of those, i abducted myself because i knew it wasn't going to happen any other way. the first time, it was after 1.5 yrs of waiting for something more venusly interesting to happen around me, and then just admitting that it wasn't going to and getting into gear. what's she up to in you?
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Post by ariesmoon on Jun 6, 2008 18:13:18 GMT
Hi Tom and thanks for the great article on Persephone - it's reminded me to go back to look at her again having found out where she was when we were talking about Ceres!
She's at 5.46 Taurus, in my 12th - making up (with a 5 degree square) the empty leg of a fixed grand cross:
NN 9.29 Leo/Venus 10.26 Leo SN 9.29 Aquarius/Saturn Rx 10.27 Aquarius Neptune 10.54 Scorpio
She's also sextile the Sun at 4 Cancer, Ceres/Juno at 7 Cancer, and trine Pluto at 7 Virgo. (Love the link with Ceres sitting nearly at the Persephone/Pluto midpoint! Mother trying to come between them!)
I've struggled a great deal with 12th house probably because I have Taurus intercepted there - I've never got a handle on Taurus energy at all. I've always had a very Mercurial (Gem Ascendant/Mercury rising) attitude to life and have managed to rationalise most things. With the result that I've denied myself a great deal of affection and sensuality. With Pluto in the 5th it's been more of a drought in terms of relationships - I have deliberately avoided them because of fear of intimacy.
It's only recently - having been strongly attracted to a Sun sign Taurean, then to someone with a Taurus Asc conjunct my 12th house Mars/Taurus - that the Taurean energy has begun to wake up. Neither was a physical relationship but I felt abducted, if you like, by both of them in that both have been profoundly deep attractions and I had no choice at all about it! Like you, I've also encountered a new group of friends in the past year or so, who are very spiritual and are body and energy workers, one using sound healing which is very Taurean. So I'm obviously attracting the guides and healers I need to help me release this energy.
I'm finding too that opening up the Taurus energy has been the key to getting the hang of the fixed T-square - the polarity with Neptune in the 6th has been the key to opening up to spiritual healing (particularly reiki), and it's also helped me separate out the very tight opposition between Venus and Saturn and to see them as two separate energies not just one "fated to be unlucky in love" aspect!
One fascinating thing - on the day I finally left a career of 22 years which had exhausted me, and which no longer served me, Persephone was at 13.36 Gemini. My ruling planet, Mercury, is natally at 13.37 Gemini. That was the day I started to reinvent myself and my image to the world. I chose to leave that career, so I abducted myself from something very secure and safe in order to find something better (and healthier) for me.
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Post by Aphrodite on Jun 7, 2008 0:21:19 GMT
Hi Tom, Well... my Persephone is exactly 1/2 degree into my 7th house and exactly conjunct the composite Sun I share with my lover. "Willing victim" is how I would describe my abduction. In fact, I gave him little plastic handcuffs for Valentine Day this year! LOL Ah... You know the rest! Love, Aphrodite P.S. Do you use the asteroid #26 Proserpina? Mine is in HIS 12th house conjunct HIS Karma (about 4 deg from his Asc). I told him soon after we met that I would follow him to Hell, laugh at the Devil and drag his ass out. It may sound odd that I would blurt out something like that, but there it is. Also odd is that he wasn't taken aback by the statement. It was understood and accepted.
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Post by ariesmoon on Jun 7, 2008 10:31:11 GMT
Thanks Aphrodite, hadn't thought to look at Proserpina. Mine is at 24.03 Aquarius - conjunct draconic Sun (24.31 Aqua) and both are currently being hit by transiting Neptune, Chiron and North Node. Have to go away and think about that!
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Post by tom on Jul 2, 2008 2:45:54 GMT
persephone part ii is up at thecosmicpath.com! (i'm excited about this one...) i go into the astrology of persephone in natal signs and houses, and address how to approach someone living a persephone story who might seem to crying out for guidance - but since the archetypal process is about maturation and learning to do for one's self, there need to be boundaries.
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Post by ana on Jul 5, 2008 11:53:05 GMT
Okay......could not see the first P article but read the second one............I have Pers at 7 Pisces towards the end of 10th house square Mars 8 Gem in 1st and Merc 4 in 5th It is also trine Venus and Moon in Cancer and Ceres in Sco I do think I tend to wait for a job to come out of thin air but function best when I get it together to do my own thing such as various therapies and art work and astrology readings Would that make sense to you? Just trying to get this together again at the moment but I guess it would be Saturn in Virgo that is sitting on the energy and thwarting it....?
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Post by tom on Jul 5, 2008 18:42:28 GMT
hi ana - the first part was only up in june, each is up for one month only (i didn't anticipate doing any in two parts).
yes, in the 10th house it's about your place in the world, and can certainly be about work. that you know you function best when you get it together yourself means you can see what persephone never could (but then being consistent about doing it is another matter, i know).
but with saturn sitting on it, it's to show you what some hard work can reveal about the persephone part of you. the idea that saturn's thwarting it is what's thwarting it, if that makes sense. saturn's just asking you to do some hard work that will throw some light on your persephone, so whatever habits you might have about that persephone (waiting for a better job or something), saturn's giving you the opportunity to do something constructive to get beyond them.
are you thinking of changing jobs? or something else 10th house-related? including ambition, achievement, public respect, etc.
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Post by ariesmoon on Jul 6, 2008 7:12:32 GMT
Reading Tom's new article has woken this interest up again - probably because I haven't been dealing with it!
I've posted on this before, have Persephone in 12th in Taurus, trine Pluto (and transiting Saturn!) and sextile Sun/Juno/Ceres in Cancer. My Persephone story is playing out in a lack of self confidence (Taurus) because in usual life, it's such a challenge to me to surrender and let what's going to happen, happen (12th house). I have very loving and nurturing parents who, whilst I adore them. probably don't help me by trying to make things easy for me all the time. (Both have Pluto in Cancer, and my mum has it conjunct the Sun, Persephone and North Node, so it's clearly major work for her in this life). I'm realising I have to help her by being less reliant on her, which is a tough one. And by not running to her for advice, which I do. I'm the youngest child - not planned for so there's a big age gap between me and my brother and sister. Both had left home by the time I was 11, so I functioned effectively as an only child.
This isn't easy for me, but I'll do it as it's relevant to the Persephone story. I've made a few mistakes recently - trivial ones looking back - but my first reaction was to go to a Cancerian friend, and my Cancerian mother, for advice and, I admit, reassurance. Yes we all need that sometimes, but we also need to develop self-reliance. None of these mistakes was life-threatening but I felt I couldn't deal with them alone, which is very telling to me. Ceres sits in a sextile between Persephone and Pluto - it's almost like I have to check in with my literal mother, and/or mothering friends, to be self confident. It isn't mature though - and I'm trying not to be judgmental with myself there - but it does smack of running into the kitchen when I was five to tell mum I'd spilt a drink on the floor.
There is one place where everything works for me though - on stage. Performing. I've done amateur acting classes, and found I almost fell into it and found it liberating, freeing and I had extraordinary confidence. And acting is a process of surrender - once you've done the hard work and learned your lines, your ego disappears and you become the character. Or it should, if it doesn't, you're not acting. Surrending the ego is very much 12th house. It's also about surrendering to the beauty of nature, to physical expression of the body. I have Mars/Pallas in Taurus in the 12th too, so it's all the same message.
The connection to Perspephone? Asteroid Actor is on the same degree (5 Taurus). So that's one way in which I achieve the maturity and self reliance Persephone needs. And Pluto trining in the 5th (creative energy) supports that, as does transiting Saturn over Pluto (working at the moment to remind me to put structures in place to support my creativity). And not forgetting - which I did when I first wrote this earlier today - transiting Pluto which is trining Persephone from late Sag in my 8th, before going back into Capricorn. Allowing me to learn yet another big lesson (Sag!) before the real 8th house work begins.
Having learned the big lesson, I know now that I've got some big work to do (Saturn trining Persephone by transit, and I've just noticed, squaring it natally) to wean myself off needing constant reassurance from mothering figures. Big stuff.
Thanks Tom!
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Post by ana on Jul 7, 2008 8:50:49 GMT
It is really interesting how it pans out in different positions esp when no one had heard of it in astrology a while ago Ariesmoon having Actor there as well and how that is......... [my son has Actor in 7th conj Venus and guess what he does for a living? He can make you believe black is white on and off stage...] Tom Well changing careers....... not quite but I just lost a big commisison got via the internet and it is hard to find out what is going on there But it has not phased me And I HAVE started secretly to manifest [SAT] a secret career dream that I have had in mind for years but never get together I do not want to talk about it here as I have to manifest it this time not talk about it........ I am pretty cronish so it cannot wait any longer !!!!!!
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Post by tom on Jul 7, 2008 19:18:43 GMT
ana - right! saturn's in the 4th opposing persphone in the 10th: you're quietly developing a plan inside, and probably more reflective of who you are deep inside (4th house)!
as i experience persephone in pisces, it's surrendering that seems the foreign territory i could never do. if it's like that for you, maybe it's about surrendering in trust that your place in the world (10th house) can develop into something you want and that works for you on all levels. so that these days, with the saturn transit, you're doing inner work that will make what you'd prefer more apparent.
as i read your post, it seemed to me like oppositions to persephone might be really great opportunities for her to mature, given her reluctance to get on with things and the opposition's confrontative energy. perhaps persephone can in those times see in what ways she's trying to remain in a state of innocence, via the invitation to change from the planet opposing her.
so that with saturn opposing, one could see where hard work can contribute to change. with jupiter opposing, where faith & risk can do it. with pluto, how deepening the inner knowing and confronting fears can do it.
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Post by ana on Jul 8, 2008 11:31:36 GMT
Oh dear Tom The Persephone in me is baulking at the work involved........ but the fear of failure is not there More a need to manifest a lot of work for it's own sake Thanks for the inspiring observations I have been feeling like the deckchairs on my Titanic have been rearranging lately and I couldn't find anything but just lately it has felt like it is not going to sink after all............
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Post by queensirius on Nov 10, 2008 23:15:22 GMT
Myths and archetypes are living holograms that are alive within the matrix of Universal Mind. We all embody certain archetypes and live out their myths according to our own soul schism. I believe that we choose our archetypes and live out their myths because it is those particular archetypes that provide us with the most soul growth. Persephone is a strong archetype for me. In Greek mythology Persephone is the goddess of the Underworld. Her name means "she who destroys the light". Before she went back to her mother Demeter, Hades had given her pomegranate to eat. Thus Persephone would always be connected to the Underworld and had to stay there one-third of the year.
Persephone is the wisdom gained in the underworld phase of life. She gives a deep understanding of the mysteries of life (Ceres/Spring) and death (Persephone/Winter) and is connected to all painful rights of passage. She is the part of us that experience deep processes of spiritual growth and maturity through the death of something, a radical letting go, and comes into her own mastery as "queen of the underworld" through a complete acceptance of her new role and responsibility. Not only does she become a woman but she becomes a power figure. When Hades/Pluto is active the energy of transformation and deconstruction of the personality can be violent, tempestuous, and dark. What Persephone suffered though at the hands of Hades/Pluto forced her to step into a new, stronger and powerful role, the suffering was a necessary part of that rite to become deeply transformed.
I have Persephone and my Part-of-Fortune in an exact conjunction at 25 degrees Gemini in the 11th house. For me Persephone has manifested herself in my life as an archetype that gets "abducted" or "seduced" or "manipulated" by men that personify Hades/Pluto. In other words, dark, even sociopathic men. I have experienced the darker side of Persephone's myth... but my reward or gift (part-of-fortune) has been access to deep wisdom and spiritual resurrection.
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Post by rucognizant on Jan 22, 2010 4:32:19 GMT
Tom , I clicked on cosmicpath & couldn't find your name anywhere. As my persephone 21o2' Capricorn is applying to a conjunction with mars 22o22' in my 8th house, which is in mutual reception with saturn 23o22 aries, in the 11th, my romantic path has been rocky. I would like to know more.............
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Post by tom on Feb 14, 2010 21:04:53 GMT
hi rucognizant, yes, this post is from a while back. my current column appears on the cosmic path site on the writings page - though you have to click to find which are mine. i publish there monthly around the 1st of the month, all sorts of astrology & spirituality topics. re persephone, those articles were only available the month they were published. i have however just collected a number of those articles and added a handful more to make a book. it's called Living Myth: Exploring Archetypal Journeys, and if you're in the US, you can order it from me. it'll be up on amazon dot com soon. tdjacobs.com/store.html#lmbookpeace, tom
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Post by ana on Apr 5, 2010 16:05:08 GMT
Jupiter has crossed my Persephone in 10th and my editor has suddenly started putting in my artwork in the newspaper at a large size instead of the postage stamp imitations he tends to do [It cost more for them to put it in bigger] I guess it will stop when Jupiter gets out of orbit Now I know how to get noticed Be born with Jupiter in 10th.......next time around..............Well that did not last long After a month we are back to postage stamp size. I am thinking my mum must have had a really Persephone moment when I left UK for Australia known of course as Down Under................... and the man who brought me here she hated.
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