Eros Conjunct Amor

[BodaciousBabe]

How might one interpret his Eros conjunct my Amor in synastry? I think I have Gemini motor-mouth tonight Sorry for all the questions.

BodaciousBabe

[Kim Falconer]

Hi B.B.

I am pretty certain there was a thread on this contact earlier. What we need is a search function for posts on the forum. I will look into that.

Eros/Amor becomes quite complex for you two as his Eros is conjunct Neptune, opposite the Moon and T-square to Saturn. Your Amor is opposite the Sun, so the contact is not just about Eros/Amor. It triggers his T-square and the Sun/Moon synastry conjunction. It may be difficult to sift out what is Amor, what is Eros, what is Moon, Sun, Neptune etc.

Still, it is worth the effort.

1221 Amor takes 2.66 years to orbit the sun. In brief, it is love felt idealistically, romanticized in a pure and unconditional way, thought more than form. It is not necessarily sexual though its energy can be quite potent.

Amor is an indication of attraction (think amorous) yet sometimes it seems unrequited or “love from a distance.” There is something quite “pure” and “sir Lancelot” about Amor.

Certainty, this asteroid, this lesser god, has a role in the Synastry chart. The other contacts aside, Eros, the desire for erotic transformation, touches Amor and awakens the ability to love without judgment.

Amor may feel exquisitely passionate and willing to commit to an unconditional love that may or may not take form. Eros want the merging, the intensity, the risk the erotic passion. It can become obsession. It can feel like something one can not live without.

There are, of course, strong links to Amor and Eros, although Amor was not, in mythology, one of the 4 original deities. He did not “cause all things to mingle” in the sense of creating the world and being the force of the powers of attraction. Eros was one of these original gods, some say the oldest. Eros’s desire here has, perhaps, more power to manifest.

Eros does describe energy that arouses, sparks, incites and inflames us. It makes us feel the depths of OUR OWN capacity and desire to merge, create, and transform in the vessel of intimacy or creative passion. Often, not always, but often those intense and compulsive feelings are projected onto another person so that a mutual experience of passion ignites. Something in the other goes “click” and we are locked, for a time, in a kind of transformational obsession.

Amor, by contrast, symbolizes more the ideal nature of love, according to our taste, values and desires. It has a less compulsive feel, and less sexual…more spiritual and non-corporeal. Not that the two are mutually exclusive. Amor is the idealized vision; Eros is the process! Put the two together and oh boy! What a “fall”!

Eros is an experience where IT TAKES TWO, at least, to TANGO! The erotic transformation comes out of the intimate encounter with the mysterious OTHER, be that a person or the “muse”. There are at least two entities involved.

Amor is more a feeling that can be experience alone…a longing and musing and belief in the ideal other…a feeling of LOVE that doesn’t have to attach, merge, burn, melt and transform! Do you see the difference?

In the myth of Psyche and Eros, at first she loves the “idea” of him…but it is not EROTIC yet, because they are not yet connected. They aren’t really merging and transforming (even though they are having sex) because they have no idea who EACH OTHER are, they are caught in the ideal!

So, what happens?

She becomes very unhappy! She can’t stop crying! It is so disturbing (the non-connection…living just in the idea) that she has to betray him! That is what gets it all moving again, and brings them together in an Erotic way. The idea is beautiful, yet it is barren without the risk and danger and betrayal and intimacy of the erotic!

With Eros conjunct Amor, there is a significant waking up of not only the erotic process but also the ideal, the vision, the aspiration…the dream. I get the feeling you could experience both through a creative process! Certainly, questions will be asked…it is like Psyche in her dream castle with everything magical and there for her, but WHAT is missing? Who does she love? Can she look upon his face and know him? If not, what must she betray to stir things up, get things moving, seek the erotic?

Which one of you will instigate this processes, is anyone’s guess. Through the nature of projection, it could be either!

Amor relates to a kind of idealized vision of love, and unconditional energy with “no arm, no legs and no motives”. Do you get the feeling? Amor doesn’t need to have sex or create or merge. Amor can look at the sunset, think of the beloved and smile in the knowledge that life is good. It doesn’t need a specific response from the “other”. Just knowing they are alive suffices.
Conjunct Eros, there is going to be an added need (compulsion?) for a response—if not a sexual response, then one hell of a creative one.

Does this make sense?

Thanks again for your contributions here.

Warmly,
Kim

[Bodaciousbabe]

Thank you so much, Kim!

Bodaciousbabe

[chrissymgreen]

wow, you guys are great.

and bodacious babe, i seem to share some similar aspects with the man i'm dating that you share with the guy you've mentioned.

i looked up amor in both of our charts and i noticed that:
my amor is aries 25°/7th house
his amor is aries 11°/5th house

making his amor conjunct my eros by 5°, my mercury by less than 1°, my chiron by 2°.<br>
i don't know if amor is really important in his chart, though - he has no other planets or asteriods or points/angles in aries, and there's nothing in his 5th house besides one of the arabic parts, the part of desire & sex attraction. my amor seems more important than his, as it is conjunct my mercury by sign. it is also conjunct my descendant, and it's in the angular 7th house.

anyways, i don't know if these aspects really mean anything but i appreciate this thread! and now i know more about what amor means. danke, kim!



chrissy

[Kim Falconer]

Hi Chrissy,

In your man’s chart, I would look to see if his Amor was opposite any major planet or point (what does he have in say 5 to 15 Libra in the 11th house?). I would look to see if Amor made aspect to the 5th house ruler—check the sign on the 5th house cusp. If it is Aries, then Mars is the 5th house ruler, if it is Pisces, the Jupiter/Neptune are the 5th house rulers.

Amor may be quiescent for him, virtually un-aspected…but remember, there are THREE things that activate planets, asteroids and other points in the chart.

1. Time (in the form of transits and progressions)
2. Location (if we move, different planets “relocate” toward angels)
3. People (other people’s synastry planets act as “permanent transits”<br>
If you have something around 11 degrees of a Cardinal sign (Aries, Cancer, Libra or Capricorn) or even in the fire element or positive polarity, it is going to be (for him) like having his Amor transited every time you are around.

There is another connection to check.

Are you familiar with Draconic Charts? The Draco method is another way of interpreting the zodiac. Traditionally, here in the West, we use the Tropical Zodiac. 0 Aries is placed at the Vernal Equinox. In the DRACONIC chart, the Dragon’s Head (north node) is placed at 0 degrees Aries. The houses and planet aspects remain the same, but your North Node becomes 0 degrees Aries and all the other planets follow suit.

That mean his “Tropical Zodiac” Amor at 11 Aries is going to be conjunct any planet that is about 11 degrees ahead of the North Node.

Does this make sense?

Draco Charts are pretty amazing when compared to natal and synastry charts. I think they say something about the purpose and meaning of one’s life “behind” the personality, "behind" the relationship.

Here are some sites to investigate further:

www.mysticempowerment.com/draconic.htm

www.astrologycosmobiology.com.au/draconic_chart.html

www.owlsdottir.com/astrology/draconic_compatibility_charts.htm

Let us know if there are any Amor/Draco contacts!

Your Amor conjunct Eros seems significant to me, as does the link to Mercury/Chiron. I think it might give a refinement of speech, and a more idealized, gracious way of communicating the written or spoken word. Sometimes (?) Aries can be a little brash and directing when associated with Mercury, yet I think Amor softens this characteristic somewhat, makes it more romantic.

Thank you for your input here!

Warmly,
Kim

[chrissymgreen]

dear kim,

oh my, you're right. he has pluto in libra 15°. so that's opposite his amor by 4°. and aries is on his 5th house cusp, you're right, i didn't even think of checking this. his mars (scorpio 1°) and amor are 164° apart, which is a 1° quindecile according to ricki reeve's quindecile book. (mr. virgo has a lot of natal quindeciles, and so do i; we also share a number of quindeciles in synastry...sun-pluto, moon-moon, venus-jupiter. i bought this book because we both suffer from obsessive compulsive disorder and was interested in the topic. i'm still not sure on the exact meaning of a quindecile on synastry, though. the book says a quindecile in synastry indicates a relationship with obsessive tendencies. it says that a quindecile is half-way between the quincunx aspect, which is the aspect of searching, and an opposition, which is the aspect of balance.)

and, where i'm concerned, i do happen to have a few things around 11° cardinal:
mercury - aries 11°<br>uranus - libra 12°<br>chiron - aries 9°<br>
so i do kind of activate his amor when i'm around...cool.

also, speaking of relocation - about 2 months ago he got a 3 month internship in germany. he'll be back in january after his internship is over in december - would this affect him astrologically after he got back or would he only be affected while he's over there? that's interesting; i never thought of that.

i missed this particular connection that you mentioned; my mercury aries 11°, chiron aries 9°, eros aries 16°, amor aries 25°. so there is indeed a mercury/chiron connection, and an eros/amor connection (though they are like 9° apart). the way that i experience my mercury in aries is that my mind races constantly - i can be very much the ADD girl. also, my mercury is in exact opposition to my uranus (by less than a degree - i have a number of major aspects like this) so i tend to be an original, sometimes unstable communicator. i have sudden uranian flashes of insight. and with my mercury in the 6th house i feel virgo's solid influence to some extent, too. so...i always thought my refined style had to do with my libra ascendant. i think that amor, even though it is not conjunct my mercury by orb (though it IS in the same sign), must add another shade to my mercury. i do think i have a touch more refinement than your typical mercury aries.

all this asteroid talk, especially about amor, has started me thinking about my response to mr. virgo, which can at times feel VERY much like an amor connection. he must stimulate or activate my amor very intensely (at least that's what it feels like). i liken amor's energy to an elementally airy response, to an extent at least, because it doesn't need anything back from the partner. it's unconditional airy love, maybe like a libra combined with aquarius thing. am i right? i feel this way from time to time with mr. virgo. the only way i can begin to describe it is that occasionally, when i am in his presence, and i look at him looking back at me, i feel full, and i just know that if i could see my face, i'd see that i'm smiling wider than i ever have before. i don't feel intense need at these times; i just am full with the knowledge that i can't remember ever looking at someone so beautiful.

ok, i'm getting schmaltzy here (my uranus conjunct AC finds this very distasteful) and so i must stop.

kim, i have heard of draconian charts but i did not know what they were! they sound fascinating. i've been working on these different things (like a listing of aspects i share with mr. virgo; next i was going to compare our natals to the composite and come up with a relationship composite for each of us; after that i was going to move on to progressions; i also wanted to look more closely at all the asteroids) so now i want to add that to my list of things to try out - thanks! i'll let ya know what i find.




sincerely,
chrissy

[chrissymgreen]

ok. i started checking out my/his draconic charts. i just looked at sun through mars but what i found is interesting...

importantly:
• his draconic sun is pisces 25° conjunct my sun by 3°<br>• his draconic moon is sagittarius 8° conjunct: my jupiter by 2°, my neptune by 5°, my moon by sign
• his draconic mars is aries 27° conjunct my amor by 2°<br>(and my mercury, chiron & eros by sign)

(i honestly don't know what any of this really means, except that his draconic sun conjunct my natal tropical sun must be good - perhaps he feels i can really teach him something. and his draconic moon conjunct mine by sign in sag must be pretty important, too. this is all very interesting.)

less importantly:
• his draconic mercury is pisces 18° (my sun is pisces 28°)<br>• his draconic venus is taurus 8° (my saturn is taurus 18°)<br>
my draconic sun is aquarius 21°. this makes perfect sense to me...i have always identified strongly with all of my aquarian influences (uranus conj AC; venus, NN, & sun/moon midpoint in aqua; merc opp uranus; AC in libra ruled by venus which is in aqua; venus trine uranus; a venus-uranus mutual reception).

my draconic moon is scorpio 20°. his AC is scorpio 27°, venus 12° scorpio, mars 1° scorpio, and uranus 13°.<br>my draconic mars is scorpio 27°.<br>
my draconic mercury is pisces 4°.<br>my draconic venus is aries 11°.<br>

that's all i got for now, folks. i'll be doing more research later...




sincerely,
chrissy

[Kim Falconer]

Hi Chrissy,

Relocation charts or Astro*Carto*Graphy (the mapping of the natal chart over a country or region to see how planets change houses and angles shift) is “in effect” while we are in the new or different place. If you never leave the home town, your natal chart does not relocate. If you move to another place, while you are there, the shift in houses and angles (Arabic Pars and vertex) is in effect while you are there.

Think of the new place like a set of “transits” for while you are there.

Make sense?

Your description of Amor and the feeling of idealized love is very accurate, and beautiful. Thank you. I wonder how 80 Sappho links up between you two.

Isn’t the Drayco system fascinating? To understand meaning, you have to think again of each other a permanent transits. Being around you is like having his Draco Sun stimulated by your unique individuality, all the time. I suspect he feels that you really “get” him…not just the “social” him, but the mystical, soulful “him” as well.

Thanks for your comments and input!
Warmly,
Kim

[chrissymgreen]

dear kim,

that does make sense on the relocation thing. i wonder what his placements are over there; i'll haveta look that up.

i did check sappho. mine is virgo 6° in the 11th house, interesting, since his sun/moon/saturn are virgo. his is libra 17° in the 11th house, conjunct my ascendant at libra 12°. it's interesting mine's in virgo (who knew i had so much virgo going on for me? what with sun and mercury in the 6th house, pluto & lilith there, and apparently sappho, too). that his is in libra is kind of neat, too, since that's my ascendant, and it actually is conjunct.

what does she mean?

lunarscorp,

i'd imagine that the orbs are much the same as in synastry? i dont know, though, im not an expert. i usually say for conj & opp about 8 to 10°, for trines, sex, and squares about 5 to maybe 6° (occasionally there might be an exception, you know, with luminaries and all, plus if the signs involved are very important to the individual), and for anything else nothing more than 3. sometimes less. i dont know if kim would agree with that...but hope that helps ya.



-chrissy

[Kim Falconer]

Hi Chrissy,

Yes, I do agree with the orbs you suggest for Draconic charts. I would go up a bit on the squares, up to 10 degrees. “if it acts like it is in aspect…then it is in aspect!” Observation and flexibility are key.

When looking at Draco to Natal CONJUNCTIONS for the same person, I would keep it VERY tight though. 1 degree or 2 would carry the most weight. (Think like progressions here).

Lunarscorp. That is very interesting about relocation. I have had some dramatic and incredibly literal experiences with relocation charts myself. Facinating!

Chrissy. Did you mean what does Sappho mean?

Here is a little Excerpt to get you started with asteroid 80 Sappho:

Sappho embodies an extreme sense of poetic appetite and sensual expression. She is a tactile, lushes, indulgent and heady energy that may express through song, music, fine dinning, lyrics, play, sensual massage, aroma therapy, pleasure and naturally, sex. Aspirations augment, as do creative drive and vitality! The view of the world can become extraordinary, intoxicating.

Sappho contacts to natal planets can add artistic, poetic and creative articulation of burning physical desire. Have you ever read Sappho? My world, she expressed exquisite passion! She is laced with extreme sensuality, rapture and romanticism. Sappho softens, refines and turns the natal contact to poetry, lyrics and the muses for expression. She can make desires extremely sexual. What is felt MUST be expressed!

Both Sappho can be extraordinarily sexual in nature. Super charged sex! When awakened, she demands the awareness of a tangible desire (or two or three!). The house position may indicate strongly where that desire lies and what activities will honor it. Whatever the situation, this asteroid brings a refined poetic longing to natural expression.

Would anyone care to add to this description of Saphho?

Warmly,
Kim

[chrissymgreen]

dear kim,

actually, i havent read any sappho! but ill check her out.

and yep, i was asking what sappho might mean. so i did notice that his sappho and my sappho are both in the 11th house. this kind of makes sense to me - i mean, i have this vision of a friendship embued with all of those sensual things she represents (it's almost a little taurean, isnt it?). and his sappho conjuncts his pluto (2°) in libra and so does mine in virgo, but it's not in orb (and my sappho's in the 11th and pluto's in the 12th).

i think it's so weird that he has the mercury/eros conjunction in virgo and i have mercury/eros in aries, and then he has sappho-pluto in libra and i have sappho-pluto in virgo.

a natal sappho-pluto conjunction in libra located in the 11th house - how might that play out? im a little confused about the combination of pluto and sappho, and if it's even all that important.

i guess that it is also good that my sappho is in virgo, which touches a lot of his personal planets, and his is in libra, which touches my ascendant.


sincerely,
chrissy

[Kim Falconer]

Hello Chrissy,

You asked:

[glow=red,2,300]a natal sappho-pluto conjunction in libra located in the 11th house - how might that play out? im a little confused about the combination of pluto and sappho, and if it's even all that important.
[/glow]
I feel it is important, if the orb is tight. How many degrees apart are Sappho and Pluto?

If they are quite close, I believe that, like all conjunctions, “doing” one will evoke the other. Conjunctions combine energy in such a way that it can be difficult to distinguish one from the other. Your Pluto may have a poetic side, your Sappho may seem richly potent with compelling desires.

Anything that touches Pluto in our charts takes us down into the depths of the unconscious with all its catacombs, demons and treasures alike. This combination may mean that artistic appreciation and sensitivity, romantic notions, sexual attraction and longings have an extreme (Pluto) quality that awakens unconscious material.

Can you see how this might work? What is your experience?

Warmly,
Kim

[chrissymgreen]

dear kim,

oh...i see. i mean, this makes sense. i should have understood that instinctively (about pluto contacts) - pluto is important in my chart because my sun is almost exactly opposite my pluto and my moon is almost exactly square my pluto.

as it turns out, my sappho and pluto are both in virgo, but they are not close in orb.

however, mr. virgo's sappho and pluto are both in libra in the 11th house 2° apart. so that's a pretty close conjunction. and the description you gave - "...artistic appreciation and sensitivity, romantic notions, sexual attraction and longings have an extreme (Pluto) quality that awakens unconscious material..." - seems to fit him to a t. pluto is a very important planet in his chart - scorp is his rising sign; he has 3 planets in scorp; its a singleton; its involved in a mutual reception with venus. so its contact with sappho seems extra potent, in a way.

thanks again!




chrissy

[Kim Falconer]

Hi Chrissy,

With Scorpio rising, Pluto does become his chart ruler making, as you said, Pluto quite significant in his chart.

The mutual reception with Venus is interesting. It links Sappho to Venus as well making relationships more an outlet for the Pluto/Sappho energy.

I suspect is gives him some added charisma too.

Yes?

Warm wishes,
Kim

[chrissymgreen]

dear kim,

oh my lord, yes. he oozes charisma, though of course, i am biased. i do think plenty of other people would agree, however.

the sweetest thing thing is that even though he's yummy, he doesn't act like he knows it. he pretends he doesn't know how incredibly charming he is. i do suspect his virgo sun/10th house and virgo mercury/10th house adds shyness and reserve, and his gemini moon (god, i love that gemini energy) adds playfulness, so he's not TOO intense to be around.


thank you!


chrissy