Adonis/Adonis in synastry

[aquariusrising2]

Hey, all:

Not sure on how to interpret this one. (still new at this) I'm looking at a synastry chart where his Adonis/Chiron conjunction in Aquarius in 4th house, is trine her Adonis in Libra in 8th house, with a 0 degree orb. Not sure if the trine holds up with asteroids, and how chiron would fit in. Would the trine aspect still be a "potent tie?"

Can anyone help on this one?

Thanks

A.R.

[chrissymgreen]

dear aquarius rising,

i don't know if this helps you or not, but i was recently having this discussion with a friend of mine who's incredibly knowledgable and very smart. she told me that the nature of aspects in synastry is often different than it is natally. specifically, she mentioned the trine.

basically, she said trines in synastry tend to act an awful lot like conjunctions, and not like trines would in a natal chart. in fact, it's rarely pointed out that aspects have a subtly different character and function in synastry than they do in natal astrology.

her personal take on it was this: when you have a strong trine in synastry, in particular involving sun, moon or venus in one of the charts, the result is a trine that is far more energized than a trine in a natal chart, because it's like a highly conductive pathway of the energies of *two* charts that feed into one another, very much as a conjunction would be in synastry as well. with double the energy, the more energized a trine is.

as far as the particular aspect configuration you mentioned, it seems of note that her adonis would trine his chiron. chiron's very deep and meaningful, and i would think her adonis trining his chiron-adonis business (particularly the chiron) would be important.

anyway, just some stuff i thought you'd be interested in!


sincerely,
chrissy

[aquariusrising2]

Hi Chrissy,

Thanks for the info. The trine working similar to a conjunction is interesting, and it does make sense to me that, in synastry, a strong trine would act as a highly conductive path of 2 energies. I never thought of it that way before.

As far as Chiron goes, I've always been a little unclear. I just got through reading the thread on Chiron, and still, I am not clear. I have always thought of Chiron as the "wounded healer" Chiron is in my 1st house and I couldn't completely make the whole wounded healer thing work for me. However, I like Kim's take on Chiron being more of a risk taker/teacher/healer, but still, I can't quite grasp the wole concept of Chiron. I've got a lot of images and ideas, but nothing really concrete.

Anyway, thanks for your help, I am always grateful for new insight!

A.R.

[Amoroso]

Hi A.R, Kim, et all,

A.R., your friend's Chrion/Adonis conjunction in fourth house Aquarius and your questions about Chiron got my attention. I have Chiron directly conjunct Eros in 4th house Aquarius!

Where Chiron releases energy in a chart is where your greatest weakness lies, but therein lies your greatest strengths. It depends on how you meet Life as to whether or not these weaknesses become strengths.

Kim wrote in her Dell article about Adonis: "spellbound love, sexual magnetism, the desire to arouse, please and fullfill the beloved. Potent tie." With Adonis conjunct Chiron your friend has a pretty hot combination. In fourth house Aquarius I would interpret that to mean that his sense of self-home-center, at the most fundamental core, needs a lot of freedom and is forward thinking. It adds an electrical buzz to the earthy Chiron and magnetic, shining Adonis qualities. If these energies aren't integrated over time, especially in relation to other natal chart aspects, they will manifest as illness "in the body," his "home." There is a thread somewhere on Chiron/Eros connections in the natal chart.

Your Adonis to Adonis contact might help him see his Adonis reflected in you, and if he is smart, he'll begin to absorb that energy for himself.

As I am writing, I am thinking about my own Adonis, which is conjunct my Mercury. When I speak to students or in front of groups, I have often been told I am "spellbinding." I have always totally ignored these comments because I didn't really think they were true.

For some reason, in "Chico's" eyes I slowly, over a year, saw this aspect reflected profoundly and beautifully. My Apollo/Mercury opposes his Vertex/Venus/Sappho conjunction.

Then I realized, also over the past year, that I do have the same effect on my husband, but he has so many planets in Aquarius that his reaction is ALWAYS to challange it, question it, and seperate emotionally as far as possible from it! Yet its one of the things that attracts him. My Adonis/Mercury trines his IC/Chiron conjunction! So I guess that acts as a conjunction. Very, very strong. But reflected back to me from a point of hidden woundness, rather than the playful, sensual position of "Chico's" Venus/Sappho.

My husband's Adonis opposes my Sun and is sesquisqaure to what I call my MC/Moon/Pandora/Uranus "stew of a stellum." I don't think I'll EVER get that one sorted out.

This stuff is amazing. I have to thank Kim again and again for providing a place to sort out these things!

Amoroso

[chrissymgreen]

hey there aquarius rising,

i didn't realize this when i first replied to your post, but i have a similar thing going on in my own relationship:

my partner's adonis/jupiter tight (1°) conjunction in leo in the 9th house trines my adonis/mercury/chiron/pallas conjunction in aries in the 6th house. our adonis' are trine exactly.

oh, amoroso, my adonis is opposite my partner's sun (5°). i just noticed this, thanks to you! how does that sun-adonis connection play out between you? (if you don't mind me asking, that is.)

i'm going to ruminate on this some and then i'll get back to you if i come up with anything helpful for you, AR.


sincerely,
chrissy

[aquariusrising2]

Hi Amoroso and Chrissy!

Thanks for your replies. Adonis, I am finding, is quite an amazing asteroid. There seems to be strong connections with Adonis and Chiron in all three of our posts. And they are all trine. My friend and I have other Adonis contacts as well, but, here is one I thought was interesting. In our composite chart, Adonis is conjunct the ascendant at 20 degrees of Sag. In the natal charts both of our Adonis' fall at 20 degrees, one in Libra and one in Aquarius. I thought that was fascinating. (not sure what it means, exactly) I feel like it certainly makes for a "potent tie." Do you guys have any Adonis connections with the composite Chiron or Adonis from your natals? And if so, how does that work in your relationships? (if that is not too personal a question)

Amoroso, you are right about the Chiron/Adonis conjunction being a "pretty hot combination" (at least it draws me in.) And he is "forward thinking". It is amazing how sometimes we find forgotten, or denied parts ourselves reflected by the eyes of another, as you mentioned with "Chico".

Chrissy, you said you have an exact trine as well. Can you tell me how that works for you guys? Do you feel it as kind of a "spellbound" deeply connected feeling?

Kim, if you read this post, I am curious as to what you think about Adonis touching Chiron, and if you see it quite a bit.

Thanks All!!

A.R.

[chrissymgreen]

dear aquarius rising,

so, i checked and i discovered a few interesting things.

natally, i have adonis at aries 4°. he has adonis at leo 4°. in the composite, our adonis is at gemini 4°, so each of our adonis' sextile the composite adonis exactly.

also, his natal moon at gemini 12° loosely conjuncts the composite adonis (so do my natal anteros at gem 10° & juno at gem 12°.)<br>
there's not really any solid connections (solid connections = tight aspects) between our adonis' and composite chiron, but get this: natally, my chiron is at aries 9° in the 6th house, conjunct my DC at aries 12°. natally his chiron is at taurus 9° in the 6th house, conjunct his DC at taurus 14°. SO, our composite chiron is aries 24° in the 6th house, conjunct the composite DC at aries 28°! that's not something i'd really noticed before.

anyways, getting back to adonis...it's easier for me to understand his chart with respect to adonis: as i mentioned before, his adonis at leo 4° conjuncts his jupiter at leo 3° in the 9th house. given that jupiter is in its natural house, i can see this aspect's importance in his demeanor. he's super sexy in a very sagittarian way. some leo qualities are apparent in him, too. i read somewhere that generosity is inherent to jupiter in leo, and this is true of him as well. money is no object. sometimes i get the impression that when he directs his gaze at something or someone he wants, there's no stopping him, and that makes me squirm a little, but i secretly like it.

for me, the interpretation is harder. i have: sun in pisces 28°, pallas aries 1°, adonis aries 4°, chiron aries 9°, mercury aries 11°, all in the 6th house. on top of that, i do have eros in aries 16° and amor in aries 25° in the 7th house. so i have to consider the contacts in sets to make any sense of it. my sun is conjunct my pallas by 3° and adonis by 6° (jeez, i never realized that before - my sun is conjunct adonis), and then my pallas, adonis, and chiron are conjunct. adonis, chiron and mercury are conjunct. BUT, another thing for me to consider is that my adonis, chiron, mercury and eros are all conjunct my DC in aries 12°. WHEW. i don't know what to make of this, quite frankly.

synastrically, what i can say is that his adonis (leo) trine mine (aries) compels me to stare at him. i like looking at him. i do feel seriously attracted, and though i can probably attribute this to a number of other things, this aspect certainly contributes. i'm definitely under his spell (god, that sounds so cheesy). maybe all that generosity and borderline grandiose impulsiveness (he has other things going on in his chart that do temper this quality in him, but it's there nonetheless, i can see it) i sense in him (from the jupiter/adonis thing he has going on) brings out all that aries i have, especially the adonis since it's exact. hence, i'm spellbound by him. in addition, the other bodies involved probably bring out different responses in me - pallas just doesn't know what to do with the attraction; she wants it to be all intellectual and full of integrity and honor (which would preclude the sexy stuff). i can see that, yes. chiron is sometimes pained maybe, but there's a real capacity for me to heal with this relationship. and there's an angle involved in this case, the DC, so i guess things could get pretty heavy. they kinda already are.

your guy's adonis/chiron is in his 4th house, right? so there's an angle involved as well...there's a real possibility of some serious action taking place (since the angle houses are cardinal ones). the 4th house is cancer's natural house, so issues of security and comfort are always involved somehow. in aquarius, there's that quality of forward-thinking like amoroso mentioned. is this helping any? i don't know, i'm not that good at synthesis on regular basis; i'm better at the technical details (there's my sun/pallas in the 6th house popping up). i rarely get the sense i'm seeing the whole picture, sometimes certain things click into place and other times it's something else that makes sense.

i did find this about the story of adonis from an on-line encyclopedia i like to use:

"Once Adonis was born, Aphrodite took him under her wing, seducing him with the help of Helene, her friend, and was entranced by his unearthly beauty. She gave him to Persephone to watch over, but Persephone was also amazed at his beauty and refused to give him back. The argument between the two goddesses was settled either by Zeus or Calliope, with Adonis spending four months with Aphrodite, four months with Persephone and four months of the years with whomever he chose. He always chose Aphrodite because Persephone was the cold, unfeeling goddess of the underworld.

He died at the tusks of a wild boar, sent by either Artemis or Artemis' lover, Ares, who was jealous of Adonis' beauty. Each drop of Adonis' blood turned into a blood-red anemone."

i really like that. it conveys the kind of response that is provoked when our natal or composite adonis' are touched and activated.



sincerely,
chrissy

[Kim Falconer]

These are some wonderful points about Adonis, Chiron and the nature of aspects by synastry. They ARE like permanent transits, yet it is good to underscore that added “oomph” of the other person. Because the trine is coming from another being, there is a more dynamic nature to the energy than a trine within a natal chart. Sometime those can be “locked up” and find little way to express. With synastry, you have a whole other person with that very elementally compatible touch going on! It can make things move in ways that natal trines can not.

Adonis is “spellbinding”. No doubt about it. It’s a real allure and because it doesn’t really have “transformation” at its core like Eros, there is an more blithe and carefree feeling to it…though the jealousy it evoked between Aphrodite and Persephone was vicious! You realise that the Boar who eventually killed Adonis, well that is Aphrodite’s animal! Sometimes we have to destroy the things that have that much “power over” us. (metaphorically or otherwise)

Both Aphrodite and Persephone went to great lengths to “keep” Adonis…it is an energy so rarefied that it can make us react with deep instincts—far from rational.

Interesting also is that in some versions of the myth, it was Eros who pricked his mother with one of his darts when he, she and Adonis were all on a picnic together. Eros caused her to “fall” for the beautiful youth…<br>
Mix that in with Chiron and you get all kinds of possibilities. Something certainly is awakened. Perhaps it touches on an old wound yet gives the courage and vitality to heal. Chiron makes it more serious, gives it a grounded purpose. Anything that activates Chiron gets us into our bodies, our mortality, our meaning and purpose…and where esteem and self-respect has been wounded, or bolstered! It gets us fit for the next adventure…Adonis just makes is all the more enthralling!

Great thread everyone!
Warmly,
Kim

[Amoroso]

Hi Chrissy et all,

Chrissy's question on how my husband's Adonis opposition my Sun "plays out" put me on another obsessive cosmic quest. I am really trying to learn to verbalize what Kim is teaching us.

My Sun is linked to my Venus through Sappho and there are a bunch of asteroids along the way, so it's probably more accurate to say that his Adonis is linked by opposition to all of that. I think my liking to "stare at him" is a relatively uncluttered affair, and the connection to the Sun (8th house Gemini), Sappho and Venus makes it romantic and fun. He's really, really handsome, and in college women threw themselves at him right and left. He's 49 now, but still looks like a cross between Mel Gibson and Kevin Costner and is an athlete. I think the connection to my Adonis is more complex, because of its conjunction to Mercury (my manner of communication is what mesmorizes him) and its opposition to his Saturn/Mars conjunction means that his attraction to me stimulates alot of shadow material and parental sorts of limitations and structure (Saturn) as well as action and energy. (Mars)

I think the position of Adonis in our composite chart is very sweet. Adonis is conjunct Ceres in 7th house Pisces and sextile the Moon. Perhaps this is one way we have managed to stay together for so long! In our progressed composite, Adonis is conjunct Neptune in the first house, but what's REALLY weird about this is the Neptune is at the eaxact same point in our progressed composite as it is with "Chico's" progressed composite.

With "Chico," My Adonis/Mercury is opposite his Venus/Sappho/Vertex and his Adonis is actually conjunct his Neptune/Eros conjunction and opposite my Sun mixture. Yes, he is incredibly handsome, too. The type that has women swivling in their chairs, spraining their neck muscles when he walks into a room. Our composite chart has Adonis at 8 Pisces in the 6th house, opposite the ASC and trine the moon. What did Kim just write about attracting the same types over and over?

I just thought of something. With both my husband and "Chico" I've always sorta made fun of their looks or called them on any pompous behavior based on their awareness of their looks.--they have both found that really attractive I guess!

There are more Adonis connections with both men, but one I find funny is that Chico's Adonis trines my Aphrodite!

Which reminds me, I have a basic question which I'll post on another thread.

Amoroso

[aquariusrising2]

Hi All:

Wow! I am really enjoying reading everyones posts!

Chrissy and Amoroso, you both mentioned you find youself just staring at your guys alot. I understand that! When I see him, (which isn't very often) I just seem to want to just look at him. Like I'm all "enthralled" or something. (it's just wierd ) Also, Chrissy mentioned adoration. Yep! What I glean from all these threads is immense adoration where Adonis is involved. A powerful feeling to be sure.

I get the feeling from Kim's post that Adonis needs ties from other planets/angles to have depth. That certainly makes sense. So, specifically, with Chiron/Adonis contacts, it almost seems as though, Adonis is the calling card for the healing/transformation to take place. I imagine it to be either a lovely blending of the two energies, or kind of a bait and switch, or both. Hmmm. Or, maybe sometimes, Chiron is healing Adonis' wound. Somehow Adonis was punished for his beauty, (something he had no control over, he was created that way) is Chiron pushing Adonis to embrace his own beauty? (Maybe I'm reaching a bit here.)

Anyhow, I am really learning alot about Adonis/Chiron etc. in synastry charts thanks to all your posts and in depth insights!

A.R.

[Amoroso]

Absolutely, yes, Cupido contacts both ways with both men, in my case. I actually wrote the same Cupido question on the "Three Graces" thread.

Good point!
Amoroso

[chrissymgreen]

oh yea, that hadn't occured to me, to check cupido. i do have cupid contacts with gordon: my cupid trines his sun ruler, moon ruler, mercury/mercury ruler, eros, juno and pan. it is also opposite his venus, uranus, psyche, and AC.

hmm, i vow to work harder like amoroso has with synthesizing some of this information...



sincerely,
chrissy