Asteroid 93 Minerva

[Amoroso]

Hi ScorpyMoon,

Whoa, this is really interesting. I checked transits to my chart the day my dad died suddenly a year and a half ago and couldn't believe my eyes. Saturn was directly transiting my natal Minerva in Cancer.

I also checked my dad's chart and there was an enormous stellum of major planets and major asteroids in the eighth house. He was a very 8th house person anyway, so I hope his transition was natural and easy.

Sometimes our gifts of analyzing a situation make us seem "cold" to other people, but those of us who also do it know that you are just trying to find larger meaning behind the surface of things. This ability does mask an intense feeling nature, usually. It's not even that we want things to make "sense." They just need to have "meaning."

Blessings on you and your dad,
Amoroso

[Kim Falconer]

Hi ScorpyMoon and Amoroso,

It has taken me a while to get to this post. I guess I just didn’t want to look at my Dad’s “Death Chart” for too long. It was four years ago and I still can’t find much “distance”….it’s hard for me to approach it analytically.

I find the comments about Minerva interesting. I haven’t researched this at all, so I can’t really say anything outside of my personal experience.

My Minerva is 28 Pisces 44’ and my father’s death was December 7th (yes, D-Day) 2000. Saturn was at 26 Taurus making the sextile to my Minerva and just one degree past my MC/Phaethon. Of course, that is quite close to the fixed star Caput Algol (Medusa’s head) at 25 Taurus making my MC a place of “death” all on it’s own.

I am not clear on the link between Minerva and Death of the father. Minerva (Pallas Athene) lost her mother and was her father’s (Zeus) favourite child. From TreeHouse Mountain:

MINERVA: Broad perceptual skills; strategies to deal with situations and people; “calculations” (whether dealing with math or public relations); figuring things & people out. [See also Pallas Athena]

Minerva was another name for Pallas Athene—<br>

“Minerva, the goddess of wisdom, was the daughter of Jupiter. She, they say, sprang forth from his brain full grown and clad in complete armor. She presided over the useful and ornamental arts, both those of men, such as agriculture and navigation, and those of women, spinning, weaving, and needle-work. She
was also a warlike divinity; but a lover of defensive war only. She had no sympathy with Mars's savage love of violence and bloodshed. Athens was her chosen seat, her own city, awarded to her as the prize of a contest with Neptune, who also aspired to it.”<br>

Does anyone else have some input here. BB, your comments on finding meaning is the story of my life!

It may be helpful to "prepare for death" with the upcoming Saturn transit to your Minerva, ScorpyMoon, though I wouldn't say that is the only possible outcome or even a likely outcome.

We will all be keeping vigil on this.
Kim

[Kim Falconer]

Hey ScorpyMoon,

That is intense about the Willy Wagtail! :-/Interesting also that you “set him free”. If you had a dream that the Wagtail was trapped in your kitchen and you had to let him out…what would you make of it?

I guess we all have to prepare for the death of our parents, no matter what…can you tell me the exact sentence from Martha’s book, the exact quote?

Thanks,
Kim

[svenskasfinx]

Kim, Scorpymoon, Amoroso;

this is an intense topic; being as I have never really known my own father I feel so much sympathy for the idea of Minvera..

It made me very sad for you, but also made me remember that when one person told me that they wanted to live forever, how I got kind of upset with that, for we and our lives also have a time to die, and the hardest part we have is saying good bye to those we love when it is their time; not that everyone goes at the time WE feel is correct...

I think I learned that early on, there has been so much death, and of people who I felt was not their time to go, so I understand the love you feel must make you hold harder to that idea...

I hope that everything is at its best.

In a lot of countries a bird flying into your house is a messenger of death in the family... and its a very frightening thing to happen anyway, because you can imagine the panic of a bird caught in a place.

Take care, best wishes

Svenskasfinx

[Kim Falconer]

I do get that feeling of it all being very “dream-like” …that Wagtail trapped in the kitchen. I recall a water dragon (size of a large cat and the look of something from the Palaeozoic era for those unfamiliar) climbing wildly up my crockery trying to get out of the kitchen once. It’s not a creature you want to approach un-gloved! I recall it like a vivid dream.

And thank you for the exact quote. There is no misinterpreting that author’s statement!

Kim

[Amoroso]

Dear ScorpyMoon,

I think there is something to the "death of the father-daughter" relationship as well as possible physical death of the father. Three months before Dad died I made an art quilt about 8 inches by 12 inches that shows a snake coming out of a hole. I thought it symbolized my own emerging feminine.

Dad was pretty maverick, though. He tried to understand my point of view, but I think fathers in generations past think they've failed as fathers unless they are spouting advice and their daughters are taking it. It is their only frame of reference for being a parent. It takes someone pretty amazing to "change" with their children.

As a parent I am made aware of this daily. It is painful for the parent and many times requires a "death" for them, too. I think sometimes it's easier to dig one's heels in and stay the same.

Off to other threads!

Blessings,
Amoroso

[Scorpymoon]

Amoroso said:

Dad was pretty maverick, though. He tried to understand my point of view, but I think fathers in generations past think they've failed as fathers unless they are spouting advice and their daughters are taking it. It is their only frame of reference for being a parent. It takes someone pretty amazing to "change" with their children.

Big difference with my father though, he treats everyone like this. He's got no family or friends left because of his condescending ways. His last girlfriend left him for this reason and he wanted to get her back just once so he could mess with her head. (I think he has a deep seated hatred of women, he used to bash them, now he just mentally abuses them, it seems)

With him it's more of a fear based control thing. It's like if he goes around convincing people that they are somehow lesser beings than him and manages to control them by appointing himself their spiritual saviour, he doesn't have to face his own stuff. It's quite sad really.