Composite Chiron in 7th house

[Amoroso]

I have wondered for a very long time what the composite 7th house means. And Chiron in the 7th. Conjunct Mercury. And in opposition to Venus/Pluto/Uranus in the first.

One source says that the 7th house of the composite and planets there shows the kind of relationships the relationship needs.

When I look at the composite 7th with my husband, the cusp is at 29 Aquarius. But the whole 7th house is in Neptune with Ceres there. I would say that the "feeling" of the relationship is summed up there, not so much what kind of people we need for the relationship to survive.

The 7th house cusp of the composite with my mom is Aries, intercepted by Taurus, with Mars in Taurus. I am at a loss for words, but that is certainly the feeling of the relationship with Mom, very Mars/Venus, initiative with each other, love sensual things, singing (we are both voice teachers, ) etc.

With my first Chiron return coming up, I am getting to experience first hand what this body actually means. But Chiron in composite seventh?

Thanks for any insights.

Love,
Amoroso

[Amoroso]

I realized upon re-reading my post that I was on babble mode and did not state a clear question.

How do others experience the 7th house energies of your composites?

Do you think the 7th house of a composite shows more the "feeling" of the relationship as a 7th house partnership, or is it more like some famous astrolgers have written, "the 7th house--or significant other--needs of the relationship?

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[blueorchids]

I love this question Amoroso. I looked at a bunch of composites today of those whoM I love the most and am the closest to. What's interesting is that in the composites--all 6 that I have looked at so far there are planets in the 7th. Having said that My two best friends, a sister and a childhood friend and my husband all have Gemini 7th house composites with me (with venus there). Doc and I share a three planet 7th house lineup in Aries with Libra rising.

As far as my composite with my husband we have a 4 planet stellium in gemini in the 6th house and venus in the 7th house also Gemini. My husband is a man with whom I have alot of common interests, movies, politics and sports. When we talk we do not talk intimately about ourselves but we connect on a billion other social/friendship levels. With my Gemini "best friends" we talk more intimately but we are also "chattering soulmates" meaning we could have coffee and never tire of laughing , talking and covering "the rest of the world."

My elder son and Doc both have an Aries 7th house with me in composite. While the realtionships are obviously different; both bring a very very active positve energy that is also edgy. There is also a physicality to the bonds which does not seem to exist with the Mercury gemini 7th house composite. The feel people get when they see my son and me is probably of intense energy, discussion and him draping himself around me. The energy I think Doc and I give off is just sort of intense all around. And while it is difficult to fully project what that couple energy would be fully realized , I suspect we would be more likely to suggest heat/friction rather than airy fluidity. He also stands extraodinarily close to me when we are together and this is not something my Gemin composite relationships communicate to the outside world. What people see is not that. There is an airy barrier there.

One of the parents at my daughters school last night commented to me that my husband and I seem to be the ultimate team, that we are always on the same page about the children and our goals and that we work very well together (6th hosue stellium again) . I think this is someone accurate and I think that is our 5 planets in Gemini (also he is a Gemini and I am a Gemin).

My marriage as reflected by the 7th Gemini with Venus there is one where we do not seem to need, want, desire or invite couples into our circle. By this I mean the relationship from a social standpoint seems to thrive rather well on its own. For example we do not socialize in a couple way. He has his one best guy friend and I have my girfriends. I find that interesting.

[tom]

hi amoroso - since the composite chart is the chart of the relationship itself, the third thing the two people make in coming together, i do use the 7th as relationships of the relationships.

though the planets there in my experience can describe something of the feel of the relationship, at least part of it. in my current relationship we have jupiter there. we're generous with others, and others are generous with us, so there's an enery of that floating around us. it's actually kind of goofy.
i took her to an opening at the museum this week and found myself feeling weird when she met my colleagues, to whom i show more personal saturn. so seeing me with her, they got another view on me.

[chrissymgreen]

Dear Amoroso,

I've been doing some correspondence work, and the astrologer I'm studying with with has given me some valuable insight into how composite charts work:


The composite chart is the map of midpoints between the individual people--where the two separate planetary energies blend into one. It is a map of the relationship itself, where the two Suns, two Moons, two Mercuries, et cetera meet and operate as an entity. The composite chart isn't personal the way a natal chart is. It has no individual consciousness behind it. Because this is the case, a composite chart has to be interpreted in a different way from a natal. Squares, for example, are not necessarily difficult in a composite. You can have a Venus/Saturn square in the composite, but the two individual Venuses can have perfectly good aspects between the two natal Saturns in the synastry. The square in the composite indicates a tension where the two planetary energies are connected. In the composite, it doesn't indicate the repression that can come in a synastry--it means that the Venusian energy in the relationship (which can be artistic, self-indulgent, pleasure seeking, loving, or all of the above, depending on the individual charts) has a developmental tension with the Saturn energy. The planet that is more 'outer' wins out. There is a steadfastness, with Saturn wanting to build something out of the Venusian desires. Because of the square aspect, the energies of the two planets become conscious. I find that mostly the hard aspects are significant in the composite, because the couple will be aware of them. Trines and sextiles are much less significant, because they don't make themselves known. They operate more like a soft hum going on in the background.

And she has taught me so much about Chiron, which is critical in synastry. It's also important in the natal of course (in my chart in particular, as I have it conjunct Mercury right on the DC opposed Uranus on AC). She says that it's a story, starting with Saturn...the limitations, restrictions and fears of Saturn cause the wound, Chiron is the location of the wound, and the disconnect of Uranus is the result. This is why Chiron is so important; without it, we don't have a connection between the wound itself and the result.

She says Chiron is absolutely crucial in synastry, and it works a bit differently from the outer planets. In fact, it operates in a unique way. Considering the fact that we form relationships to become aware, to heal, and to grow more wise, Chiron can not be ignored. Chiron seems to operate outside the realm of ordinary reality, at the same time being anchored in it. If you have Venus square my Chiron for example, your Venus will cause me to feel my Chiron. The tug between your Venus values/desires and my Chiron insecurities/long term pain (and inability to tap into my higher focus) may cause disagreements. My Chiron issues may be altered by the relationship, and eventually help you to heal your Venus issues, but you won't feel my Chiron the way I do. It's a question of degree, and how prominent the chart placement is. You have to remember with Chiron, too, that it is a bridge for difficulties with the outer planets. Chiron is the negotiator between Saturn and the rest of the bullies. In synastries, in particular, Chiron tries to "save" the partner, sometimes even if the partner doesn't want to be saved. Chiron is so sensitive to the partner's spiritual task that it can ignore the partner's current reality. So the Chiron person gives and gives and gives some more, until eventually the Chiron person comes to some sort of wisdom that this relationship (no matter how seemingly unequal) brings.



I'm familiar with composite Chiron in the 7th because I have this in my composite with Gordon. Chiron is at 24 Aries conjunct the descendant opposed Uranus right on the ascendant in Libra (we both have Ur/AC + Ch/DC). I see the composite descendant as representing the 'urge to merge'. One thing to remember is that a planet there will be especially sensitive to transits. Say, for example, a couple has the composite Moon on the composite descendant. Very nice. But if transiting Saturn or Pluto comes to conjunct that point--both parties will feel it, and you have to look back to the position of both natal Moons to see where the reverberations will be.


The area where there is healing for both parties as a couple is composite Chiron, and with Chiron in the composite 7th the healing can be had through developing awareness of others together.



Hope this helps.

[gemstar]

Great information chrissy!!! I have long agreed that Chiron is important to focus on with all charts...natal, synastry and composite. Finding great information on Chiron is always a plus! Thanks!

Hugs-
GemStar

[Amoroso]

Thanks for posting, Chirssy--that makes a lot of sense.

The astrologer with whom you are working seems to be very special!

Take care,
Amoroso